Vista=slower gaming...

[Viditor]

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"MICROSOFT is telling its selected gaming industry chaps that gaming under Vista will be ten to fifteen per cent slower than XP. It is because you have to load the 3D desktop all the time"

At the prices they're going to charge, I think Vista will have a number of sales problems at first.

 

[akshayt]

That is crappy inquirer,

Discussed earlier already.

Games may be 5-10% slower than XP, but only older ones, newer games will be faster.

Also, that Aero thing crapping your performance doesn't make any sense, if I am not mistaken it was the 3D interface meant to make Vista better. In any case MS should have enough manpower to program the OS to switch automatically to optimal settings while gaming if that is a major issue.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: akshayt
That is crappy inquirer,

Discussed earlier already.

Games may be 5-10% slower than XP, but only older ones, newer games will be faster.

Also, that Aero thing crapping your performance doesn't make any sense, if I am not mistaken it was the 3D interface meant to make Vista better. In any case MS should have enough manpower to program the OS to switch automatically to optimal settings while gaming if that is a major issue.

If by newer you mean DX-10, who knows? Though it won't really be a comparison as DX-10 isn't being released for Windows XP...
Things like BF2 and the current crop of games will be slower (and yes, it's the 3D).

 

[hans007]

well you can turn aero off. as long as you dont run the aero glass interface it doesnt even use the 3d card. and home basic doesnt even have aero glass.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

what hans007 said.

 

[RichUK]

I'll just go SLI then

One card for games, the other for Vista Aero.

 

[Furen]

I would say that if there is a performance slowdown it'd be thanks to the driver model, not having Aero-glass loaded.

 

[lopri]

Wrong forum.

 

[zephyrprime]

Home basic won't have aero? Microsoft is a fool.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Furen
I would say that if there is a performance slowdown it'd be thanks to the driver model, not having Aero-glass loaded.

well no, you'd have to have all that crap for aero glass loaded so that you could say, alt-tab and such.


and yes aero glass will not be in home basic.

aero glass is for one thing completely pointless. "aero" is the look at feel of vista and all vistas have it.

glass is the dx9 enabled version with all the stupid transparencies and 3d effects.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: hans007
well you can turn aero off. as long as you dont run the aero glass interface it doesnt even use the 3d card. and home basic doesnt even have aero glass.

So long as it can be turned off, then ok.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

I thought that Vista was going to have it where when you enter a game the OS (I'm not sure what a good term is for it so I'll say) closes out during gameplay.

 

[Celeryman]

I wish that microsoft would offer a no frills gaming OS that is optimized for just gaming. Or maybe a gaming mode where only the essentials are loaded (kernel, drivers, dlls, etc). I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

They could offer it to people that have valid MS licenses for Vista or whatever is their flagship.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Celeryman
I wish that microsoft would offer a no frills gaming OS that is optimized for just gaming. Or maybe a gaming mode where only the essentials are loaded (kernel, drivers, dlls, etc). I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

They could offer it to people that have valid MS licenses for Vista or whatever is their flagship.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

thats basically windows vista home basic if you want a dx10 compatible OS. its supposed to be something like $89 oem.

 

[her34]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: Celeryman
I wish that microsoft would offer a no frills gaming OS that is optimized for just gaming. Or maybe a gaming mode where only the essentials are loaded (kernel, drivers, dlls, etc). I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

They could offer it to people that have valid MS licenses for Vista or whatever is their flagship.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

thats basically windows vista home basic if you want a dx10 compatible OS. its supposed to be something like $89 oem.

i think he means even more basic than vista home.

some option where you can boot into game mode and play game before vista loads.

 

[aka1nas]

From my own experiences with RC1 and RC2 64-bit, the performance difference is not noticeable. Aero Glass doesn't need a lot of 3d resources to run, and if you have a decent modern graphics card the performance hit is minimal to negligable. My games fps is pretty much identical than in XP and my 3dmark scores are also about the same.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Celeryman
I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

You can open a command window and then "end task" on Explorer.

Regarding Linux, depends on the game. IIRC there are a handful of people who actually show up to LAN parties around the Chicago area who run Linux. They're limited in what they can play, but can run most of the stuff that gets played at those LANs like anything Quake or Doom engine, anything UT, etc.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Celeryman
I wish that microsoft would offer a no frills gaming OS that is optimized for just gaming. Or maybe a gaming mode where only the essentials are loaded (kernel, drivers, dlls, etc). I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

They could offer it to people that have valid MS licenses for Vista or whatever is their flagship.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

I think your talking about the Xbox360 here.

 

[Celeryman]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Celeryman
I wish that microsoft would offer a no frills gaming OS that is optimized for just gaming. Or maybe a gaming mode where only the essentials are loaded (kernel, drivers, dlls, etc). I for one would love a command line interface instead of an overblown GUI for gaming.

They could offer it to people that have valid MS licenses for Vista or whatever is their flagship.

On the other hand, I wish Linux was a viable gaming platform.

I think your talking about the Xbox360 here.

Perhaps if the Xbox360 OS were available for the PC.

I am aware of Cedega for Linux, but you still have to go through considerable trouble to get most games working half way decently with it.

I think her34 is close to what I was talking about. It's a dream that probably won't come true. I wonder if there will be something like TinyXP for Vista, that might work out.

 

[Hyperlite]

i wonder if there will be a simple way to turn glass on and off, without requiring a reboot or anything. I remember a long time ago i used to use a batch script to kill a bunch of processes before i started playing a game...mabye we could do something like that again if it becomes a problem?

 

[aka1nas]

I didn't think turning glass off required a reboot as it's just a theme change.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

aero glass is not even worth going to vista for.
if you want all the lovely effects xgl+compiz (in linux) run circles around aero. and it work with older cards too.

anyway this drop was predictedfrom the beginning qand i think MS is just blaming it on aero. if i remeber corrently long itme ago MS stated that DX-9 support was removed and it would run DX-9 under EMULATION. thats what i think the performance penalty is from.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
From my own experiences with RC1 and RC2 64-bit, the performance difference is not noticeable. Aero Glass doesn't need a lot of 3d resources to run, and if you have a decent modern graphics card the performance hit is minimal to negligable. My games fps is pretty much identical than in XP and my 3dmark scores are also about the same.

Then why does every review site show different?

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: aka1nas
From my own experiences with RC1 and RC2 64-bit, the performance difference is not noticeable. Aero Glass doesn't need a lot of 3d resources to run, and if you have a decent modern graphics card the performance hit is minimal to negligable. My games fps is pretty much identical than in XP and my 3dmark scores are also about the same.

Then why does every review site show different?

To be fair, I am comparing a broken-in XP(a few weeks old) install vs a new vista install. Other than 3d mark and FRAPS, I am admittedly pretty much being subjective in my observations. I am also running sufficient RAM in my system as Vista does use about 300MB or 400MB more than a comparable XP install and I could see systems with only 1GB of RAM taking a performance hit with modern games. I have found the current ATI driver build to be of pretty good quality for a pre-release driver, other than a few random display artifact issues when using multiple displays.

 

[7of9]

Isn't too much of a surprise.

Windows XP is/was slower at games than Windows 98 due to being more of a resource hog. However, its a moot issue now because XP is dominant just like Vista will be in the future.