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Vote on Adopting a "No Personal Attacks/Insults" Rule (Mod Sponsored Community Poll)

Should P&N Formally Adopt a "No Personal Attacks or Insults" Rule?

  • Yes

  • No


Results are only viewable after voting.

Idontcare

Elite Member
According to P&N community polling results, 36% of those who voted expressed a desire for moderators to prioritize the sanctioning "Insults, Personal Attacks, Flaming, Flamebaiting, and Inflammatory rhetoric".

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After conducting an Open Mic thread on the specific topic of insults, personal attacks, and flaming, we are now taking a vote on whether or not P&N is to adopt a "No Personal Attacks or Insults" posting guideline.​

If approved, the following Examples 1 and 2 would become sanctionable violations in P&N while Example 3 would still be allowed.

Example 1: This would become a posting violation in P&N
Poster XYZ said:
Poster ABC said:
I think Rick Santorum is awesome
You are a fucking idiot.
^ Directly attacking the poster, not the post.

Example 2: This would become a posting violation in P&N
Poster XYZ said:
Poster ABC said:
I think Rick Santorum is awesome
Only a fucking idiot would think that.
^ Indirectly attacking the poster, not the post.

Example 3: This would remain an acceptable post in P&N
Poster XYZ said:
Poster ABC said:
I think Rick Santorum is awesome
That's a fucking stupid position to take.
^ Directing the attack towards the position in the post, not attacking the poster.

Voting in this poll will be public and the poll will close in 7 days.

======= Expiration/Trial-Period =======

In the event that the posting rule is approved for adoption by the P&N community, the moderation team here recognizes this type of guideline is very much specific to the existing "community culture" and that this culture changes and evolves over time as the individual members themselves change their viewpoints over time plus the community ranks fluctuate with the addition of new members.

In the spirit of accommodating this reality, the moderators intend to make the guideline policy amendment, as proposed in the poll, to be in effect for a period of 3 months by having the policy expire 3 months from the date of its adoption.

After the 3 month trial-period we would have another community poll to determine if the community still wants to keep the policy or if the community's position had since changed in time based on the experience generated while the policy was in effect.

Think of it as a "try it before you buy" type opportunity.

Administrator Idontcare
 
Birthers/Truthers/conservatards deserve to be insulted. If the insulter can back up the claim of, "You're a fucking idiot," I don't see the problem with it.
Birthers/Truthers/conservatards can't back up a return claim so that falls under trolling.

Again, everything solved by proper argumentation.
 
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Birthers/Truthers/conservatards deserve to be insulted. If the insulter back up the claim of, "You're a fucking idiot," I don't see the problem with it.
Birthers/Truthers/conservatards can't back up a return claim so that falls under trolling.

Again, everything solved by proper argumentation.

I feel the same way about weak minded liberals who can't argue without having to insult some poor schlub. Ya, shooting fish in a barrel is real, proper fun......🙄
 
Before I vote on this, I wanna know what the mods will interpret as a "personal attack." For example, if a poster has made clearly established lies in a current thread, is it a "personal attack" to label him a liar in the same or another current thread? More generally, will the mods condone insults that are demonstrably true statements?
 
Before I vote on this, I wanna know what the mods will interpret as a "personal attack." For example, if a poster has made clearly established lies in a current thread, is it a "personal attack" to label him a liar in the same or another current thread? More generally, will the mods condone insults that are demonstrably true statements?
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Shira everything is in black and white just read what Idontcare posted.....there really are no gray areas.....for some people there may be gray areas. For the rest of us.....it`s a no brainer....
 
I feel the same way about weak minded liberals who can't argue without having to insult some poor schlub. Ya, shooting fish in a barrel is real, proper fun......🙄

You can't argue against some level of rationing of effort. I am not morally obligated to spend every waking hour of my life trying my hardest to lift the trash out of the gutter simply because I was born smarter than them. To be born with a blessing does not set up an infinite obligation towards those beneath you.

Triage is necessary. If can be reasonably determined that someone like pcgeek or matt0611 is never going to be at the level of Descartes or Hume (or anywhere close), why waste the effort to try to raise them?
 
Shira everything is in black and white just read what Idontcare posted.....there really are no gray areas.....for some people there may be gray areas. For the rest of us.....it`s a no brainer....

I've read the examples quite closely, and they don't come close to answering my question.

In my opinion, someone who thinks that "Santorum is awesome" isn't demonstrably an idiot based on that statment alone. So it's clear to me that "You're a fucking idiot" in response to such a post is way over the line.

But what if someone posts that he prays that the American economy goes into a deep depression, with thousands of people killing themselves in desperation, because that will guarantee that Obama will lose? Responding to THAT poster that he's "a fucking idiot" would be completely approriate and acceptable, in my opinion.

The examples don't cover this second case. So I want - no, DEMAND - that the status of such a case be clarified in advance, before people vote on this question.

I repeat, are insults that are demonstrably true "protected speech" under this proposed rule?
 
I repeat, are insults that are demonstrably true "protected speech" under this proposed rule?

Thats why you and cybersage don`t get along...you both are alike!!

Idontcare answered the question!! Just don`t read into it and you will be fine.

Also do you really think calling somebody a fucking idiot is appropriate even if its true???

Example # 3 applies to your question ........

Why do you feel you need to ever call somebody a fucking idiot??? Quit looking for the exception to the rules....sheese....
 
But what if someone posts that he prays that the American economy goes into a deep depression, with thousands of people killing themselves in desperation, because that will guarantee that Obama will lose? Responding to THAT poster that he's "a fucking idiot" would be completely approriate and acceptable, in my opinion.

