And if you read my respond real slowly, I am telling you your question is irrelevant.
I am offering them a solution on what to do next time. They drove to a bar with the intention of consuming alcohol. They left their car behind (good decision). Now they are blaming the bartender for THEIR hindsight.
Wow...I can't believe the reaction people are giving to someone who made a responsible decision. In my area, I believe bars can be held liable for allowing patrons to drive while obviously intoxicated. There are also several ordinances aimed to prevent such incidents. If a bar around here maintained a towing policy, I am fairly certain that would be construed as encouraging drunk driving and they would be in a whole heap of trouble. Now, I can understand saying you can't leave your car more than 24 hours or something but otherwise that is a really bad policy for the bar owner to have.
Yeah, i can't believe a bar with a policy like that actually stays in business. They should have signs in their parking lot saying that they will not tolerate vehicles left behind overnight, then see how their business does. But this is the same thing, i doubt many people will revisit that bar after having that warning.
Obviously, that night he was sober enough to make the right decision. Who knows what would've happened if he had more than a couple of drinks? I am not taking the bartenders/bar owners side on this matter. The fact is he b!tching about the warning he got because of his lack of foresight annoys me.
What do you mean lack of foresight? Maybe presumptions, since i would have presumed the same thing. Heck, 20 other drivers presumed the same thing as well that night. It's commonsense to me that people leave their vehicles when they're too drunk to drive.
So, it's a common sense when you know you'll be drinking and not have anyone sober enough to drive?
Zenmervolt
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Not around here. Back home in the middle of nowhere, yes. But where I am in Pittsburgh most bars don't even have parking, let along overnight.
ZV
You should only be annoyed with a lack of foresight if you think it a reasonable expectation for a bar to have such a policy. I certainly would be completely blind sided if I encountered such a policy at a bar (particularly if it wasn't blatantly marked somewhere). A comparable situation, where the drinking aspect is removed since this forum seems to be heavily anti-liqour, would be this: I park every day to pick up my mail from the post office in one of 25 parking spaces in front of the post office. Normally, I would be in and out in 5 minutes but today I had to fill out a large packing slip and it took me 20 minutes. I return to my car in spot 17 to find a warning on my vehicle stating that I am lucky not to be towed because, unbeknownst to me and not posted anywhere, spot 17 has a 15 minute parking limit unlike any other spots.
Now I complain about it, and you state that I should have had the foresight to realize that I would be in the post office for 20 minutes and figured out an alternative parking arrangement.
Are you really unable to comprehend stuff, or are you just acting stupid for comedy sakes? Commonsense that most bar owners expect people to leave their vehicles behind when they get too drunk.
I think you're wrong on that. I don't know for sure, and unless you've had experienced of leaving or asking bar owners if you may leave vehicles behind overnight, then you're just taking assumptions (based on the rationale that a lot of bars don't even have parking lots???). I just find it hard to believe that with the popularity of drinking, and with all the anti-drunk driving attention that exists, that that's common practice.
geno
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So, some of you guys think it's the Owner's responsibility to let their bar be used as a parking lot? Here's a clue: It's the driver's responsibility to be responsible enough to plan things out correctly. Don't expect someone else to pick the slack up for you, cause you got drunk when you didn't plan to. You think that bar owners are bad for enforcing a towing policy? It's not their responsibility to help out people who can't plan correctly.
I comprehend just fine, but I can't say the same for you. Since when has it become a common sense that bar owners are supposed to baby sit your car for you? Maybe bar owners should open up a day care center so they could baby sit their childrens while they get drunk.
Do I need to pound into your so called brain the idea of having a designated driver is the best thing to do?
no, not his responsibility. but no need for him to be a d!ck either. what happens when he tows all the cars, or these people get duis or die? why loose patrons because someone leaves a car overnight? if it sits for a few days, sure tow it. but one night? after they just patronized your business? little too anal for me.
I'll make no assertions about where I feel the responsibility lies, I will state that in IL the law has been evolving towards the bar owner at least sharing the responsibility of ensuring that their patrons do not injure themselves or others. This is part of the cost of running a bar (which can be a very profitable business around here). If you as a bar owner feel compelled to encourage a patron to drive home, or his car will be towed, and that patron were involved in an accident, you would almost certainly be sued for damages. Realistically, in this state, I would wager the odds of being found liable as the bar owner would be between 60-70 percent.
And if the bar owner managed to escape legal liability, he would still be a schmuck and his business would likely suffer as mentioned previously by a few posters.
yeah, i know. but since they have his plate #, they gonna tow it next time its left overnight? just making the point that 12hrs is a little short to try to bust some balls.
Confused
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I had one of those stickers put on my car when I parked in an un-marked bay at the train station one day. The next day, took it into college and put it on the windscreen of this girl there who thought she owned the place. She went out to the playground (where she'd parked her POS Ford Ka), saw the sticker on her windscreen, read it, ripped it off and went into the common room shouting her head off "how can they do this? why me? blah blah blah". Then she jumped in her car and went storming out of college.
About an hour later when she came back, she was bitching to the secretary there, and she said that yeah, they were getting wheelclamps in soon (continued the story), which pissed this girl off no end
That was a good day
minendo, kudos on not driving home, shame about all the flaming idiots here
Oh, and if you've still got the sticker, keep it for a bit of fun with someone you don't like
Confused
About an hour later when she came back, she was bitching to the secretary there, and she said that yeah, they were getting wheelclamps in soon (continued the story), which pissed this girl off no end
That was a good day
minendo, kudos on not driving home, shame about all the flaming idiots here
Oh, and if you've still got the sticker, keep it for a bit of fun with someone you don't like
Confused
It is besides the point trying to argue who shares what responsibilities. I said it before and I will say it again, to avoid situation like this just plan ahead and have a designated driver if you plan to drink!
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