Vista . . . meh.

[XMan]

Am I the only one that doesn't plan to upgrade? My Windows XP and MCE 2K5 systems work just fine now. I don't look at Vista and say, ooh, I need that, the way I did with, say, 98 to XP.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I'm planning on it, and I'm not a Windows guy.

 

[Noema]

I like Windows XP a lot, but as a gamer, DX10's being Vista-exclusive will mean that I won't have much of a choice if I want to play the latest and greatest. DX10 is supposed to offer a big performance boost, so I'm looking forward to that, but we'll see.

So yes, I'll upgrade to Vista, but not on release. I'll wait until my current rig is outdated beyond repair, and probably until MS releases a SP of sorts for vista. Then I'll build a DX10 able rig and go full vista.

For the average Joe (ie, non-gamer, non-enthusiast), there are still compelling reasons to go vista, mainly because of the increased security. We'll have to see how that works out, though.

 

[masteraleph]

I'm probably going to be getting it, but that's also because I'm holding out til next spring/summer for a new desktop.

I do think that there are a lot of nice features- increased security and being able to apply most updates without reinstalling are among them. I'm kind of hoping that the supposedly much improved scaling will pan out as well.

 

[SynthDude2001]

I'm planning on it, but probably only because I can generally get Windows (and a few other things) cheaply through my university. I kinda doubt I'd be willing to pay a few hundred dollars for it...

 

[John]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I'm planning on it, but probably only because I can generally get Windows (and a few other things) cheaply through my university. I kinda doubt I'd be willing to pay a few hundred dollars for it...

Same here, except I will wait for it to become available in the Action Pack subscription.

 

[loup garou]

I will buy the upgrade for my MediaCenter as soon as CableCard HD tunercards are available. That's reason enough for me. For my desktop and laptop, well, I like the features, but will probably just wait and buy new machines with OEM copies on it...no rush. For my clients? It's gonna be a long time....let's see what Longhorn Server has to offer. Although I am super-excited about Exchange 12. Oh and I will get everyone on Office 2007 ASAP, it rocks.

 

[Nothinman]

The only way I'll own a Vista license is if it's forced on me by some OEM whenever I get my next laptop, which won't be for a while anyway.

 

[FelixDeCat]

What a shame.

 

[EffeX]

Ill Sail The Seas for the ultimate edition hehe....

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: loup garou
I will buy the upgrade for my MediaCenter as soon as CableCard HD tunercards are available. That's reason enough for me. For my desktop and laptop, well, I like the features, but will probably just wait and buy new machines with OEM copies on it...no rush. For my clients? It's gonna be a long time....let's see what Longhorn Server has to offer. Although I am super-excited about Exchange 12. Oh and I will get everyone on Office 2007 ASAP, it rocks.

I'd love to get CableCard as well but everything I'm reading says that you won't be able to buy one, you'll have to get it in a pre-packaged system. I'm not going to do that, when all I really need is to upgrade the hardware in my existing HTPC.

 

[Snoogums Boogums]

I'll pick up a version that fell off the back of a truck

 

[Looney]

I'm getting it, it's a significant upgrade from XP imo. First, visually it's so much better. I just don't mean Aero, which is sweet, but also the way the windows are set up now. For examples, the menus are now hidden but easily accessible. I never used File, Edit, Tools, etc often in most windows... and in programs that you do use them often, like in Office, it's set up to be even MORE accessible than it was previously.

And navigating through explorer (Computer) is better imo. At first i thought missing tree view would be a problem, but then i realized that even in XP, i had multiple windows open and trees really weren't necessary. With the way the 'address bar' in explorer works, it's actually quicker to navigate around. And having a favorite links is great too.

Networking is one of the best changes imo. With XP, it was such a pain on my laptop, because i was accessing so many different networks so frequently. Eventually i discovered Mobile Net Switch for XP, but it's good to know that Vista is addressing that problem. I am finding it somewhat buggy atm, and there's still things i'm confused about, so i can't say whether it'll be superior to say Mobile Net Switch.

About time there's proper font scaling too. This is going to be a big help with laptops and the popularity that HTPCs are getting.

