View homosexual film, or school faces lawsuit

[wiin]

So this is why you are proud of the ACLU

The All Communist Litigators Union is threatening to take the school to court, unless of course, the school can force the students to watch the film. Per the article, about 105 of 730 middle school students refused to watch the film while 145 of 971 high school students did not want to see the film.

I hope thePetition to get the communist union from getting money from taxpayers goes through.

 

[yllus]

*scratches head* It bites that middle schools have become politicized to this extent.

 

[Strk]

It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

 

[AFB]

I see no reason why you should be forced to watch it.

 

[wiin]

Strk saif:

It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

So you believe that it is ok for you to have a choice but it is not ok for others? And you don't find it a bit hypocritical that the communist union preach about tolerance but they themsleves do not believe in it?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Strk
It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

Middle School kids will have a field day with it. Tolerance?? Yeah right!

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: wiin
Strk saif:

It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

So you believe that it is ok for you to have a choice but it is not ok for others? And you don't find it a bit hypocritical that the communist union preach about tolerance but they themsleves do not believe in it?

Will you stop with the damn "communist union" crap. If asking for equal protection from laws is Communist, then damn it I'm Communist and I think quite a few other people here are too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: wiin
Strk saif:

It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

So you believe that it is ok for you to have a choice but it is not ok for others? And you don't find it a bit hypocritical that the communist union preach about tolerance but they themsleves do not believe in it?

Will you stop with the damn "communist union" crap.

Let him keep it up as it makes him sound like a loon which results in nobody taking anything he has to say seriously.

 

[f95toli]

Since when are school kids allowed to choose what they want watch?
If it is in the school curriculum the school can -and should- "force" the kids to watch it, just as the school "forces" kids to learn about history or math.

 

[SuperTool]

So there is another ACLU out there, aside from the American Civil Liberties Union?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: wiin
Strk saif:

It is a video about tolerance, I don't see an issue with it.

So you believe that it is ok for you to have a choice but it is not ok for others? And you don't find it a bit hypocritical that the communist union preach about tolerance but they themsleves do not believe in it?

It is a public school where kids are being taught many things they don't have much of a choice about. Also, while I don't agree with the ACLU on many issues, how is promoting tolerance in public schools a bad thing?

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Middle School kids will have a field day with it. Tolerance?? Yeah right!

Well, yeah.

 

[SuperTool]

Ten months ago, the district settled a lawsuit with the ACLU over the right of a student group, the Gay-Straight Alliance, to meet on campus. The year-long litigation strained relations in the conservative northeast portion of the state. In addition to allowing the group to meet on campus after school, district officials agreed that all students, staff and teachers would be required to receive "tolerance training."

So the school agreed to show the film, and now wants to backtrack. If you settle with someone and don't stick to the terms of the settlement, you shouldn't be surprised when you face legal action.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
So there is another ACLU out there, aside from the American Civil Liberties Union?

There must be. It is hard to imagine blinders that would keep somebody from seeing the blessings of liberty that have been fought for my the ACLU. So much for the free marketplace of ideas and the informed populace.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Ten months ago, the district settled a lawsuit with the ACLU over the right of a student group, the Gay-Straight Alliance, to meet on campus. The year-long litigation strained relations in the conservative northeast portion of the state. In addition to allowing the group to meet on campus after school, district officials agreed that all students, staff and teachers would be required to receive "tolerance training."

So the school agreed to show the film, and now wants to backtrack. If you settle with someone and don't stick to the terms of the settlement, you shouldn't be surprised when you face legal action.

I don't see how the school can legally commit the students to some thing without their consent. The teachers and staff i can see since they are employees and subject to school policy as a condition of their employment. The students status on the other hand is somewhat different than employees. They are in reality the customer of the enterprise. Unless this forced tolerance training can somehow be justified as mandated curriculum I don't see how any agreement by the district can be enforced on the students. I think i would classify this as one of those opt out things like sex ed. If the parents do not want the students participating that is their prerogative. No way any agreement by the district is binding on the students without the agreement of the custodial guardians of those students.

 

[Tom]

As Supertool said, it isn't the ACLU that decides these cases.

By attacking the ACLU what you are really attacking is the system that allows both sides of an issue to be heard, and to have competent representation in the hearing of the matter.

 

[Kibbo]

First, I think that we need to get rid of the controversial aspect of this issue. Let's drop the gay thing.

What if there were a video about bullying or safety or something like that.

What if some group of parents disagreed with this video for some reason. Should the children be forced to watch it?

 

[ATIuser]

They want to turn out a new generation of homosexual lawyers to fill their ranks. This is the only way the ACLU can reproduce...

