Vote on Adopting "No Thread-crapping, etc" Rule (A Mod Sponsored Community Poll)

[cybrsage]

Rape is not clearly defined on this forum. Which law's jurisdiction are we going to be referring to? Moreover, maybe he's not talking of a legal definition, but a cultural one.

It is well understood that rape involves sex...everyone knows rape is a sex based crime. No sex, no rape. If you try to force sex onto someone and fail, you are not charged with rape - you are charged with attempted rape.

Seriously, do you think anyone does not know rape requires sex? Even the standard (non-legal) dictionary requires sex to have happened.


EDIT: I have realized this is getting sorta off topic, altough that is an interesting point...is it? It is a discussion about something which is a troll thread...in a thread discussing trolling...hmmm

 

[Idontcare]

Yeah, just like the poll to keep the garage separated from ot....oh yeah, that didn't happen....

I have no idea what you are referring to. Can you expand on this?

Putting time limits and expiration dates on forum policies is not without precedence, it has been done before and it worked out just fine.

 

[KK]

I have no idea what you are referring to. Can you expand on this?

Putting time limits and expiration dates on forum policies is not without precedence, it has been done before and it worked out just fine.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=47456

That was the thread talking about it.

 

[Idontcare]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=47456

That was the thread talking about it.

Uh, that was like 5 yrs ago and the ball was dropped at the hands of a forum director who isn't even here anymore...

In VC&G the moderators did exactly as they said they would do.

See here, the end of the OP here, and then here.

That is an example which is more recent and involved moderators who are still on active duty here.

If you want to hold current moderators at fault for the failings or dropped balls of past moderators then you can do that, doesn't make much sense to me though.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I did vote "NO", a political forum without misinformation/logical fallacies? Surely impossible!

 

[OCGuy]

Not even close. More judgement-call rules are not what is needed. Having a mod decide what is misinformation in politics is ludicrous, and easily abused.

The best change this forum could see is policing the thread titles. They should only be allowed to read what the headline does. It is a common rule in political forums.

 

[Patranus]

"derail" is such a subjective term as in politics the conversation can naturally evolve.

 

[JEDIYoda]

"derail" is such a subjective term as in politics the conversation can naturally evolve.

Not really....Take a recent thread title...
Would Israel l attack Iran without the approval of the US?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2224689

Just read the thread starting at the beginning?

It gets off topic almost immediately......subjective hardly...

Derail is hardly a subjective term......
Once a thread gets off topic IMO it should be locked and the person who purposely took it off topic needs to be reprimanded with escalating punishment....dome peopel purposely post stuff that has nothing to do with the thread...derail not subjective at all!

 

[shortylickens]

As an example: The new 2nd amendment thread going on right now is prime for an immediate lock by the mods. Its obviously an attempt at hardcore trolling and will not lead anywhere intelligent.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As an example: The new 2nd amendment thread going on right now is prime for an immediate lock by the mods. Its obviously an attempt at hardcore trolling and will not lead anywhere intelligent.

Unless the person making the call agrees, then it's not a troll. I wouldn't want to make those calls and I was as objective as anyone.

 

[dmcowen674]

I went ahead and voted yes if it helps prevent and/or stop stalking, personal attacks and harassment such as what Londo Jowo is currently doing and Doppel was doing before him and others before Doppel.

They take turns, probably even coordinated.

If the side affect is less thread crapping then great.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I went ahead and voted yes if it helps prevent and/or stop stalking, personal attacks and harassment such as what Londo Jowo is currently doing and Doppel was doing before him and others before Doppel.

They take turns, probably even coordinated.

If the side affect is less thread crapping then great.

Re-ban this individual and half of the issues would go away. Also, locking/moving threads that don't belong in the forum, troll threads made by trolls that have since been banned, threads with no commentary in the OP and threads that are just false with no links/facts to back-up cause 90% of the thread crapping.

As long as you allow this crap to be posted here, I don't see why you would monitor what anyone posts in these threads.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
I went ahead and voted yes if it helps prevent and/or stop stalking, personal attacks and harassment such as what Londo Jowo is currently doing and Doppel was doing before him and others before Doppel.

They take turns, probably even coordinated.

If the side affect is less thread crapping then great.

Re-ban this individual and half of the issues would go away. Also, locking/moving threads that don't belong in the forum, troll threads made by trolls that have since been banned, threads with no commentary in the OP and threads that are just false with no links/facts to back-up cause 90% of the thread crapping.

As long as you allow this crap to be posted here, I don't see why you would monitor what anyone posts in these threads.

Speaking of taking turns, look who posts right after I mention Londo and Doppel. The first one to take turns before Doppel and now Jondo doing the exact same MO. How many accounts do you log on with?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Dave, please do us all a favor and stop the incessant whining.

 

[zsdersw]

I'd like to see obviously-Republican/conservative people create threads when there's something wrong done by a Republican/conservative politician.

I'd like to see obviously-Democratic/liberal people create threads when there's something wrong done by a Democrat/liberal politician.

