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Vista upgrade question

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gplracer

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I have windows xp pro corp with a valid cd key installed on my computer. Can I just get the upgrade version of vista ultimate or do i need the full version? I would want to do a clean install. I suspect the upgrade process is just like xp but i do not know. I would not want to install and validate xp before every install of vista.
 
The upgrade process is not like XP. If you boot from the DVD and enter an upgrade product key during setup, it will not let you do a clean install. There are no verification checks for qualifying media like there were before.

You should be able to do a clean install by booting off the DVD, leaving the product key field blank, and then selecting the version that matches your key (baisc, premium, ultimate, etc). Then after setup completes, you have 10 days (I think) to enter the key.
 
Originally posted by: stash
The upgrade process is not like XP. If you boot from the DVD and enter an upgrade product key during setup, it will not let you do a clean install. There are no verification checks for qualifying media like there were before.

You should be able to do a clean install by booting off the DVD, leaving the product key field blank, and then selecting the version that matches your key (baisc, premium, ultimate, etc). Then after setup completes, you have 10 days (I think) to enter the key.
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I have been assured in another forum that this will not work because Vista upgrade will not activate if installed this way.

Have you actually done a clean/fresh install from boot the DVD this way and got activation to work?

 
I thought that you HAD to have a version of XP installed to "upgrade". You can do a clean install where it will delete all the xp stuff, but I think u have to have it installed- I'll see if I can dig up where I found that.
 
here is some of it- not sure how reliable the info is

"Sorry, this information is not correct.

Upgrading from XP x86 to Vista x86 using the upgrade version, your only
option is to start setup within a genuine XP installation, no advanced
options available, no ability to do a clean install.

Upgrading from Windows 2000 to Vista x86 using the upgrade version, you do
have to start setup from within W2K, but in this scenario your only option
is to do a custom install.

If you are upgrading anything to Vista x64 upgrade version, then you can
start the upgrade by booting from the Vista DVD where you can do a clean
install. During this setup process it will check the hard drive for a
qualifying OS for the upgrade. "

from here

LINK
 
So basically if you buy the upgrade version you have to reinstall xp and then upgrade every time you reinstall. That is no good!!! They are making it hard for me to want to upgrade to vista
 
I got a question here concernign upgrade. I have window xp pro and I am planning to get vista premium upgrade. However, xp pro is not a direct upgrade path for premium, how will this work?
 
Originally posted by: stash
The upgrade process is not like XP. If you boot from the DVD and enter an upgrade product key during setup, it will not let you do a clean install. There are no verification checks for qualifying media like there were before.

You should be able to do a clean install by booting off the DVD, leaving the product key field blank, and then selecting the version that matches your key (baisc, premium, ultimate, etc). Then after setup completes, you have 10 days (I think) to enter the key.
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Are you sure about this? Every other version of windows allowed you to do a clean install by simply inserting the install cd for the previous version of windows. Why would they change this?

If this is in fact true, it's a good thing I didn't buy the academic version of vista home premium yet. I was definitely going to buy it as it was only $70. I was almost going to go legit, but not if they are pulling this kind of crap.
 
Are you sure about this? Every other version of windows allowed you to do a clean install by simply inserting the install cd for the previous version of windows. Why would they change this?
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Yes I am sure there are no verification checks. Not sure why it was done that way. Again, it is my understanding that you can do a clean install by not entering a PID, since the PID is what determines what version (basic, premium, etc) and type (upgrade, full) you get. But I have not had a chance to try it myself.
 
Originally posted by: stash
Are you sure about this? Every other version of windows allowed you to do a clean install by simply inserting the install cd for the previous version of windows. Why would they change this?
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Yes I am sure there are no verification checks. Not sure why it was done that way. Again, it is my understanding that you can do a clean install by not entering a PID, since the PID is what determines what version (basic, premium, etc) and type (upgrade, full) you get. But I have not had a chance to try it myself.
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The reason I ask is because someone else in this thread said

I just installed an upgrade to Vista Home Premium and you only have to insert a cd with a previous OS. The previous version does not have to be installed.
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So I really need a definite answer on this.
 
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: stash
Are you sure about this? Every other version of windows allowed you to do a clean install by simply inserting the install cd for the previous version of windows. Why would they change this?
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Yes I am sure there are no verification checks. Not sure why it was done that way. Again, it is my understanding that you can do a clean install by not entering a PID, since the PID is what determines what version (basic, premium, etc) and type (upgrade, full) you get. But I have not had a chance to try it myself.
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The reason I ask is because someone else in this thread said

I just installed an upgrade to Vista Home Premium and you only have to insert a cd with a previous OS. The previous version does not have to be installed.
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So I really need a definite answer on this.
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No more using upgrades for clean installs. You will have to install and activate a valid copy of Windows XP before you can get Vista on your computer.

With XP, it is true that you could use the disc of a previous version during the install, without having to intall that OS at all, but with Vista you cannot.

Proof

EDIT: Edited for clarity
 
Originally posted by: regnez
No more using upgrades for clean installs. You will have to install and activate a valid copy of Windows XP before you can get Vista on your computer.

With XP, it is true that you could use the disc of a previous version during the install, without having to intall that OS at all, but with Vista you cannot.

Proof
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I'd hardly call that proof since since end users have reported that they are able to do a clean install with the Vista upgrade. With Microsoft taking a back seat to clarifying EULA's, and now the Vista Upgrade install options, it's no wonder why so many people are confused. :evil:
 
So if you want to use Vista and be able to do clean installs it has to be a FULL version. To use the upgrade there must be XP or 2K on the drive. Correct?
 
i just read from here that if you buy vista upgrade you have to have the xp installed and activated and you just put the vista dvd in like any software and it will setup. you choose upgrade and it will transfer all important installation and delete the original xp image, then it will install vista
 
I thought that i read that ms will allow 10 activations with the oem. Granted you can only have one activation in use at a time.
 
Originally posted by: gplracer
I thought that i read that ms will allow 10 activations with the oem. Granted you can only have one activation in use at a time.
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AFAIK the only licensing that Microsoft changed due to public outcry was Vista Retail full. It went from 1 transfer to unlimited (same and XP). Here's one of many sites that discuss the old/new Vista EULA.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=166

If you purchase a new computer with Windows Vista preinstalled, or if you build your own PC using an OEM version of Windows, this change doesn't affect you. Your copy is locked to that PC and cannot be transferred to another.
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Update 3:30PM PST - The Windows Vista Team Blog has this mea culpa:

Our intention behind the original terms was genuinely geared toward combating piracy; however, it?s become clear to us that those original terms were perceived as adversely affecting an important group of customers: PC and hardware enthusiasts. You who comprise the enthusiast market are vital to us for several reasons, not least of all because of the support you?ve provided us throughout the development of Windows Vista. We respect the time and expense you go to in customizing, building and rebuilding your hardware and we heard you that the previous terms were seen as an impediment to that ? it?s for that reason we?ve made this change. I hope that this change provides the flexibility you need, and gives you more reason to be excited about the upcoming retail release of our new operating system.
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