And search... OMG OMG OMG so much better. And it simply makes sense to integrate Search and Run together. And it finds results while you're typing! If i'm typing in 'control userpasswords' to get to that section, while i'm typing in CON, it'll start finding results... it'll find things that are relevant on my computer that starts with CON, such as Control Panel, various CONsoles, CONtrollers... and files that starts with that... networks that i'm connected to that contain things with CON, and even users in my IM. And the best part, it doesn't interfere with what i'm doing, and the more i type, the more define the results are.

Almost everything is better in Vista. Even things like Event Viewer which i rarely used, i noticed it's set up to be a bit more intuitive. I won't say there aren't problems, because there are. UAC is a real pain. You should only be prompted with UAC for significant or important changes... not to do something as simple as deleting a shortcut or renaming a .jpg. And if you do, you shouldn't need to agree to multiple windows! And if you make UAC such a common occurence, people are just going to click on Continue or Yes mindlessly each time they see it, so that when it does matter, when UAC would have helped prevented problems, people are going to miss that warning.

It's a big upgrade from XP imo. And long overdue. It's a real shame it will be missing functionality that was promised years ago, but i'll take it as it is rather than wait another 3-4 years. And there are still other features i haven't really had time to explore yet, like Shadow Copying... not only can it make an entire image of your computer to restore, instead of just registry and settings like in XP restore, but it also creates point-in-time copies of actual files that you're working on!

Personally, i think Vista is as big an upgrade as XP was from 98. Maybe more so.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm getting it, it's a significant upgrade from XP imo. First, visually it's so much better. I just don't mean Aero, which is sweet, but also the way the windows are set up now. For examples, the menus are now hidden but easily accessible. I never used File, Edit, Tools, etc often in most windows... and in programs that you do use them often, like in Office, it's set up to be even MORE accessible than it was previously.

And navigating through explorer (Computer) is better imo. At first i thought missing tree view would be a problem, but then i realized that even in XP, i had multiple windows open and trees really weren't necessary. With the way the 'address bar' in explorer works, it's actually quicker to navigate around. And having a favorite links is great too.

Networking is one of the best changes imo. With XP, it was such a pain on my laptop, because i was accessing so many different networks so frequently. Eventually i discovered Mobile Net Switch for XP, but it's good to know that Vista is addressing that problem. I am finding it somewhat buggy atm, and there's still things i'm confused about, so i can't say whether it'll be superior to say Mobile Net Switch.

About time there's proper font scaling too. This is going to be a big help with laptops and the popularity that HTPCs are getting.

And search... OMG OMG OMG so much better. And it simply makes sense to integrate Search and Run together. And it finds results while you're typing! If i'm typing in 'control userpasswords' to get to that section, while i'm typing in CON, it'll start finding results... it'll find things that are relevant on my computer that starts with CON, such as Control Panel, various CONsoles, CONtrollers... and files that starts with that... networks that i'm connected to that contain things with CON, and even users in my IM. And the best part, it doesn't interfere with what i'm doing, and the more i type, the more define the results are.

Almost everything is better in Vista. Even things like Event Viewer which i rarely used, i noticed it's set up to be a bit more intuitive. I won't say there aren't problems, because there are. UAC is a real pain. You should only be prompted with UAC for significant or important changes... not to do something as simple as deleting a shortcut or renaming a .jpg. And if you do, you shouldn't need to agree to multiple windows! And if you make UAC such a common occurence, people are just going to click on Continue or Yes mindlessly each time they see it, so that when it does matter, when UAC would have helped prevented problems, people are going to miss that warning.

It's a big upgrade from XP imo. And long overdue. It's a real shame it will be missing functionality that was promised years ago, but i'll take it as it is rather than wait another 3-4 years. And there are still other features i haven't really had time to explore yet, like Shadow Copying... not only can it make an entire image of your computer to restore, instead of just registry and settings like in XP restore, but it also creates point-in-time copies of actual files that you're working on!

Personally, i think Vista is as big an upgrade as XP was from 98. Maybe more so.

I cant believe I just agreed with looney. :shocked:

Im am so waiting for Vista.

 

[EndGame]

I'll be getting it as soon as it's available. Seen enough testing it to know it's something I want.

 

[stash]

For UAC pain, read this and then please file bugs.

