While it may seem like you're going somewhere with your post, if you actually take a step back and look at the big picture, it's mostly just nonsese drivel... So what is your point? Care to "sum up" your post? I don't feel like thinking too hard as this isn't physics or anything REMOTELY complicated.
While it may seem like you're going somewhere with your post, if you actually take a step back and look at the big picture, it's mostly just nonsese drivel... So what is your point? Care to "sum up" your post? I don't feel like thinking too hard as this isn't physics or anything REMOTELY complicated.
I agree, problem is, the people who are against me are likely people who don't run memory intensive applications and just spout the same garbage as the first poster who said it since they can't make up their mind. Watch, soon you'll get people, much like the people who say "they have gay friends" to seem like they're not "homophobic" will be saying that "Well I run photoshop/auto cad/games/Insert Memory intensive application" in the same way. :laugh: Hopefully some one my skim my post or avoid it entirely and "do this".
Otherwise it might not happen..Lol, I highly DOUBT that IS the reason for it taking 800MBs as this feature is in windows XP and 2000 and they take nowhere near 800MBs...
So this of course would explain the 800MB memory usage increase in vista, a full 300MB IIRC from the earlier beta, which should technically be LESS efficient.. :laugh: Look, would you care to explain why XP uses more ram than windows 2000, sure it has albiet "faster to the desktop load times" but anything else? You know, after all the GUI crap they force you to look at is removed...
Microsoft seriously doesn't have a clue as to what people want, I've yet to encouter a person who likes the default theme of windows XP, can't see how vista will be any better, looks like a worthless hunk of sh!t if you ask me..
Lol, you act like microsoft would have given you a useful antivirus program much to the equivalent of kaspersky when in reality it would have been much closer to the "firewall" XP has...:laugh:
man. you really are an honest to god troll aren't you, goku?
If life, credibility is sometimes everything. You have admitted to not being a programmer, and yet continue to teeter on such delicate topics about which you could not know anything about, by your own admittion. Please man, stop it. It's not jsut juvelile as someone said, but it borders on the antagonistic and you really give this palce a bad name.
You act as if the world centers around you on most every other subject, and you're blatently wrong. You might feel high and mighty on your high horse, but odds, are , there will come a day when you will continue with this unwarranted ignorance, and you will suffer for it.
Hell, I know 2 more programming languages, and basically CCNA level, am an engineering students, and I still let the experts ahve their say, because I realize that Ido not know everything.
There are so many consistent errors in your post, but to sum it up, only a fool or an developing insider bases the final product on the beta, and I'm pretty sure, from your psots, that you are no developer.
Humble yourself dude. It's embarrassing.
If life, credibility is sometimes everything. You have admitted to not being a programmer, and yet continue to teeter on such delicate topics about which you could not know anything about, by your own admittion. Please man, stop it. It's not jsut juvelile as someone said, but it borders on the antagonistic and you really give this palce a bad name.
You act as if the world centers around you on most every other subject, and you're blatently wrong. You might feel high and mighty on your high horse, but odds, are , there will come a day when you will continue with this unwarranted ignorance, and you will suffer for it.
Hell, I know 2 more programming languages, and basically CCNA level, am an engineering students, and I still let the experts ahve their say, because I realize that Ido not know everything.
There are so many consistent errors in your post, but to sum it up, only a fool or an developing insider bases the final product on the beta, and I'm pretty sure, from your psots, that you are no developer.
Humble yourself dude. It's embarrassing.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
man. you really are an honest to god troll aren't you, goku?
If life, credibility is sometimes everything. You have admitted to not being a programmer, and yet continue to teeter on such delicate topics about which you could not know anything about, by your own admittion. Please man, stop it. It's not jsut juvelile as someone said, but it borders on the antagonistic and you really give this palce a bad name.
You act as if the world centers around you on most every other subject, and you're blatently wrong. You might feel high and mighty on your high horse, but odds, are , there will come a day when you will continue with this unwarranted ignorance, and you will suffer for it.
Hell, I know 2 more programming languages, and basically CCNA level, am an engineering students, and I still let the experts ahve their say, because I realize that Ido not know everything.
There are so many consistent errors in your post, but to sum it up, only a fool or an developing insider bases the final product on the beta, and I'm pretty sure, from your psots, that you are no developer.
I didn't say that the final product would be exactly like this it's just that by the looks of things, things aren't getting any better, they're getting worse. There, you happy? I read your post.
Humble yourself dude. It's embarrassing.
That is the proof of your concept in this case. You want sommaking ething simple that doesn't take up many resources, that works rather seemessly in the background:
I present to you windows firewall.
Sure it is practically crippled, but you somehow argue for that concept and then equally agaisnt it, in hte case of media player.
I'm sorry man, but computers are faster and their capacity has increased immensely these days and you have to accept it.
