You guys know how NT 4.0 feels right? It has a start menu and lots of similarities to 2000/XP but it just feels crusty. XP is starting to feel that way to me now. I hate when I have to work on a non Vista box anymore.
Well, good for you. But I don't open and close and open again my application all day, so faster launch doesn't really do much for me, and I have my XP box up 24/7 for the past half a year, can't remember the last time it crashed. If it's a software related issue, I just kill it with task manager. My hardware are proven and tested with XP so they work just fine. So I really don't know what you are talking about with the stability issue and how Vista can beat my system that never crashes.
sorry xp users,vista is a beast with 4gigs of ram,go buy some ram,there really really cheap now.
this is a big poll for all operating systems
asking which is the best.... xp pro wins over all others 3 to 1.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=135593
asking which is the best.... xp pro wins over all others 3 to 1.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=135593
That poll allows multiple votes and started over a year ago when vista was still going through growing pains.
The poll in this thread is relevant enough to prove the point, especially in a sea of "Vista ate my babies" posts - the people happy with vista are the silent majority.
Sorry that the poll didn't go as you expected.
the poll isn't as i expected because a lot of people here bought vista.
sorry vista wasn't as great as YOU expected, otherwise the last 20 topics in the operating systems forum wouldn't say, "vista did this, vista did that..."
also, im sure you've seen that xp support will continue into 2010, 8 years....
and that windows 7 is coming out, and that people are comparing vista to windows ME?
lol. I don't have to defend XP, look around the proof is in the pudding; why do you think a "downgrade" even exists?
Vista, Vista, and Vista.
XP runs on a crappy old laptop I use on my test bench. Everything else is Vista x64 and I'd never look back.
XP runs on a crappy old laptop I use on my test bench. Everything else is Vista x64 and I'd never look back.
Originally posted by: jaredpace
the poll isn't as i expected because a lot of people here bought vista.
sorry vista wasn't as great as YOU expected, otherwise the last 20 topics in the operating systems forum wouldn't say, "vista did this, vista did that..."
I had modest expectations, and it easily met those expectations and then some. Therefore, its clearly as great as *I* expected. As you've well pointed out, many other people don't feel the same way, but as your own poll also points out, those people are in the minority around here.
also, im sure you've seen that xp support will continue into 2010, 8 years....
and that windows 7 is coming out, and that people are comparing vista to windows ME?
lol. I don't have to defend XP, look around the proof is in the pudding; why do you think a "downgrade" even exists?
XP is still a good OS, and certainly has it's place even today. I continue to use it on several of my systems. Vista is better, but theres nothing wrong with XP, which runs better on much older hardware.
I'm well aware there's a lot of people that don't like Vista. I can't say I really care whether or not people like it, but it's irritating to see post after post with people who have some sort of irrational vendetta against an operating system, of all things.
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Originally posted by: jaredpace
the poll isn't as i expected because a lot of people here bought vista.
sorry vista wasn't as great as YOU expected, otherwise the last 20 topics in the operating systems forum wouldn't say, "vista did this, vista did that..."
also, im sure you've seen that xp support will continue into 2010, 8 years....
and that windows 7 is coming out, and that people are comparing vista to windows ME?
lol. I don't have to defend XP, look around the proof is in the pudding; why do you think a "downgrade" even exists?
As I have stated its not rocket science to get Vista working fine especially with a Vostro laptop where everything is already installed including some bloatware which is very easy to remove,so maybe you are doing something wrong .
Did I tell you my brother and sister plus a few friends are all using Vista just fine,so why can't you?
There's no 100% confirmation date on Windows 7,what makes you think it won't have any bugs?..Look at Microsoft track record with every OS.
Obviously you have posted this thread as another anti-vista thread(yet anothet 100000 thread) however it did not go your way.
Far as proof well my REAL experience says the opposite,Vista is working just fine,come back when you have installed 70 plus games,Starforce,TAGES,SecuROM drivers in XP and tell me if its still running great like Vista.
It is "expected" in 2009, and in the stores in 2010.
Vista is as dead as XP. But MS is going to stop sales of XP so it can flog Vista's rotting corpse for another couple of years and call it a success. Then conveniently Windows 7 will be released and you'll have to buy that too because your Vista will feel as obsolete as XP does now. Result: MS made a whole lot of $$$ on preloads as usual and you're left with the bugs... until the next upgrade cycle.
It's running better than Vista.
