Vista successor scheduled for a H2 2009 release?

[Aberforth]

Well, XP is based on Windows 2000 codebase which was in development for 5 years. So basically XP is based on a very old code and it required a lot of patchwork after the release.

But Windows Vienna/Blackcomb and Longhorn was a different design but it looks like the features of vienna was very extensive or futuristic to be included into the vista release, that's why they stripped some of the features in Longhorn (like WinFS, Virtual Folders) to match the release date. And now MS is hinting that Windows 7 is all about user interface enhancments.

I found some concept videos: (not real)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJC2vzqsWg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YwCev1p1U4
BlackComb/Vienna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEEb0G56Js

 

[AznMthr]

there is very few people i know who have windows xp and want to make the transition to vista. why do you think a lot of pc boxers still offer xp as an option over a year after the vista launch? we need a new OS that handles things well like the refined xp does but we advanced features. in this instance '09 is not too soon!

 

[Nothinman]

I hope they can either create rules or implement something so applications are self contained like in OS X and leave little to no footprint. I hate how apps sprinkle their software all over the place.

Most of the problems with apps on Windows are the fault of the app developers. Proper package management on Windows would help a bit but I'm sure those developers would still find a way to f' it up. Parts of the apps need to be spread around a bit. Shared libraries need to go in a central location otherwise they're not very shared and preferences, caches, etc have to go somewhere that your user can write to but not somewhere that everyone else can read so they pretty much have to go in your home directory. The binary itself could go in either depending on whether you want it to be usable by other users and the best default is to put it in such a place. So you've got at least 3 distinct parts to the app and they should go in 3 different places.

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: Mem
Link.

While it has generally been believed that Windows 7 was scheduled for a 2010 debut, Microsoft has revised the roadmap and apparently moved up the release date by a few months: A recently distributed roadmap of the OS lists a release to manufacturing in H2 2009. Microsoft declined to comment on this date.

The current M1 drop is available to Microsoft partners in English only and has shipped in x86 and x64 versions. An interesting feature that has been highlighted by Microsoft is the ability of the M1 software to handle a heterogeneous graphics system consisting of multiple graphics cards from different vendors. A new version of the Media center is already integrated in this software, but supports PC speakers only at this time.

If Microsoft will be able to keep the H2 2009 RTM (and most likely) release date in place, the company will have two busy. The M2 code drop is currently scheduled for April/May 2008, M3 will follow in the third quarter. The dates for the first Beta and the release candidate are still listed as ?To be determined? but it doesn?t take much to see that the first beta versions could become available a year from now.

Personally I feel Microsoft should take their time with the next OS,Vista is only a year old and we are still waiting for Official SP1,then you have those that are happy with WinXP ,another OS released so early will only confuse a lot of users out there.

They got jealous of new Apple Leopard OS they don't want to lose market share to Apple.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Perhaps this Windows 7 will be like the transition from Win2k to XP. 2k wasn't bad by any means, XP just stabilized it and made it better overall.

I also feel the system could use some work in the file structure department. Perhaps a grossly simplified version by default that would make sense to users. Replace names like "Documents and Settings" (I think they did change this in Vista) with shorter easier to remember names. Also don't allow programs to access your root C: directory to keep things tidy, limit them to certain directories. Driver management could use some work, like arbitrary icons to represent all drivers installed on the system that are easy to work with. Example would be a folder like C:/Programs/Drivers that has an icon representing each piece of hardware. So you might see "nVidia 8800GTX" listed, and deleting that icon would remove the driver for the hardware. It would also make it easy to tell if there are any old drivers for hardware that isn't in use anymore. Obviously these icons would simply be a GUI frontend to a standard driver system. Adding some bling to the system would be a nice user experience as well. Things like Flip 3D were nice in Vista, but not nearly as useful as the counterparts in Linux/OSX. Add small animations to the start menu and when you mouse over items on the task bar. I think Apple has done a good job of getting a very solid speed to their animations that make them look natural and appealing. I'm not sure if that makes sense to many of you, but for me there is defintely a point where an animation "feels" solid. A good example would be Expose in OSX vs the Compiz plugin counterpart. They both do the same job without any performance hits, but the one in OSX seems more natural (at least by default).

 

[n7]

Windows 7 shipping already? 😉
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tm...nt-view-35641-118.html

Chicago (IL) - Several industry sources have confirmed to TG Daily that a very early version of Windows 7, previously code-named Blackcomb Vienna, already has been shipped to ?key partners? as a ?Milestone 1? (M1) code drop for validation purposes. A roadmap received by TG Daily indicates that the new operating system will be introduced in the second half of 2009.

Now who knows some "key partners"...i'd love to be able to score this to test it out 😛

 

[stash]

hahaha, that's good stuff ^^^

 

[Griffinhart]

I'm still failing to see any significance here. In all likelyhood, Win7 is going to be more akin to Vista SE than anything else. Plus, even if it goes RTM in the second half of 2009 we are still looking at three years between RTM cycles.

I'm curious as to how this is any indication of how good or bad vista is.

