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Visual Studio 2012 RC

unless it spits pyramids out of its functions, not interrested 🙂 .. ie. metro can go shine somewhere dark.
 
How can I find out if my MSDN subscription will include a copy of 2012 when it is released? I get it through work, so am unsure. Does anyone know if there is a way to check short of calling ?
 
Bulldog13 said:
How can I find out if my MSDN subscription will include a copy of 2012 when it is released? I get it through work, so am unsure. Does anyone know if there is a way to check short of calling ?
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Go to MSDN, log in, and check the subscriber downloads page? If you get dev tools it will be included.
 
Bulldog13 said:
How can I find out if my MSDN subscription will include a copy of 2012 when it is released? I get it through work, so am unsure. Does anyone know if there is a way to check short of calling ?
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You can't have MSDN without getting Visual Studio with it. You don't buy Visual Studio anymore, you buy an MSDN license. The different types of MSDN determine which VS you get (Professional, Premium, Ultimate).

EDIT: All I meant to say was that if you have MSDN you'll automatically get VS2012 at whatever level your MSDN is (Pro, Premium, Ultimate). As long as it doesn't expire before VS2012 is officially RTM.
 
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LokutusofBorg said:
You can't have MSDN without getting Visual Studio with it. You don't buy Visual Studio anymore, you buy an MSDN license. The different types of MSDN determine which VS you get (Professional, Premium, Ultimate).
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You sure about that? MS VS 2010 Pro is $500, if you want MSDN with it, it's $1200, and that's a 12-month subscription, you'll need to renew it for $800 every year.
I don't get MSDN subscription at work, and if I were buying as an individual, I sure wouldn't pay extra $700-$800 per year for it:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...goryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...goryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true


On topic, I thought dark theme would add a bit of contrast and colour to break that monotony, but no, it's the same, just darker, I'd probably even prefer the light one. Apparently, there's some reg key to disable CAPS IN THE MENU. I really don't understand companies that make interface changes for the sake of changes, with no improvements in functionality (I'm talking just about UI) or usability.
 
iCyborg said:
You sure about that? MS VS 2010 Pro is $500, if you want MSDN with it, it's $1200, and that's a 12-month subscription, you'll need to renew it for $800 every year.
I don't get MSDN subscription at work, and if I were buying as an individual, I sure wouldn't pay extra $700-$800 per year for it:
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...goryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store...goryID.50804600/categoryID.50804700/list.true


On topic, I thought dark theme would add a bit of contrast and colour to break that monotony, but no, it's the same, just darker, I'd probably even prefer the light one. Apparently, there's some reg key to disable CAPS IN THE MENU. I really don't understand companies that make interface changes for the sake of changes, with no improvements in functionality (I'm talking just about UI) or usability.
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Yeah, but MSDN is utterly invaluable when you are developing on the Microsoft platform. It's unfortunate for individual developers. I remember when MSDN was free, the tools were relatively cheap, and Microsoft was the indie alternative to IBM, Sun, DEC, etc., whose tools were all pretty expensive. Now MS is the corporate platform, and while I give them credit for their past dedication to the Express editions of VS, nothing in their current plans indicates to me that they give a flying foghorn about independent developers.

I have access to the top level of MSDN as well as volume licenses for all the server software through work, and although I could use it for my own stuff, I have been using Eclipse and Ubuntu, just because I don't like where MS is headed. I don't like Metro, I don't like having to learn yet another framework in WRT, I don't like the design of VS2012, I don't like their strategy for what they're including. It's quite a switch for me, because I've always thought they had hands down the best tools in the business, by a wide margin. Compared to VS 2010 Eclipse is crude.
 
But what does some regular developer/company get with MSDN? The only valuable part from my perspective is MSDN library, and that's all available online. Access to various OS-es, office software and what not - of course there are some people who will need it, but I don't see it as a common case. In my previous job I had MSDN subscription and in the couple years I was there, I was never in a situation where I could use it. And it wasn't a small startup, it was ~1500 people enterprise software company that was itself a subsidiary of a large corporation.
 
We use the desktop OS versions for testing, QA and replicating customer bug reports. VMWare Workstation is very helpful for that. If you only test on your own developer install of Windows with all of the libraries pre-installed then you're skimping on QA.

We use the server OS versions (to a much lesser extent) for setting up test servers.

We aren't currently using Azure (Amazon's offerings are much more mature), but you get a limited amount of that.

We could possibly get by with buying OS versions and Visual Studio separately, but being able to download anything that Microsoft offers, whenever you find out you need it, has value to us. We've also used beta installs of products for testing, before they were offered to the general public.
 
DaveSimmons said:
Both themes seem hideous to me, but if you want the C/C++ 11 standards compiler you have no choice but to use it.
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Themes shouldn't really be the issue, both 2010 and 2012 support the ability to create your own theme if you dislike the colours that much.
 
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