I suspect most people who hate on Vista haven't tried it and feed off the opinions of others, or have tried it but weren't willing to accept change and give it some time and instead went back to XP within a few days or a week claiming Vista was "slow", "buggy", and "harder to use". I've been using it for about 5 months now and I could never go back to XP and find it slightly painful to even use XP machines now. Aero is simply too good to give up, built-in indexed search in the Start menu is amazingly useful, Superfetch works wonders with plenty of memory available, UAC is a hugely important security step in the right direction even if it's a bit annoying at times, the new Explorer is WAY better than XP's (navigation pane, details pane), so much so that I find Explorer in XP very cumbersome now, and new features such as complete PC backup/restore and the features available on the disc (command prompt, bootup repair, etc.) add to it even more. I'm not sure how people disregard so many really great features.
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Yeah right,I expect to win the lottery in a few weeks time,you know the old saying" how long is a piece of string".
Actually I won't upgrade unless I need too,that's always been the case with me,XP replacement was long overdue.Windows 7 is still an unknown quantity on reliability etc only time will tell.I might just wait for Windows 8.
XP had a good run,personally I no longer have need for it.
You know thats not true,Microsoft have invested a lot of time and effort in Vista.
What kind of logic is this? Windows 7 is already dead as well because Windows 8 is surely behind it duh!
I would be willing to guess you are in the minority if you leave your applications open 24/7. Most people only keep an office app open when they are using it. I keep my PC on 24/7 as well but I never keep any of my apps open when I am not using them. I would guess that's pretty much the norm especially if a user games.
XP certainly is pretty stable, but in all honestly, Vista has been more stable for me. Or at least requiring fewer reboots over time. I have two PCs that I keep up 24/7. My main desktop and my media center. My Media center started out its life as XP MCE 2005 and ran that OS for two years. While the system rarely crashed or blue screened I found that I needed to reboot it on a weekly basis or weird things would start to happen. Under Vista I no longer have to do that. I only reboot it due to power failures or if a patch specifically calls for it.
My Desktop rarely crashed under XP as well. But I found that after working and gaming on it for about 3 days I would need to reboot or some of the games I play on it performed very badly. Under XP It has not been an issue at all. The need to reboot has been mostly limited to patches. I now go for weeks between reboots. I never was able to do that under XP.
Stability is more than not crashing. Vista, in my experience, has just provided better day to day stability while maintaining XP's pretty good record of not crashing.
When you say "support" are you referring to selling XP or tech support? If you are talking about selling, the current plan is to stop selling it in June with the exception of the super cheap laptops starting to come out.
For tech support, MS has has the same policy in place since 2002. XP will have mainstream support for several more years (5 at a minimum) and then extended support for an addition 5 years after that. It's standard MS support practices.
The fact that MS is eventually going to replace it's current OS 3+ years after it's retail release proves what exactly? XP was the exception of time between releases, not the norm. Typical OS upgrades from Ms have been between 2 and 3 years while XP to Vista was 5 years. All that a 2010 release of Win 7 indicates is MS intention to return to its traditional release schedule.
Mostly by people that don't know any better or have never used the OS. I have a friend that has told me the very same thing. The ironic part is that he has never used Me or Vista. Go look up posts on what people said about XP when it was first released. most of the complaints about it are identical to the complaints about Vista.
lol. I don't have to defend XP, look around the proof is in the pudding; why do you think a "downgrade" even exists?
The "downgrade" program only exists for business sales. That's because there are legitimate business reasons for still running XP. It's funny how people forget that XP was not immediately adopted by the corporate world either. There are many major companies that only rolled out XP a year or two ago.
Actually it was really expensive to train employees on Vista, IT admins complained about it and their certification credentials became obsolete when companies decided to make a switch. That's why MS started a downgrade program. Corporate change is always slow and gradual.
well i'm sticking with xp over vista. I prefer the speed and don't like how my HDD is always searching/caching/writing whatever...
xp pro 32bit feels faster than my vista home premium 32bit, and i'm sure it's secure with sp3.
I never hear people say xp sucks gives me problems, did this that or the other. Yet all i hear is about how crappy vista is. I don't like having to learn an entire new way to navigate my explorer that ive been used to for 6 to 10 years now. plus they changed up all the menu options for networking and other things.
A lot of vista i like, and i just turned on "classic theme" i'm even more impressed now. wish there was a way to use classic explorer/menus.
bottom line:
Xp pro feels faster on the desktop.
Xp pro IS faster at running video games.
xp pro supports every hardware/software/driver out there.
to each his own with this vista thing, i think it's neat, but will be using xp pro sp2/sp3 from now on.
