Violation: Your vehicle is illegally parked

[Ness]

To be honest, if there are no signs posted, you should have at least asked someone if it was okay to leave it there overnight, and if it wasn't, you coulda paid for a friend to get a cab to the bar and drive you two home in the car.

Yes, I agree, it's a bar, responsibility, all that stuff, but it might be that they don't want you to leave your car there because they've had incidents where cars were broken into and someone tried to hold them liable, and you have to sign a form saying they aren't before you can leave it there "safely".

I know, it sounds a little farfetched, but any smart bar owner wouldn't want their patrons to get DUIs and have to remain sober for a probationary period

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: Confused
I had one of those stickers put on my car when I parked in an un-marked bay at the train station one day. The next day, took it into college and put it on the windscreen of this girl there who thought she owned the place. She went out to the playground (where she'd parked her POS Ford Ka), saw the sticker on her windscreen, read it, ripped it off and went into the common room shouting her head off "how can they do this? why me? blah blah blah". Then she jumped in her car and went storming out of college.

About an hour later when she came back, she was bitching to the secretary there, and she said that yeah, they were getting wheelclamps in soon (continued the story), which pissed this girl off no end

That was a good day

minendo, kudos on not driving home, shame about all the flaming idiots here

Oh, and if you've still got the sticker, keep it for a bit of fun with someone you don't like


Confused

I forgot this is America. You're never responsible for your own action.

You know what, I can see what the attitude is like for all of you. Let's not plan ahead. Let's just have someone else pick up the slack for us. Let's have someone else worry about our problems.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

 

[Jittles]

My sister had her car towed from a bar once, no warning, no nothing. Left it overnight and it was gone the next morning.

 

[Yossarian]

well he didn't get towed so it's kinda moot. but the warning is there that next time you should have a designated driver.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

um no. if someone broke into the car, or stole it, and i expected the bar owner to pay, that would be expecting him to be responsible for the car. letting someone park overnight after they have patronized your business, and not threating to tow, is not asking them to be repsonsible. its just being courteous since the owner just made some money off of them.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
It's amazing how many idiots there are on the forum... Kudos minendo.

Bill

Hey, it's ATOT -- the internet forum where 15 year-old trolls (kt) preach about how it's better to drink and drive than to leave your car in the parking lot.

:disgust:

kt, you just don't seem to get it. I know you're not really telling people to drink and drive, but at some suburban bar with plenty of parking space, it's usually recognized that the bar owner should provide overnight parking. In fact, many bars encourage it, sponsoring cab rides and telling people to leave their cars, etc. The owner of this bar simply is not with the program, and I think he needs a letter from MADD and/or the local sheriff.

Kudos on the good move, minendo. Even if the asshole bar owner would have towed your car -- that's better than DUI anyday.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

um no. if someone broke into the car, or stole it, and i expected the bar owner to pay, that would be expecting him to be responsible for the car. letting someone park overnight after they have patronized your business, and not threating to tow, is not asking them to be repsonsible. its just being courteous since the owner just made some money off of them.

You know what? You may be right, it would be courteous by the owner to do so. But that's not what my original argument is about and you're still arguing over responsibilities.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

um no. if someone broke into the car, or stole it, and i expected the bar owner to pay, that would be expecting him to be responsible for the car. letting someone park overnight after they have patronized your business, and not threating to tow, is not asking them to be repsonsible. its just being courteous since the owner just made some money off of them.

You know what? You may be right, it would be courteous by the owner to do so. But that's not what my original argument is about and you're still arguing over responsibilities.

reading....comprehension......practice it.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aRCeNiTe
It's amazing how many idiots there are on the forum... Kudos minendo.

Bill

Hey, it's ATOT -- the internet forum where 15 year-old trolls (kt) preach about how it's better to drink and drive than to leave your car in the parking lot.

:disgust:

kt, you just don't seem to get it. I know you're not really telling people to drink and drive, but at some suburban bar with plenty of parking space, it's usually recognized that the bar owner should provide overnight parking. In fact, many bars encourage it, sponsoring cab rides and telling people to leave their cars, etc. The owner of this bar simply is not with the program, and I think he needs a letter from MADD and/or the local sheriff.

Kudos on the good move, minendo. Even if the asshole bar owner would have towed your car -- that's better than DUI anyday.

Please Vic, stop making an ass out of yourself. Take some time and read what I wrote in this thread. Grow up and stop calling anyone who you don't agree with a 15-year old troll.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

Reading comprehension is just fine here. Check yours.
no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

um no. if someone broke into the car, or stole it, and i expected the bar owner to pay, that would be expecting him to be responsible for the car. letting someone park overnight after they have patronized your business, and not threating to tow, is not asking them to be repsonsible. its just being courteous since the owner just made some money off of them.

