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Vietnam Army Helicopter Lessons

EVERYTHING I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE I LEARNED AS A HELICOPTER CREW IN VIETNAM.

  • Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if this is a good idea.
  • It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do.
  • NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy.
  • The engine RPM and the rotor RPM must BOTH be kept in the GREEN. Failure to heed this commandment can affect the morale of the crew.
  • Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover for you.
  • Decisions made by someone above you in the chain-of-command will seldom be in your best interest.
  • The terms Protective Armor and Helicopter are mutually exclusive.
  • Sometimes, being good and lucky still is not enough.
  • "Chicken Plates" are not something you order in a restaurant.
  • If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised.
  • Loud, sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention.
  • The BSR (Bang Stare Red) Theory states that the louder the sudden bang in the helicopter, the quicker your eyes will be drawn to the gauges. The longer you stare at the gauges the less time it takes them to move from green to red.
  • No matter what you do, the bullet with your name on it will get you. So, too, can the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern".
  • If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need.
  • If you are wearing body armor, they will probably miss that part.
  • Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.
  • Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day beats the alternative.
  • If you are allergic to lead, it is best to avoid a war zone.
  • It is a bad thing to run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.
  • Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations which, in turn, are better than cold C-rations, which are better than no food at all. All of these, however, are preferable to cold rice balls, even if they do have the little pieces of fish in them.
  • Everybody's a hero ... on the ground ... in the club ... after the fourth drink.
  • A free fire zone has nothing to do with economics.
  • The further you fly into the mountains, the louder the strange engine noises become.
  • Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better.
  • Being shot hurts.
  • "Pucker Factor" is the formal name of the equation that states the more hairy the situation is, the more of the seat cushion will be sucked up your asshole. It can be expressed in its mathematical formula of S (suction) + H (height) above ground) + I (interest in staying alive) + T (# of tracers coming your way)
  • Thus the term 'SH|T!' can also be used to denote a situation where high Pucker Factor is being encountered.
  • Thousands of Vietnam Veterans earned medals for bravery every day. A few were even awarded.
  • Running out of pedal, fore or aft cyclic, or collective are all bad ideas. Any combination of these can be deadly.
  • There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the rules.
  • C-4 can make a dull day fun.
  • There is no such thing as a fair fight-only ones where you win or lose.
  • If you win the battle you are entitled to the spoils. If you lose you don't care.
  • Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing-NOW-to solve our problem.
  • Always make sure someone has a P-38. Uh, that's a can opener for those of you who aren't military.
  • Prayer may not help . . . but it can't hurt.
  • Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these, however, are better than extraction by a Med-Evac, even if it is, technically, a form of flying.
  • If everyone does not come home, none of the rest of us can ever fully come home either.
  • Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR.
  • A grunt is the true reason for the existence of the helicopter. Every helicopter flying in Vietnam had one real purpose: To help the grunt. It is unfortunate that many helicopters never had the opportunity to fulfill their one true mission in life, simply because someone forgot this fact.
  • If you have not been there and done that . . . you probably will not understand most of these.
 
Originally posted by: crab453
I take it you're a rotor head?

Yep...

I take it you haven't read any of my other posts recently? 🙂

Never been in the military, but I am a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly charters for people with way too much money. A lot of fun, very flexable schedule, and I get to play with very expensive toys. What more could I ask for??? 😀

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453
I take it you're a rotor head?

Yep...

I take it you haven't read any of my other posts recently? 🙂

Never been in the military, but I am a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly charters for people with way too much money. A lot of fun, very flexable schedule, and I get to play with very expensive toys. What more could I ask for??? 😀

Grasshopper


more money?
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453
I take it you're a rotor head?

Yep...

I take it you haven't read any of my other posts recently? 🙂

Never been in the military, but I am a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly charters for people with way too much money. A lot of fun, very flexable schedule, and I get to play with very expensive toys. What more could I ask for??? 😀

Grasshopper
can't beat a fast ride with lots of power. well... maybe an f22... but who all gets to fly one of those?
 
Originally posted by: zerocomm

more money?

True, the pay stinks... 😀

Sigh, better than what I used to earn, I make $70/hr flying, but I'm only paid for the actual time in the air. Still, I'm logging about 30 hours a month which is good for this kind of part time work. (do the math and you'll see the pay stinks...)

