Vista sucks for games

[Nothinman]

I dare you to find an ethernet NIC not supported by Windows.

I own 3, 2 of them are onboard though.

Linux doesn't require patches or driver updates?

You're still completely missing the point.

So now you're arguing about health? What, is Windows gaming bad for your health or something?

Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you really just this slow? You keep saying that the marketshare is big for Windows games so it must be good, I provided an example of something that is obviously not good but still has a huge marketshare to show you that marketshare doesn't mean anything with regards to quality of the product.

Seriously, are you doing this on purpose or can you not help yourself? "All three platforms suck equally" conflicts with "Linux does fine for gaming". What part of this are you having trouble understanding?

They don't conflict at all. Something can suck horribly but still be fine relative to the rest of the competition.

To use your own terminology: the version of XP you used is an old distro. To also use your terms: you?re concocting issues.

And up until a few months ago it was the only release of that "distro" available so old or not it was the best choice available.

Likewise I don't expect to patch my operating system every time I want to install a piece of hardware that isn't supported out of the box. That's what a simple driver update is for.

And you don't have to with Linux either, Ubuntu releases are every 6 months but they support each release for 18 months. And the LTS release is supported for 3 years on the desktop. But because the upgrade process is usually so simple there's usually no reason not to upgrade every 6 months.

But that opinion has no basis of fact so it's a troll.

Label it what you like but my opinion is based on facts and it's an opinion anyway so I could have formed it based on the day of the week and it would still be valid.

That you couldn?t get Windows to work doesn?t mean it doesn?t work and ignoring market share because it doesn?t fit into your little view of things is also invalid.

And because it works fine for you doesn't mean that it works for everyone. I'm not ignoring market share, I'm saying that it means absolutely nothing about the quality of the product.

How are you "screwed"? Just install the driver and it'll work.

I guess you missed the part where I said "so once you're hardware isn't supported you're screwed?". The whole "hardware isn't supported" thing is the key there.

I guess according to your reasoning Ubuntu users with that video card are "screwed"?

Not at all, the thing worked it just wasn't setup the way he wanted it to be setup. If my NIC had worked but in a slightly limited capacity I wouldn't have had a problem because I could have just found and installed the fuller featured driver but it didn't. And the real issue there is licensing of the non-free nVidia driver and the fact that a lot of free software people don't want distros enabling the non-free drivers by default.

good fscking god, quit arguing already. it's just an argument over semantics. and its getting downright annoying. so no more arguing after this post? good.

Whenever you become a mod you can tell people what to do, but until then go away.

 

[Telon]

Windows is the best OS for gaming for one reason and one reason only>
It has been the most pupular OS for years.

If you are going to make money on a program you will make it for what most OS is being used.
Linux would be the best gaming if it was as popular a widows is.

That being said Linux woud also follow some of the problems with Virus's that windows can get because they would target the Linux OS instead. It is harder to break into but if a man can make it a man can break it.

 

[Slugbait]

Nothinman, you have bitched multiple times about how your newer onboard NIC isn't supported by your old copy of XP. Guess what: that's by design. Your XP CD isn't capable of slipstream time travel on it's own, you do the slipstream.

You have also bitched about how you can't build a stable system outside Linux, while millions of the rest of us have been able to with no problem.

Here's a hint: find your mobo CD. The first time Windows launches after install, the single most important thing to do FIRST is to install your chipset drivers. This has several redeeming values, including system stability and proper OS recognition of the hardware. NIC still not found? Don't take your mobo CD out...it has your NIC drivers, too.

Can't find your mobo CD? Go to http://www.yourmotherboardmanufacturer.com, search for your mobo, and download the chipset drivers.

I could also suggest Autopatcher, but you sound like the kind of person who thinks that's something that should already be on your old CD, and you'll already be connected to your cable modem and compromised before you click the Start button.

Windows is the best OS for gaming for one reason and one reason only>
It has been the most pupular OS for years.

Not quite...you'll recall DOS was still the most popular OS for gaming over a year after Win95 was released. It wasn't until DX3 when some gaming developers starting adopting Windows, and it wasn't until DX5 when the entire industry embraced Windows as a gaming platform.

 

[BFG10K]

I own 3, 2 of them are onboard though.

If your OS pre-dates the hardware ("old distro") you can either install the driver manually or as was mentioned above slipstream. Failing that you can use a newer version of Windows or apply a service pack which might also help ("newer distro").

And like I mentioned earlier I'm reasonably certain you can install a generic NIC driver to get basic functionality. I've never done it for a NIC but I did it once for an old ISA modem that XP didn't recognize and it worked perfectly. In fact I never bothered installing the manufacturer's driver.

Not supported implies it's not possible to get it working on Windows which is false in the case of nForce onboard ethernet.

You're still completely missing the point.

No, I see things perfectly - your arguments flip-flop whenever they suit your agenda.

You keep saying that the marketshare is big for Windows games so it must be good,

I'm not saying market share is evidence of Windows being good per-se. What I'm saying is that its market share allows gamers to enjoy things not available on other OSes so that indirectly makes Windows better.

I provided an example of something that is obviously not good but still has a huge marketshare to show you that marketshare doesn't mean anything with regards to quality of the product.

Smoking and McDonald's are irrelevant to the point above. What advantages do smokers enjoy over non-smokers like Windows gamers enjoy over non-Windows gamers?

Furthermore people that smoke and eat McDonald's are a minority to those that don't so your example is even more worthless.

They don't conflict at all. Something can suck horribly but still be fine relative to the rest of the competition.

OMFG, this is truly comical now. Do you understand the dictionary definition of equality? You claim they're equal so how can one suck while the other does fine? Your semantic games are truly tiresome now.

And up until a few months ago it was the only release of that "distro" available so old or not it was the best choice available.

Sorry no, that is false. SP2, x64, 2003 and MCE have been out for more than few months.

And you don't have to with Linux either, Ubuntu releases are every 6 months but they support each release for 18 months. And the LTS release is supported for 3 years on the desktop. But because the upgrade process is usually so simple there's usually no reason not to upgrade every 6 months.

But you're lambasting Windows for requiring manual driver updates while claiming Linux doesn't have that problem because everything is supported out the box. Sorry, but if new hardware comes along you either need to install new drivers or update your OS.

And because it works fine for you doesn't mean that it works for everyone.

Just because it didn't work for you it doesn?t mean it sucks. Again the Windows gaming market couldn't possibly exist if Windows behaved like you claim for everyone.

Not at all, the thing worked it just wasn't setup the way he wanted it to be setup.

A VGA driver is not working. You can't play hardware accelerated 3D games with a VGA driver.

Also Vista had no problems setting it up for him and installing a correct driver thereby debunking your claim that Linux's frequent updates negate the need to manually install drivers.