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

pending gaming or 3D Studio Max support (depending upon what video card I have installed at the time), I plan on getting it on one or both machines.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Looney
I'm getting it, it's a significant upgrade from XP imo. First, visually it's so much better. I just don't mean Aero, which is sweet, but also the way the windows are set up now. For examples, the menus are now hidden but easily accessible. I never used File, Edit, Tools, etc often in most windows... and in programs that you do use them often, like in Office, it's set up to be even MORE accessible than it was previously.

And navigating through explorer (Computer) is better imo. At first i thought missing tree view would be a problem, but then i realized that even in XP, i had multiple windows open and trees really weren't necessary. With the way the 'address bar' in explorer works, it's actually quicker to navigate around. And having a favorite links is great too.

Networking is one of the best changes imo. With XP, it was such a pain on my laptop, because i was accessing so many different networks so frequently. Eventually i discovered Mobile Net Switch for XP, but it's good to know that Vista is addressing that problem. I am finding it somewhat buggy atm, and there's still things i'm confused about, so i can't say whether it'll be superior to say Mobile Net Switch.

About time there's proper font scaling too. This is going to be a big help with laptops and the popularity that HTPCs are getting.

And search... OMG OMG OMG so much better. And it simply makes sense to integrate Search and Run together. And it finds results while you're typing! If i'm typing in 'control userpasswords' to get to that section, while i'm typing in CON, it'll start finding results... it'll find things that are relevant on my computer that starts with CON, such as Control Panel, various CONsoles, CONtrollers... and files that starts with that... networks that i'm connected to that contain things with CON, and even users in my IM. And the best part, it doesn't interfere with what i'm doing, and the more i type, the more define the results are.

Almost everything is better in Vista. Even things like Event Viewer which i rarely used, i noticed it's set up to be a bit more intuitive. I won't say there aren't problems, because there are. UAC is a real pain. You should only be prompted with UAC for significant or important changes... not to do something as simple as deleting a shortcut or renaming a .jpg. And if you do, you shouldn't need to agree to multiple windows! And if you make UAC such a common occurence, people are just going to click on Continue or Yes mindlessly each time they see it, so that when it does matter, when UAC would have helped prevented problems, people are going to miss that warning.

It's a big upgrade from XP imo. And long overdue. It's a real shame it will be missing functionality that was promised years ago, but i'll take it as it is rather than wait another 3-4 years. And there are still other features i haven't really had time to explore yet, like Shadow Copying... not only can it make an entire image of your computer to restore, instead of just registry and settings like in XP restore, but it also creates point-in-time copies of actual files that you're working on!

Personally, i think Vista is as big an upgrade as XP was from 98. Maybe more so.

I cant believe I just agreed with looney. :shocked:

Im am so waiting for Vista.

I use linux, so I already have all those features.

We will be upgrading to Vista at work though. But not until after the server version is out and at least a service pack for it. I'll probably roll in the upgrade to the servers first, and then the workstations.

 

[Link19]

Personally, i think Vista is as big an upgrade as XP was from 98. Maybe more so.

FLAT OUT NOT TRUE!! Windows XP is still a version of Windows NT as Vista will be, so they will be a lot more like each other than POS Windows 98/ME were like XP. It should have been required for users of POS Windows 98/ME to upgrade to at least Windows 2000. But Windows XP should stay around for a long long time even after Vista is released because Windows XP is already a good OS.

Yes, Vista is certaibly a bigger upgrade from Windows XP than was Windows XP from Windows 2000. But I wouldn't even consider going from Windows 98 to XP an upgrade. I would have considered it a significant and required change to a whole completely different far superior based OS in Windows NT.

 

[OSX]

I'm not going to upgrade to Vista. Aero looks stupid, with massive amounts of stupid eye candy. OMG OMG I CAN DO TEH TRANZPARENT WINDOWS!!!11111.

 

[dguy6789]

Going from Windows XP to Windows Vista is a larger jump than going from Windows 98 to Windows XP. Anyone who doubts this should read the following article in full. My uncle works for MS and can get me a copy of any version of Vista for cheap. I will likely get it within days of launch.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931913,00.asp

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Link19

Personally, i think Vista is as big an upgrade as XP was from 98. Maybe more so.