I'm on call, they page me when they need me. 😛

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix

can't beat a fast ride with lots of power. well... maybe an f22... but who all gets to fly one of those?

Fast ride? I guess everything is relative. 🙂

The Bell 206 flies at about 115 knots, the Bell 407 at about 135 knots. The former costs about $500 per hour to run, the latter nearly $1,000 per hour to run. 😀

As I said, people with way too much money...

I much prefer flying the 407, it has a much nicer cockpit, newer avionics, a better autopilot, etc. It is quieter and faster, much newer too. Becaues of the cost however, I do 80% of my flying in the 206 which is is a 1987 model. Sigh...

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453
I take it you're a rotor head?

Yep...

I take it you haven't read any of my other posts recently? 🙂

Never been in the military, but I am a commercial helicopter pilot, I fly charters for people with way too much money. A lot of fun, very flexable schedule, and I get to play with very expensive toys. What more could I ask for??? 😀

Grasshopper

Nice, good friend of mine flew for a small company here in Philly... Piloted choppers for a few news stations, did charters, and even things like pull aircraft wrecks out of the woods. Amazing pilot.

What do you fly? They ran AS350s, AS355s, and a couple JetRangers.
 
I'd love to be flying an AS350!!! 🙂

Sigh...

I do 80% of my flying in a 15 year old JetRanger. 🙁

Still, I can't complain, I haven't actually worked in years, this is all playing for me. 🙂

I need more twin turbine time, I want to move up into EMS work, but I don't have enough total time or enough twin turbine time.

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
I'd love to be flying an AS350!!! 🙂

Sigh...

I do 80% of my flying in a 15 year old JetRanger. 🙁

Still, I can't complain, I haven't actually worked in years, this is all playing for me. 🙂

I need more twin turbine time, I want to move up into EMS work, but I don't have enough total time or enough twin turbine time.

Grasshopper

The AS350 is a very nice chopper... You can fly around without headsets, and talk to passengers in a relatively normal voice. I never flew a chopper, so I can't speak for anything performance or handling related, but it was an amazingly solid aircraft.
 
Originally posted by: crab453

The AS350 is a very nice chopper... You can fly around without headsets, and talk to passengers in a relatively normal voice. I never flew a chopper, so I can't speak for anything performance or handling related, but it was an amazingly solid aircraft.

Yep, it is... 😀

BTW, please don't call them Choppers, helicopter pilots cannot stand it when they are called that.

Salad Shooters are "Choppers", we fly "Helicopters".

The difference is imporant to us. 😀

Thanks...

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453

The AS350 is a very nice chopper... You can fly around without headsets, and talk to passengers in a relatively normal voice. I never flew a chopper, so I can't speak for anything performance or handling related, but it was an amazingly solid aircraft.

Yep, it is... 😀

BTW, please don't call them Choppers, helicopter pilots cannot stand it when they are called that.

Salad Shooters are "Choppers", we fly "Helicopters".

The difference is imporant to us. 😀

Thanks...

Grasshopper

haha 😱 I knew that too... Can you tell I'm a fixed-wing guy? 😀
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453

haha 😱 I knew that too... Can you tell I'm a fixed-wing guy? 😀

😛

What do you fly? Just for fun, or for a living?

Grasshopper

I flew. I took lessons in the 152, was waiting a few months untill I turned 16 to solo (was ready, just legally too young)... Decided it was wise to dive into a swimming pool and broke my neck.. So, my left seat days are over, but hey I got to fly in a helicopter that day! 😛

I'm now 19, can't get a medical anymore, but I still go up in a buddy's Cardinal... sometimes a Decathlon, Maule etc... Whatever comes along.
 
Originally posted by: crab453

I flew. I took lessons in the 152, was waiting a few months untill I turned 16 to solo (was ready, just legally too young)... Decided it was wise to dive into a swimming pool and broke my neck.. So, my left seat days are over, but hey I got to fly in a helicopter that day! 😛

I'm now 19, can't get a medical anymore, but I still go up in a buddy's Cardinal... sometimes a Decathlon, Maule etc... Whatever comes along.

Bummer, sorry to hear about that. Have you asked an AME about getting a wavier for a 3rd class medical? The FAA sometimes can be talked into it, depending on what the issue is.