I use my computer as a PVR, for gaming, for how (surfing), video editing, encoding, and website desgin (once in a blue moon) and I know about heavy [consumer] memory usage and find XP to be quite acceptable.
You act as if saving 100MB of RAM is the single deciding factor being life and death when it isn't.
You act as if > 1GB is a bad thing and sloppy on the part of the developers.
You act as if developers need to stifle their efforts in providng more and more features at the cost of conserving what is, in fact, many times, an increasing baseline of memory.
You act as if old technology should always define the new.
You think inside the box, and let me tell you boi, you are WRONG.
I remember when the 333celeron was the most sought after chip in existance.
I remember when 16MB of RAM was fine.
I remember when 32MB was fine.
I remember when the p3 700e's would clock to 1GHZ.
I remember when the GHZ barrier was broken.
I can go on and on. The fact is, from your psots, you have clearly stated that you are not a fan of change, and unless you realize, accept, and overcome that hinderance, you will continue to, and forever remain, a simple troll on some internet message board.
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
man. you really are an honest to god troll aren't you, goku?
If life, credibility is sometimes everything. You have admitted to not being a programmer, and yet continue to teeter on such delicate topics about which you could not know anything about, by your own admittion. Please man, stop it. It's not jsut juvelile as someone said, but it borders on the antagonistic and you really give this palce a bad name.
You act as if the world centers around you on most every other subject, and you're blatently wrong. You might feel high and mighty on your high horse, but odds, are , there will come a day when you will continue with this unwarranted ignorance, and you will suffer for it.
Hell, I know 2 more programming languages, and basically CCNA level, am an engineering students, and I still let the experts ahve their say, because I realize that Ido not know everything.
There are so many consistent errors in your post, but to sum it up, only a fool or an developing insider bases the final product on the beta, and I'm pretty sure, from your psots, that you are no developer.
I didn't say that the final product would be exactly like this it's just that by the looks of things, things aren't getting any better, they're getting worse. There, you happy? I read your post.
Humble yourself dude. It's embarrassing.
So wait, your point is that you are still basing your assertions on the progressions of a beta which isn't due out for some time?
If you really knew what you were talking about, you would have legitimate grievances with the extra memory usage, but all I have seen is baseless asseritions on par with the mentality of someone who doesn't know the subject.
XP firewall does what it's meant to do.
As for the AV, why wouldn't it? Windows Defender is kickass.
It's not the ONLY software that would be out there... just as the firewall and Windows Defender, you can also get 3rd party software.
wow.. that was to point out an instance where memory usage increases. i wasn't saying that "8 MB = 1 GB" fool.. but that what 1 MB was appropriate for yesterday may not be appropriate today.
what the hell does the technology have to do with it? now you're arguing the evolution of hardware when i was arguing requirements.
yea that's right, i'm the dalai lama b1tch.
i never said that i didn't understand what you were saying.. but none of what you're saying is based of real concrete evidence.. you looked at task manager and saw how your memory was being distributed? good for you! it's not an accurate assessment you fool. you're so-called findings are based off an uncontrolled environment.
you don't kno sht about the windows kernel, yet you spout your pompous bullsht like you know what you're talking about. if the applications running in user space take up anywhere near 2 GB of the virtual address space (includes both physical and "virtual" size), then the system can't give your application anymore memory. but you obviously didn't poll the total virtual address space being used.
you didn't supply us with any information other than the results of your findings.. you should've run a performance trace, NOT looked at task manager after the program was minimized and/or out of scope. you didn't tell us about any of the conditions you were running your application under, or hell.. what the application was even! you didn't check with other people to find out if the specs on the app assumed unrealistic conditions, or if something else about your system was affecting the performance. nope.. full of yourself, you pointed your finger immediately at the os.. then started blaming microsoft for making bad os' and that they've developed a bad habit of "poor coding". the problem isn't the os, it's your computer.
if the specs for the application said 1.5 GB, would you still be whining?
Lol, troll. Your lack of understanding and compassion is quite depressing. I pity you.
Oh and in reference to the 1998 thing, I wouldn't be surprised if Im about to get a response about how "in the computer world" technology moves quickly and older technology becomes outdated so quickly. :roll: Sure it becomes outdated, doesn't make it "useless". 450MHZ is still 450, it's pretty damn fast and for most people's uses it's perfectly suitable.
One problem I've noticed though is a lot of systems in the 1998-2000 era, BX chipset or not, are having memory bandwidth issues with bandwidth sometimes in the 200MB/s opposed to the 700MB/s. I had one system that achieved 700MB/s and it was plenty fast, but most systems I've worked on as of late have memory bandwidth in the 200-400MB/s and they are nowhere near as fast which gives the impression that 450-1GHZ is slow when it really isn't.