Edit: I see myself running vista after vista/sp2/sp3 is out. don't know for sure if i will use 32/64bit or HP/Ultimate. I feel XP reached its peak after the first Service pack and up until today, Vista will probably experience something similar if the next os doesn't release early and steal the spotlight.
xp pro 32bit feels faster than my vista home premium 32bit, and i'm sure it's secure with sp3.
I never hear people say xp sucks gives me problems, did this that or the other. Yet all i hear is about how crappy vista is. I don't like having to learn an entire new way to navigate my explorer that ive been used to for 6 to 10 years now. plus they changed up all the menu options for networking and other things.
A lot of vista i like, and i just turned on "classic theme" i'm even more impressed now. wish there was a way to use classic explorer/menus.
bottom line:
Xp pro feels faster on the desktop.
Xp pro IS faster at running video games.
xp pro supports every hardware/software/driver out there.
to each his own with this vista thing, i think it's neat, but will be using xp pro sp2/sp3 from now on.
Edit: I see myself running vista after vista/sp2/sp3 is out. don't know for sure if i will use 32/64bit or HP/Ultimate. I feel XP reached its peak after the first Service pack and up until today, Vista will probably experience something similar if the next os doesn't release early and steal the spotlight.
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Actually I would say after 2nd SP it reached its peak.
I would not say it supports every hardware/driver, I know for a fact I can get all my Vista x64 drivers that I can't get on XP x64 for some of my hardware(basically I can get all drivers for Vista x64 but can't with XP x64) .
XP in some ways does suck compared to Vista,(I have been using XP for 7 years so don't say it lightly).Security is a lot poorer,memory management too,no future DX support(killer for we gamers),its also coming to end of its life before Vista,ugly userface compared to Vista,sound system not as robust as Vista which is very much less prone to BSOD then XP,I could go but I think you see my point.
Basically I'm just going over the changes in Vista,some people have bothered to understand and read them etc...
I say again I can't for the life of me understand why you can't get your Vostro laptop running fast and stable,I'm typing this post on my Vostro and still waiting for my first crash or issue,I even use it for beta gaming online,as to HD its at idle most times.
Vista only needs ram to improve in performance ,people forget when XP was released 128/256mb was the norm for XP,I know for a fact it runs crap with 256mb,most users nowadays are on at least 1GB,it says a lot for a 7 year old OS that really needs 1GB plus to show its true performance, why should Vista or any other OS be different?...throw in super cheap ram prices and theres really no excuse.
You have probably been spoilt with XP interface too long,any new OS requires some new learning curve,Microsoft software developers love to make changes,so this is not really an issue,look at the difference from DOS to Windows,now that is a major change.
true, and I looked at windows 7 screenshots and it looks identical to longhorn. I also heard someone saying that "vista was developed by a server team, while win7 is being developed by a user team"? Everything from here on out seems to be going the way of vista style. I should just get used to it.
The biggest problem I've had was when i had to /run explorer.exe from taskmanager to get it to continue booting to the desktop... it would just hang with a "mydocuments" window open and no start button. gaming performance is worse than xp, yet getting better, and the drivers are all here now. Also i don't plan to use 64bit vista or xp - i dont need it for anything. my laptop has 2gb of memory wonder if 4gb would be better?
If i keep vista i am going to need to know how to do things to speed it up. people said disable system restore, bitdefender, and some processes or system resources... etc. I also don't like how the HDD spins and fetches data all day long. xp seemed to just use it when needed, and not ahead of time. I would like to disable all these prefetching background applications, and kind of make things more simple. Also it would be nice if i could use the old explorer (details) view.
All of these anecdotal accounts of stability mean nothing. XP and Vista are both stable OS's provided you have good drivers. I'd bet the vast majoirty of crashes are caused by drivers.
I built a solid Win98 machine that would run for weeks at time without a reboot. Only time it needed a reboot was for patch time.
I built a solid Win98 machine that would run for weeks at time without a reboot. Only time it needed a reboot was for patch time.
VinDSL
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I agree! :thumbsup: As a matter of fact...
I ran a multi-line dialup BBS on top of Win95 and never had to reboot, except when I patched something!
Just did this two days ago for a laptop (needed ICH8M drivers). Download Intel Matrix Storage Manager and run the exe in the Command Window with the -A -P switches.
iata78_enu.exe -A -P<Path>
For example, iata78_enu -A -PC:\Drivers
You will get three folders - Docs, Driver, Driver64
Slipstream the appropriate folder using Nlite (Driver64 obviously being the 64-bit drivers).
Remember, you need to integrate the Textmode drivers, not PnP.
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Does WinXP SP3 now run all your apps at non-Admin level by default? Does it now have ASLR, services hardening, Windows Integrity Control and other ca. 2008 security features?
Didn't think so
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