Is that really going to accomplish anything? What are you getting out of it except lashing out at someone over the internet?
 
I am not for a "no personal insults" rule. Although posts that are nothing but an insult are generally a waste of space, they do show the poster's opinion.

If the poster follows up with why they feel the insult is warranted, then I feel even more strongly they should be allowed.

Michael
 
The only difference it will make if it passes is to make posters more subtle with insults.

Yes, I agree.

"Your post reminds me of those of a fucking idiot I often mocked."

That's clearly a comment on the post, and the label refers to a non-specific person. Or do the "everything is black-and-white" crowd think they can twist examples 1 and 2 to apply to this construction?
 
If one wants to try and create a grey area to protect themselves; they will have to accept that the depth of the grey area is subjective and not open for argument.

One can always attempt to find a way around the rules or bend them so you can step over the line and have an excuse for doing so.

When 95%+ of the people can figure out the guidelines; that indicates that the other 5% want to push the envelope to see how far they can go without getting slapped.
Then if they get slapped; they will whine about it.
 
If one wants to try and create a grey area to protect themselves; they will have to accept that the depth of the grey area is subjective and not open for argument.

One can always attempt to find a way around the rules or bend them so you can step over the line and have an excuse for doing so.

When 95%+ of the people can figure out the guidelines; that indicates that the other 5% want to push the envelope to see how far they can go without getting slapped.
Then if they get slapped; they will whine about it.

If the guideline is, "No personal insults addressed to a fellow ATPN poster who is the one being insulted, under any condition, ever," it's pretty clear what that means. But I don't agree with a rule this extreme.

What's still not so clear is if it's acceptable to insult/attack/what-have-you a third-party. Is it, for example, acceptable to hurl insults at Obama? Is it acceptable to hurl insults at an ATPN poster who has previously posted in the same thread if the insult is included in a post addressed to another, not-insulted poster?

A: C's posts are almost always either lies, evasions, distortions, and/or vapid.
B: Do you really expect anything different from a fucking imbecile?


D : Rick Santorum is a fucking imbecile.
 
If the guideline is, "No personal insults addressed to a fellow ATPN poster who is the one being insulted, under any condition, ever," it's pretty clear what that means. But I don't agree with a rule this extreme.

What's still not so clear is if it's acceptable to insult/attack/what-have-you a third-party. Is it, for example, acceptable to hurl insults at Obama? Is it acceptable to hurl insults at an ATPN poster who has previously posted in the same thread if the insult is included in a post addressed to another, not-insulted poster?

A: C's posts are almost always either lies, evasions, distortions, and/or vapid.
B: Do you really expect anything different from a fucking imbecile?


D : Rick Santorum is a fucking imbecile.

If adopted, the rule would only be extended to cover insults and personal attacks of registered anandtech forum members.

Insulting Obama would be fine, provided Obama does not become a registered member of the forum.

Attacking Obama's political policies and platform would be acceptable in all cases, regardless whether or not he is a member of ATF.

Administrator Idontcare
 
Thats why you and cybrsage don`t get along...you both are alike!!

Idontcare answered the question!! Just don`t read into it and you will be fine.

Also do you really think calling somebody a fucking idiot is appropriate even if its true???

Example # 3 applies to your question ........

Why do you feel you need to ever call somebody a fucking idiot??? Quit looking for the exception to the rules....sheese....

Hey hey, I posted this before you did...we both said the same thing. An insult, even if true, is no less an insult.
 
What are you, a 50th percentile who is too dim to recognize that there are differences in level of intellect?

Stupid people abound. Labeling them as such is just accurate reporting.

An insult, no matter how true it may be, is still an insult. This should be obvious to someone who claims to be as smart as you claim to be.

If insults are not allowed, then insulting someone is not allowed. Again, this should be obvious to someone who claims to be as smart as you claim to be.

So which part are you confused about? The part where an insult is an insult or the part where if insults are not allowed then insults are not allowed?
 
You can't argue against some level of rationing of effort. I am not morally obligated to spend every waking hour of my life trying my hardest to lift the trash out of the gutter simply because I was born smarter than them. To be born with a blessing does not set up an infinite obligation towards those beneath you.

Triage is necessary. If can be reasonably determined that someone like pcgeek or matt0611 is never going to be at the level of Descartes or Hume (or anywhere close), why waste the effort to try to raise them?

If that's how you feel about a poster, then why are you bothering to engage them in a conversation in the first place? It just adds too much noise to a thread. Some of the threads in P&N have 300 replies, 4 or 5 of which have content, and 295 of the rest of the posts are just people calling each other idiots without backing up any of their arguments.
 
If that's how you feel about a poster, then why are you bothering to engage them in a conversation in the first place? It just adds too much noise to a thread. Some of the threads in P&N have 300 replies, 4 or 5 of which have content, and 295 of the rest of the posts are just people calling each other idiots without backing up any of their arguments.

Only an idiot would waste time compiling such statistics. 😛
 
If that's how you feel about a poster, then why are you bothering to engage them in a conversation in the first place? It just adds too much noise to a thread. Some of the threads in P&N have 300 replies, 4 or 5 of which have content, and 295 of the rest of the posts are just people calling each other idiots without backing up any of their arguments.

Indeed. Too many threads turn into a back and forth Off Topic exchange of insults. It needs to be either removed from P&N or just nuke P&N and forbid the subject from being discussed altogether.
 
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