FLAT OUT NOT TRUE!! Windows XP is still a version of Windows NT as Vista will be, so they will be a lot more like each other than POS Windows 98/ME were like XP. It should have been required for users of POS Windows 98/ME to upgrade to at least Windows 2000. But Windows XP should stay around for a long long time even after Vista is released because Windows XP is already a good OS.

Yes, Vista is certaibly a bigger upgrade from Windows XP than was Windows XP from Windows 2000. But I wouldn't even consider going from Windows 98 to XP an upgrade. I would have considered it a significant and required change to a whole completely different far superior based OS in Windows NT.

Yes exactly, blackcomb or vienna as its now called will be the next BIG update, it will be like ME --> XP, dont over estimate vista, its not THAT good. The only reason most will get it is because of DX10 etc, stuff that wont be released for windows XP. Besides DX10 isnt actually part of the OS its just somthing that happens to come along with it. If it came out for XP a lot less people would be buying vista.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Going from Windows XP to Windows Vista is a larger jump than going from Windows 98 to Windows XP. Anyone who doubts this should read the following article in full. My uncle works for MS and can get me a copy of any version of Vista for cheap. I will likely get it within days of launch.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931913,00.asp

WHA?!?! How can you say that??

Its already been said, 2000, XP and vista are all based off of the original NT kernel. Windows 98 was based off of the old dos kernel, plus many things wouldnt run on XP whereas they would run on 98 before, this shouldnt be a problem with vista though.

Ive already read that article and im not one of the "AYE H8 VISTA" gang, it looks nice, but its not gonna be THAT big a jump. 98 --> XP was a massive jump, there probably wont be anything rivalling that for many years until vienna or its successor comes out. Going from regular instability and random bluescreens to rock solid stability and compatibility with almost everything is a massive step and it wont be equalled anytime soon, especially by vista.

Windows Vista, Its nice... Its not amazing!!

 

[Seeruk]

Lots of good stuff, lots of stuff I don't like...

As always my timing of any upgrade will be completely determined by hardware support

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Going from Windows XP to Windows Vista is a larger jump than going from Windows 98 to Windows XP. Anyone who doubts this should read the following article in full. My uncle works for MS and can get me a copy of any version of Vista for cheap. I will likely get it within days of launch.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931913,00.asp

WHA?!?! How can you say that??

Its already been said, 2000, XP and vista are all based off of the original NT kernel. Windows 98 was based off of the old dos kernel, plus many things wouldnt run on XP whereas they would run on 98 before, this shouldnt be a problem with vista though.

Ive already read that article and im not one of the "AYE H8 VISTA" gang, it looks nice, but its not gonna be THAT big a jump. 98 --> XP was a massive jump, there probably wont be anything rivalling that for many years until vienna or its successor comes out. Going from regular instability and random bluescreens to rock solid stability and compatibility with almost everything is a massive step and it wont be equalled anytime soon, especially by vista.

Windows Vista, Its nice... Its not amazing!!

Vista is going to be a bigger change from XP than XP was from 98. The move to XP from 98 didn't really add too much actual functionality, it was more a stability/security upgrade. Just take a look at things like the file explorer in XP and 98, then Vista and XP. Do the same thing to the desktop, networking, backup system, admin system, display etc. Sure, XP was obviously an upgrade from 98 in many places, but not to the extent Vista will be from XP.

I like to think that 9x brought ease to computing. And XP made integrating hardware easier with true Plug and Play. And with Vista, it's going to take networking (home and internet... which will blur in the near future) to the next level. We haven't seen what Live! will be like in Vista yet, but if it can make a console so awesome, i can't imagine what the possibilities for computers will be.

For example, the other day i connected my laptop to my 360 system. First i connected my projector to my laptop, and guess what automatically happened? My laptop automatically enabled TV-out and resized my fvcking resolutions on my displays!! I couldn't believe it as it was happening. Then when i connected my computer to the network, it automatically detected my 360 and started setting up a network sharing between my 360 and laptop! So i could access all the videos and music on my laptop from my 360!!

Live! is going to be big if it actually works. If i'm on my laptop, anybody on MSN or Live! will know i'm on my laptop. If i move to my couch where my 360 is, then they'll know i'm on my 360. And if i go out, MSN is on my cell phone. 360 already has video calling. And so does the 3G phones that are coming out now!