Ahh, the Cessna 177, one of my favorites!!! 🙂 What part of the US do you live in?

I did my fixed-wing training in a plain jane 172. Nice enough planes, but I like the 177. More power, sleeker looking, no silly wing struts... 😉

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453

I flew. I took lessons in the 152, was waiting a few months untill I turned 16 to solo (was ready, just legally too young)... Decided it was wise to dive into a swimming pool and broke my neck.. So, my left seat days are over, but hey I got to fly in a helicopter that day! 😛

I'm now 19, can't get a medical anymore, but I still go up in a buddy's Cardinal... sometimes a Decathlon, Maule etc... Whatever comes along.

Bummer, sorry to hear about that. Have you asked an AME about getting a wavier for a 3rd class medical? The FAA sometimes can be talked into it, depending on what the issue is.

Ahh, the Cessna 177, one of my favorites!!! 🙂 What part of the US do you live in?

I did my fixed-wing training in a plain jane 172. Nice enough planes, but I like the 177. More power, sleeker looking, no silly wing struts... 😉

Grasshopper

I LOVE the Cardinal...It's got such a unique personality, she's not just another Cessna high wing.

We fly out of Whitey Lance Airport - Alloway, NJ (NJ02)

You?

 
Originally posted by: crab453

I LOVE the Cardinal...It's got such a unique personality, she's not just another Cessna high wing.

We fly out of Whitey Lance Airport - Alloway, NJ (NJ02)

You?

Yep, shame Cessna gave up on her...

In 1997 when they started building light pistons again, did they bring back the Lady? NO! Stupid SkyHawk! 😉

I'm based near Dallas, TX, they keep the helicopters on a private airfield about 15 miles outside of town.

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453

I LOVE the Cardinal...It's got such a unique personality, she's not just another Cessna high wing.

We fly out of Whitey Lance Airport - Alloway, NJ (NJ02)

You?

Yep, shame Cessna gave up on her...

In 1997 when they started building light pistons again, did they bring back the Lady? NO! Stupid SkyHawk! 😉

I'm based near Dallas, TX, they keep the helicopters on a private airfield about 15 miles outside of town.

Grasshopper

Ahh I may know where you are... He videotaped a trip Philly-Dallas to return an AS355 after the lease was up... Is there a Eurocopter dealer, manufacturer or something of the sort in the area?
 
Originally posted by: crab453

Ahh I may know where you are... He videotaped a trip Philly-Dallas to return an AS355 after the lease was up... Is there a Eurocopter dealer, manufacturer or something of the sort in the area?

Sheesh, small world...

🙂

Yep, Eurocopter has a base here...

Haven't gotten to fly any of them however, they are expensive and I'm poor. 🙁

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: crab453

The AS350 is a very nice chopper... You can fly around without headsets, and talk to passengers in a relatively normal voice. I never flew a chopper, so I can't speak for anything performance or handling related, but it was an amazingly solid aircraft.

Yep, it is... 😀

BTW, please don't call them Choppers, helicopter pilots cannot stand it when they are called that.

Salad Shooters are "Choppers", we fly "Helicopters".

The difference is imporant to us. 😀

Thanks...

Grasshopper
A couple days ago I heard someone get flamed for saying "copter pilots" instead of chopper pilots in vietnam. Now i'm thoroughly confused.

Also, what did they make chicken plates out of? Did they protect worth a damn? I was looking at another thread where someone said that chicken plates were the predecessor to the ceramic trauma plates in ballistic body armor, which is why i'm wondering.
 
One of these days I've got to get a pilot's license. Gyro's probably cost prohibitive though, fixed-wing for me I guess. My father's cousin-in-law owns and flys a Mooney. (He's got just a little bit of money, built up his own environmental consulting firm in the 1980's right before it all took off.)

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
One of these days I've got to get a pilot's license. Gyro's probably cost prohibitive though, fixed-wing for me I guess. My father's cousin-in-law owns and flys a Mooney. (He's got just a little bit of money, built up his own environmental consulting firm in the 1980's right before it all took off.)

ZV

You can get your fixed-wing private certificate (it isn't called a license) for about $5,000. That money includes supplies, flight time, and all the rest.

The cost to get your helicopter private certificate is about three times that, or $15,000. That also includes all the stuff you need. 🙂

Expensive, but fun!

Grasshopper
 
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