Looking at the release cycles of OSX:
Cheetah 03/01
Puma 09/01
Jaguar 08/02
Panther 10/03
Tiger 04/05
Leopard 10/07

Ubuntu is no better(not inculding the 3 "point" releases):
Warty Warthog 10/04
Hoary Hedgehog 04/05
Dapper Drake 06/06
Feisty Fawn 04/07
Hardy Heron due 04/08

If we can determine Vista must suck because there will be only three years between it and Win7 what can we determine about the past releases of Ubuntu and OSX? In many cases the new relases were less than 12 months. If short time between releases is a valid indication what does that say? Or do we hold other operating systems to a lower standard than we do Windows? If so, why?

If anything, The time between XP and Vista says more about the ability of Microsoft to hit it's target dates than it does about the software itself.

 

[TheSlamma]

XP was shortly after 2000 and that was a VERY welcome OS IMO.

To me 2000 was a "public beta" that led to XP. Vista is a pOS and I welcome the next OS already.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: n7
The sooner, the better.

I can't wait to hear the wailing & screaming of n00bs who didn't like Vista doing the same thing for Windows 7.

I wouldn't count on seeing the retail release before 2010 TBH though, since delays wouldn't surprise me.
January 2010, exactly 3 years after Vista would make sense, but only time will tell.

I like what they did with Vista, but they can do a lot better, so again, bring it on! 😀

Yah I like the roaming profile feature in Vista where it can't always load your profile so it creates a temporary one.. then deletes it then creates a new one again and again. Thats a sweet feature.

Files N7's OS posts away with the home kiddies. Call us when you work with this shit professionally.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: n7
The sooner, the better.

I can't wait to hear the wailing & screaming of n00bs who didn't like Vista doing the same thing for Windows 7.

I wouldn't count on seeing the retail release before 2010 TBH though, since delays wouldn't surprise me.
January 2010, exactly 3 years after Vista would make sense, but only time will tell.

I like what they did with Vista, but they can do a lot better, so again, bring it on! 😀

Yah I like the roaming profile feature in Vista where it can't always load your profile so it creates a temporary one.. then deletes it then creates a new one again and again. Thats a sweet feature.

Files N7's OS posts away with the home kiddies. Call us when you work with this shit professionally.

Um, that's the way roaming profiles have worked since NT 4 at least.

Guess you haven't been working with this shit professionally for very long :roll:
You might want to look into why the profile can't be found.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Yah I like the roaming profile feature in Vista where it can't always load your profile so it creates a temporary one.. then deletes it then creates a new one again and again. Thats a sweet feature.

Files N7's OS posts away with the home kiddies. Call us when you work with this shit professionally.

You're biased, woohoo, good for you.



I'm a tech. Low level one, yes. So my rent is paid working with Windows sh!t. :roll:

But guess what my number one frustration is with systems.

F*cking drivers.
When we have to do a clean install since no customer ever has recovery discs made, & usually the recovery partition is f*cked, guess how much fun it is finding drivers for OEM systems running XP?

It's actually a horrifying never ending nightmare in XP, since you can almost always never find one or two of them.

Vista has an extensive set of drivers built in, which makes OS reloads a piece of cake most of the time.

The next most annoying thing?
Viruses/spyware/systems clogged to hell with crapware.

Guess how many Vista systems i work with that are wrecked due to viruses, spyware, & crap?

Basically none.


So sorry, but XP cannot die fast enough.

Vista is a delight to work with, since first off, there are DRASTICALLY fewer issues, & secondly, installs with it are so much easier!

So please, enjoy your XP. :roll:
The rest of will move forward to far better OSes, which is also why i am excited to see the next one.

 

[fyleow]

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[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: fyleow
That's not how the Ubuntu releases work. There are no "point" releases, they are all major releases with some getting longer support. The version numbers are derived from the date they are released.

7.10 was a pretty major release adding a GUI and safe mode for X, integrating desktop search, compiz by default etc.

lol, interesting. I didn't notice that. So since they are all major releases that makes it 8 versions of Ubuntu in 3 and a half years.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: n7
So sorry, but XP cannot die fast enough.

Vista is a delight to work with, since first off, there are DRASTICALLY fewer issues, & secondly, installs with it are so much easier!

So please, enjoy your XP. :roll:
The rest of will move forward to far better OSes, which is also why i am excited to see the next one.

QFT. :thumbsup:

XP is an antique, and you'll either throw it in the cabinet to collect dust, or get with the times.

 

[Nothinman]

lol, interesting. I didn't notice that. So since they are all major releases that makes it 8 versions of Ubuntu in 3 and a half years.

Yup, they do a full release every ~6 months. It works really well because it's simple to do an inplace upgrade from each release and there's no licensing issues to scare people away.

Of course I prefer the Debian sid (i.e. unstable) method where I am essentially running their current development release constantly so I don't have to worry about major upgrades and I have the newest release of everything that's packaged for Debian.

 

[Modelworks]

I think one of the biggest mistakes MS made with vista is waiting so long to release it.
XP is well entrenched, its had all the major bugs patched, and its a fairly stable OS.
Now they are trying to sell people on upgrading and people look at their pc and go "why ?"

Now with the news they are releasing a new os in less than 2 years its going to make people think even more about just staying with xp.