Hate and bigotry are not acceptable here.

Anandtech Moderator

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: ATIuser
They want to turn out a new generation of homosexual lawyers to fill their ranks. This is the only way the ACLU can reproduce...

I'm sure that the forum is thankful for your thoughtful contribution.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: ATIuser
They want to turn out a new generation of homosexual lawyers to fill their ranks. This is the only way the ACLU can reproduce...

I'm not sure whether :disgust: , :laugh: , or :roll: fits better as a response to that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't want the ACLU trying to force issues on kids. Tolerance is one thing. Let people do what they want, but when people try to force things on MY kids, no. Like the saying. "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose". Well this is going beyond letting people live freely. It's taking away my parental choice, my freedom.

No.

 

[dmcowen674]

Forget the Videos, just let the Radical Christian Gay Hating Right infiltrate the Brains of the Kids especially weekly at Church and they'll soon be committing all kinds of hate crimes on the Gays.

That's the New Radical Right Wing America everbody loves and bringing the kids to tow the line.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Forget the Videos, just let the Radical Christian Gay Hating Right infiltrate the Brains of the Kids especially weekly at Church and they'll soon be committing all kinds of hate crimes on the Gays.

That's the New Radical Right Wing America everbody loves and bringing the kids to tow the line.

Ok, now I don't know any of these people, and I know a lot of Christians. Maybe they live in Upper Volta, I don't know. I DO know that the hatred of people who profess a religion particularly Christianity is vitreolic.

Dammit, I can't stand Bush, and a lot of what SOME who say they are Christians, but I have had enough of ignorance on both sides.

If I started posting how gays if allowed to remain unjailed they would rape your kids, my ass would be canned in thirty seconds.

I have been pretty quiet on the gay issue, but I see enough stupidity and hate on the part of people around here that I have had enough of this bull shit.

Gays ARENT going to rape your boys, and Christians who believe homosexuality is wrong ARENT going to be urging hate crimes.

Jesus H. Christ on a bike, this is a dumb ass forum.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Ten months ago, the district settled a lawsuit with the ACLU over the right of a student group, the Gay-Straight Alliance, to meet on campus. The year-long litigation strained relations in the conservative northeast portion of the state. In addition to allowing the group to meet on campus after school, district officials agreed that all students, staff and teachers would be required to receive "tolerance training."

So the school agreed to show the film, and now wants to backtrack. If you settle with someone and don't stick to the terms of the settlement, you shouldn't be surprised when you face legal action.

I don't see how the school can legally commit the students to some thing without their consent. The teachers and staff i can see since they are employees and subject to school policy as a condition of their employment. The students status on the other hand is somewhat different than employees. They are in reality the customer of the enterprise. Unless this forced tolerance training can somehow be justified as mandated curriculum I don't see how any agreement by the district can be enforced on the students. I think i would classify this as one of those opt out things like sex ed. If the parents do not want the students participating that is their prerogative. No way any agreement by the district is binding on the students without the agreement of the custodial guardians of those students.

If that's the case then you cannot force non-English speaking kids to take English or US History, etc...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Ten months ago, the district settled a lawsuit with the ACLU over the right of a student group, the Gay-Straight Alliance, to meet on campus. The year-long litigation strained relations in the conservative northeast portion of the state. In addition to allowing the group to meet on campus after school, district officials agreed that all students, staff and teachers would be required to receive "tolerance training."

So the school agreed to show the film, and now wants to backtrack. If you settle with someone and don't stick to the terms of the settlement, you shouldn't be surprised when you face legal action.

I don't see how the school can legally commit the students to some thing without their consent. The teachers and staff i can see since they are employees and subject to school policy as a condition of their employment. The students status on the other hand is somewhat different than employees. They are in reality the customer of the enterprise. Unless this forced tolerance training can somehow be justified as mandated curriculum I don't see how any agreement by the district can be enforced on the students. I think i would classify this as one of those opt out things like sex ed. If the parents do not want the students participating that is their prerogative. No way any agreement by the district is binding on the students without the agreement of the custodial guardians of those students.

If that's the case then you cannot force non-English speaking kids to take English or US History, etc...

It is not the same thing. What if the school decided to teach history from the Nazi perspective. What if it choose to claim that homosexuality is a psychosis, and gays should be locked up?

This isn't about education. History, english are EDUCATION TOPICS. You cannot get a job without having an education these days. This is yet another effort in social engineering. This is not a school matter, no more than teaching religion in a public school would be. This is best left to family. It is their pervue, not the State.

 

[IGBT]

...tolerance for biological anomalies??...futile attempt to mainstream a broken and deficient disease ridden behaviour..