It's not likely to occur, however. There's simply no will to criticize one's own "team".

 

[sm625]

Thread crapping and trolling should not be allowed. But you should be able to call someone an uninformed obama minion if they are acting like one.

 

[Infohawk]

It seems like some people are assuming this rule will be applied in an extreme matter so that if you use a word that's not in the OP you will be permabanned. Remember a complaint is what usually triggers a review. In many cases nobody would complain.

 

[dmcowen674]

It seems like some people are assuming this rule will be applied in an extreme matter so that if you use a word that's not in the OP you will be permabanned. Remember a complaint is what usually triggers a review. In many cases nobody would complain.

Yes, when is this thing going into effect?

There are a few that wreck the place a need the "ban hammer" pronto.

 

[Bowfinger]

It seems like some people are assuming this rule will be applied in an extreme matter so that if you use a word that's not in the OP you will be permabanned. Remember a complaint is what usually triggers a review. In many cases nobody would complain.

I agree, in many cases... As you can see, however, there are certain people -- on both the left and the right -- who don't recognize their role as guests but feel entitled to run the place, who will inundate the mods with complaints about anything they find personally offensive, or even merely dislike. That remains my concern, that these squeaky wheels through the sheer volume of their complaints will effectively suppress discussion.

I think we all know such people in real life. They make work (or school) hell for those around them, provoking chaos, intentionally and often maliciously disruptive to others while skating by personally unscathed, just inside the line. They'll whine incessantly, nitpicking rules and splitting semantics hairs to insist others are breaking the rules while they are purportedly squeaky clean themselves (even while trampling all over the spirit of the rules). My concern is the mods will be overwhelmed by this, either capitulating to quell the noise or getting burned out from the constant battles and giving up in disgust.

We'll see how it goes.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I'd like to see obviously-Republican/conservative people create threads when there's something wrong done by a Republican/conservative politician.

I'd like to see obviously-Democratic/liberal people create threads when there's something wrong done by a Democrat/liberal politician.

It's not likely to occur, however. There's simply no will to criticize one's own "team".

Agree 100% Although I have seen a few exceptions in the past. They were very few though.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Absolutely not as things stand.

Before you consider such an action there will need to be a rule about provocation and trolling on the part of the OP?

You will need to ban most religion threads. Then you will have to do away with insulting thread premises. Allowing people to troll and then punishing them when they get called on it?

Bad idea, at least as things are permitted now.

Besides this is a political forum, not a technical one. These are emotional topics as well as rational and in the history of political discourse it is always been so and should be. The subjects discussed can markedly change how we are required to live and not something like video cards which can be talked about in terms of specs and we all know how even that can be difficult to handle.

Will "Is God a Rapist" threads be allowed to exist? What objective standards will there be to prevent provocation?

Please eliminate the forum before you adopt this.

HERE! HERE! :thumbsup:

 

[EagleKeeper]

I agree, in many cases... As you can see, however, there are certain people -- on both the left and the right -- who don't recognize their role as guests but feel entitled to run the place, who will inundate the mods with complaints about anything they find personally offensive, or even merely dislike. That remains my concern, that these squeaky wheels through the sheer volume of their complaints will effectively suppress discussion.

I think we all know such people in real life. They make work (or school) hell for those around them, provoking chaos, intentionally and often maliciously disruptive to others while skating by personally unscathed, just inside the line. They'll whine incessantly, nitpicking rules and splitting semantics hairs to insist others are breaking the rules while they are purportedly squeaky clean themselves (even while trampling all over the spirit of the rules). My concern is the mods will be overwhelmed by this, either capitulating to quell the noise or getting burned out from the constant battles and giving up in disgust.

We'll see how it goes.

Reading my mind:thumbsup:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Speaking of taking turns, look who posts right after I mention Londo and Doppel. The first one to take turns before Doppel and now Jondo doing the exact same MO. How many accounts do you log on with?

I think the mods should check Doppel, Capt Caveman, and my IP addresses, if they aren't the same (which I know for a fact to be the case), you should be banned for at least 3 months for falsely accusing us of being the same person.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Speaking of taking turns, look who posts right after I mention Londo and Doppel. The first one to take turns before Doppel and now Jondo doing the exact same MO. How many accounts do you log on with?

I think the mods should check Doppel, Capt Caveman, and my IP addresses, if they aren't the same (which I know for a fact to be the case), you should be banned for at least 3 months for falsely accusing us of being the same person.

Whether you are one person or three, the MO of thread crapping, stalking, personal attacks and harassment remains the same.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Speaking of taking turns, look who posts right after I mention Londo and Doppel. The first one to take turns before Doppel and now Jondo doing the exact same MO. How many accounts do you log on with?



Whether you are one person or three, the MO of thread crapping, stalking, personal attacks and harassment remains the same.

1) Stop creating flame baiting threads or posts

2) Stop posting inaccurate statements

Until then people like myself will call you out.