Lol
yea that's right, i'm the dalai lama b1tch.
i never said that i didn't understand what you were saying.. but none of what you're saying is based of real concrete evidence.. you looked at task manager and saw how your memory was being distributed? good for you! it's not an accurate assessment you fool. you're so-called findings are based off an uncontrolled environment.
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So, what *are* you trying to tell me? That task manager is unreliable source of information? Do you have a better program that will "more accurately" represent memory usage? Sarcasm aside, please, guide me to this as I would *actually* be interested in it..
you don't kno sht about the windows kernel, yet you spout your pompous bullsht like you know what you're talking about. if the applications running in user space take up anywhere near 2 GB of the virtual address space (includes both physical and "virtual" size), then the system can't give your application anymore memory. but you obviously didn't poll the total virtual address space being used.
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You need to rewrite this as I don't know what you're getting at. And no it's not my ignorance of "the windows kernel" that is making me confused about you post, it's the fact that it lacks coherency, no offense or anything...
you didn't supply us with any information other than the results of your findings.. you should've run a performance trace, NOT looked at task manager after the program was minimized and/or out of scope. you didn't tell us about any of the conditions you were running your application under, or hell.. what the application was even! you didn't check with other people to find out if the specs on the app assumed unrealistic conditions, or if something else about your system was affecting the performance. nope.. full of yourself, you pointed your finger immediately at the os.. then started blaming microsoft for making bad os' and that they've developed a bad habit of "poor coding". the problem isn't the os, it's your computer.
if the specs for the application said 1.5 GB, would you still be whining?[/quote]
BF2, under various conditions. Photoshop under various conditions etc.. I have dual monitors FYI so I can keep taskmanager open and see memory usage in the program at the same time
Yes if it was minimized, you'd be absolutely correct in that it would appear that memory usage is lower than it should be..I see you are trying to make some headway for the linux crowd.
Keep this in mind. YOu have to give windows a lot of credit. They manage to pull off EVERYTHING in the GUI without letting it get too laggy, if at all.
I don't know about you, but I've never seen the same happen on a linux box. The gui is really laggy. That said, I prefer the CLI like everyone else and find it superior to clicking around.
That said, you have to give the MS guys credit for tieing everything to the GUI and not bogging it down.
If WINE in linux gains much more compatibility then I'd fully switch but ATM it's got a lot of work to do. I'm not entirely familiar with linux as I am with windows since I've got very little time as I'm already doing poorly in school...
i didn't say that task manager didn't accurately report memory usage.. it's just not thorough enough to assess memory performance.
administrative tools -> performance, click on new counter set
add the counters: demand zero pages, pages input, pages output
if you want to see how much the system is actually using.. add system code total and system driver total. this doesn't include services, but u can see that easily as scvhost.exe.
get process explorer.. it's a lot more informative than task manager. select the column for virtual size and add up all the ones that aren't SYSTEM, and you have the total virtual address space in use.
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your frustration is based on the inability of the kernel to use up all the memory, but u didn't look into if any extremes were being reached.. instead u assumed that it was the fault of the os. that's the point that i was making.
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photoshop is not a good program to assess memory usage. it relies too heavily on the pagefile. regardless of how much memory you have, there will be some performance penalty. when you switch back to an old image that you haven't used for some time, there's a good chance that it won't be in physical memory.
administrative tools -> performance, click on new counter set
add the counters: demand zero pages, pages input, pages output
if you want to see how much the system is actually using.. add system code total and system driver total. this doesn't include services, but u can see that easily as scvhost.exe.
get process explorer.. it's a lot more informative than task manager. select the column for virtual size and add up all the ones that aren't SYSTEM, and you have the total virtual address space in use.
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your frustration is based on the inability of the kernel to use up all the memory, but u didn't look into if any extremes were being reached.. instead u assumed that it was the fault of the os. that's the point that i was making.
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photoshop is not a good program to assess memory usage. it relies too heavily on the pagefile. regardless of how much memory you have, there will be some performance penalty. when you switch back to an old image that you haven't used for some time, there's a good chance that it won't be in physical memory.
goku, PLEASE don't take this as a flame or insult. I'm not making it up to make you look bad; it's a simple statement of fact:
You don't know what you're talking about. Every other time you post, you make that more and more clear.
Who am I to say this? Just some guy who's going to complete a Master's in Computer Science this year and is somewhat well versed in security, OSes, and programming languages. While I'm certianly not an expert in any of these fields, I know enough to know that your conceptions of all three are somewhat... unrealistic.
You don't know what you're talking about. Every other time you post, you make that more and more clear.
Who am I to say this? Just some guy who's going to complete a Master's in Computer Science this year and is somewhat well versed in security, OSes, and programming languages. While I'm certianly not an expert in any of these fields, I know enough to know that your conceptions of all three are somewhat... unrealistic.
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