You know what? You may be right, it would be courteous by the owner to do so. But that's not what my original argument is about and you're still arguing over responsibilities.

reading....comprehension......practice it.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Check yours.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: kt
Please Vic, stop making an ass out of yourself. Take some time and read what I wrote in this thread. Grow up and stop calling anyone who you don't agree with a 15-year old troll.

Heh... now that's the best pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long while...

And if you read the first page, you will see that the general opinion is overwhelmingly against you. And for good reason. You have a decent point, that people should use designated drivers, and I'll agree to that even though it isn't always practical. But absent that, they shouldn't be forced to drive their car home drunk because otherwise the bar owner in suburban West Lafayette, IN, where the spaces from 2am to 10am Sunday morning would be empty anyway, is going to have the car towed.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: geno
So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.

Reading comprehension is just fine here. Check yours.
no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.

He got a warning, not towed.

yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.

It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!

im not arguing responsibility, im saying the bar owner is a d!ck. the OP is responsible for his car, and no one else. but when you own a bar, i think you can expect poeple to get drunk :Q and leave their car. why threaten to tow?

You said you're not arguing for responsibility, yet you just pretty much said it's the bar owner's responsibility to baby sit the cars left behind by their patrons.

um no. if someone broke into the car, or stole it, and i expected the bar owner to pay, that would be expecting him to be responsible for the car. letting someone park overnight after they have patronized your business, and not threating to tow, is not asking them to be repsonsible. its just being courteous since the owner just made some money off of them.

You know what? You may be right, it would be courteous by the owner to do so. But that's not what my original argument is about and you're still arguing over responsibilities.

reading....comprehension......practice it.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Check yours.

yeah, i see where i said its the owners responsibility. i said he should wash and wax all cars left in his lot, too.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: kt
Please Vic, stop making an ass out of yourself. Take some time and read what I wrote in this thread. Grow up and stop calling anyone who you don't agree with a 15-year old troll.

Heh... now that's the best pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long while...

And if you read the first page, you will see that the general opinion is overwhelmingly against you. And for good reason. You have a decent point, that people should use designated drivers, and I'll agree to that even though it isn't always practical. But absent that, they shouldn't be forced to drive their car home drunk because otherwise the bar owner in suburban West Lafayette, IN, where the spaces from 2am to 10am Sunday morning would be empty anyway, is going to have the car towed.

Vic, don't put words in my mouth. Where in this WHOLE thread did I say he should "be forced to drive [his] car home drunk"? If you read my first post, I suggested to him to use a designated driver to avoid putting himself in this dilemma in the future. My argument has been that since, but people here have the tendency to say that he shouldn't have to worry about having a designated driver and that everyone out there should be picking up his slack. If you think it's too inconvenient to have a designated driver, maybe going out to get drunk is *gasp* inconvenient, too? What have we come to when it's too much to ask an adult to be a just a little bit responsible?

 

[Platypus]

As a friend, I say Mike did the absolute right thing by not endangering the lives of others. The bar owners should not have done what they did.

And to kt: grow up, soon, once you realize how the real world works you cannot always make these decisions prior to them happening. Come to me after one of your good friends got hit by a drunk driver and was killed and tell me what you said, such as a case that happened to me, that he made the wrong decision. I can't hear you.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: kt
Please Vic, stop making an ass out of yourself. Take some time and read what I wrote in this thread. Grow up and stop calling anyone who you don't agree with a 15-year old troll.

Heh... now that's the best pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long while...

And if you read the first page, you will see that the general opinion is overwhelmingly against you. And for good reason. You have a decent point, that people should use designated drivers, and I'll agree to that even though it isn't always practical. But absent that, they shouldn't be forced to drive their car home drunk because otherwise the bar owner in suburban West Lafayette, IN, where the spaces from 2am to 10am Sunday morning would be empty anyway, is going to have the car towed.

Vic, don't put words in my mouth. Where in this WHOLE thread did I say he should "be forced to drive [his] car home drunk"? If you read my first post, I suggested to him to use a designated driver to avoid putting himself in this dilemma in the future. My argument has been that since, but people here have the tendency to say that he shouldn't have to worry about having a designated driver and that everyone out there should be picking up his slack. If you think it's too inconvenient to have a designated driver, maybe going out to get drunk is *gasp* inconvenient, too? What have we come to when it's too much to ask an adult to be a just a little bit responsible?

how is the BO taking up the OPs slack by letting him leave his car? how does that hurt the BO?

my wife and i never use DDs. we take a cab. and ive never gotten a warning or towed, not once.

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
As a friend, I say Mike did the absolute right thing by not endangering the lives of others. The bar owners should not have done what they did.

And to kt: grow up, soon, once you realize how the real world works you cannot always make these decisions prior to them happening. Come to me after one of your good friends got hit by a drunk driver and was killed and tell me what you said, such as a case that happened to me, that he made the wrong decision. I can't hear you.

CorporateRecreation:
My good friend from highschool got killed by a drunk driver. So, don't pull that card on me. I am not trying to change the world, but simply giving him what I think is the best advice. What is the harm in that?

 

[kt]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: kt
Please Vic, stop making an ass out of yourself. Take some time and read what I wrote in this thread. Grow up and stop calling anyone who you don't agree with a 15-year old troll.

Heh... now that's the best pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a long while...

And if you read the first page, you will see that the general opinion is overwhelmingly against you. And for good reason. You have a decent point, that people should use designated drivers, and I'll agree to that even though it isn't always practical. But absent that, they shouldn't be forced to drive their car home drunk because otherwise the bar owner in suburban West Lafayette, IN, where the spaces from 2am to 10am Sunday morning would be empty anyway, is going to have the car towed.

Vic, don't put words in my mouth. Where in this WHOLE thread did I say he should "be forced to drive [his] car home drunk"? If you read my first post, I suggested to him to use a designated driver to avoid putting himself in this dilemma in the future. My argument has been that since, but people here have the tendency to say that he shouldn't have to worry about having a designated driver and that everyone out there should be picking up his slack. If you think it's too inconvenient to have a designated driver, maybe going out to get drunk is *gasp* inconvenient, too? What have we come to when it's too much to ask an adult to be a just a little bit responsible?

how is the BO taking up the OPs slack by letting him leave his car? how does that hurt the BO?

my wife and i never use DDs. we take a cab. and ive never gotten a warning or towed, not once.

Cab driver is your DD.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: kt
Cab driver is your DD.

And what guarantee is there that your cab driver is not tanked or stoned?

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: kt
Cab driver is your DD.

Which pretty much contradicts most of your past arguments, no?

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: kt
Cab driver is your DD.

And what guarantee is there that your cab driver is not tanked or stoned?

You are really grasping at straws there.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: PipBoy

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: kt
Cab driver is your DD.

And what guarantee is there that your cab driver is not tanked or stoned?

You are really grasping at straws there.

I may be, but it has happened before.

 

[rgwalt]

Good work minendo. You made a good call. The fact that the bar will tow your car if you leave it there is rediculous. They can't be expected to act like a free parking lot, but at the same time they should let you leave your car there if you are too drunk to drive. To the people saying he should have planned ahead, that isn't the point... The point is that if you know your car is going to be towed, you are much more likely to drive drunk. Whose fault is that? It is the person's fault for not having a DD, but it is also the bar's fault. If you want to solve the problem of drunk driving, you can't absolve the bar of responsibility and place all the blame on the patron.

R

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: kt

Originally posted by: jwells777
Wow...I can't believe the reaction people are giving to someone who made a responsible decision. In my area, I believe bars can be held liable for allowing patrons to drive while obviously intoxicated. There are also several ordinances aimed to prevent such incidents. If a bar around here maintained a towing policy, I am fairly certain that would be construed as encouraging drunk driving and they would be in a whole heap of trouble. Now, I can understand saying you can't leave your car more than 24 hours or something but otherwise that is a really bad policy for the bar owner to have.

Obviously, that night he was sober enough to make the right decision. Who knows what would've happened if he had more than a couple of drinks? I am not taking the bartenders/bar owners side on this matter. The fact is he b!tching about the warning he got because of his lack of foresight annoys me.

What do you mean lack of foresight? Maybe presumptions, since i would have presumed the same thing. Heck, 20 other drivers presumed the same thing as well that night. It's commonsense to me that people leave their vehicles when they're too drunk to drive.

So, it's a common sense when you know you'll be drinking and not have anyone sober enough to drive?

Are you really unable to comprehend stuff, or are you just acting stupid for comedy sakes? Commonsense that most bar owners expect people to leave their vehicles behind when they get too drunk.

I comprehend just fine, but I can't say the same for you. Since when has it become a common sense that bar owners are supposed to baby sit your car for you? Maybe bar owners should open up a day care center so they could baby sit their childrens while they get drunk.

Do I need to pound into your so called brain the idea of having a designated driver is the best thing to do?

What babysitting are you talking about? All people are doing is leaving their car in the parking lot, then moving it in the morning. Maybe to you that might be considered work, but to me it's just common courtesy.

Again, a comprehension problem. Nowhere in the thread did anybody say a designated driver was bad or not the best thing to do. The argument here is whether it's wrong to leave your vehicle overnight in the parking lot if you're too drunk to drive.