LOL!
Go ahead and try and play like you didn't know. You found that link in either an email or some right-wing nutcase website. You never read the link (that's rather obvious).
You pwned yourself! :laugh: :laugh:
shrapnel really flies in a random path? WOW! of course many soldiers would not bother with a purple heart from scratches when others get much more seriously wounded, except of course glory hunting liars.
that tops the list of ignorant statement s i have seen on this board
context of his efforts? like medal hunting to make himself out the hero he is not, then participating in protests displaying the flag of the enemy, then turning out to not have thrown his medals way so he could later tell the ignorant sheep what a hero he is? of course all the deception on his part "does not matter"
by telling more of them? what "lies" are you referring to?
go ahead and laugh, niether of you will be missed...as for bush not going, what exactly does that have to do with kerry?
not a blessed thing, that's what.
CaptnKirk
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I was born in 1960, so yes, I have a recollection of it.
What ? From 5 years old to a Pre-Teeny Bopper makes you an expert ?
It was done & we were gone before you could even know that it happened.
Did you get together with the kids in your neighborhood and play 'Cowboys and Commies'
You don't have a clue, or even know where to buy a clue.
What ? From 5 years old to a Pre-Teeny Bopper makes you an expert ?
It was done & we were gone before you could even know that it happened.
Did you get together with the kids in your neighborhood and play 'Cowboys and Commies'
You don't have a clue, or even know where to buy a clue.
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Funny, that's how I think of you now!
. . . As a precocious nine year old whose computer skillz have amplified your shallow and severely lacking understanding of the world beyond all appropriate measure.
When you first posted this particular piece of trash yesterday, a deep anger welled up inside of me. I couldn't quite understand why. I mean, of all the worthless poo you've flung up here, this lame satrical piece seemed relatively inconsequential.
Still, I kept coming back to it, trying to resist the urge to reply. I even typed out a long response, then ultimately quashed it. Finally (the lovely and talented) Lunar Ray came along, and in a series of heartfelt posts, exposed the source of my all too strong emotions. LR said it all best:
And, yes, there it is. Thank you, LR
My response took a different tack. I was finally fully fed up with your worthless trash. In my quashed post, I asked how much money it would take for you to promise never to come back here again. $1,000? I was willing to put up the first $100. I was certain we could easily raise the rest.
But I knew in my heart you would never actually accept such an offer, so I let it go. I have to let your presence here, and the mindless crap you continually post here, go. I am forced to accept that you have no true idea of the deeper ramifications of the mindless mud you sling.
You don't have the first clue about the terrible, awful depredations of the Vietnam War or of the hundreds of thousands of men who fought in that runaway mistake.
Sometimes I think the nearly 60,000 dead are the lucky ones -- sometimes. At least, hopefully, their souls are at peace. But those many, many more who were maimed -- either physically or psychologically or both -- were also thrown to the endless hounds of hell, and for what?
The Vietnam War was tactical mistake, as I believe this Iraqi war is also. My father, a decorated WWII Navy combat veteran and a life long conservative Republican, was quietly but firmly oppossed to the Vietnam War from the get go.
We all made our choices back then, and many had that choice made for them. John Kerry went and served, and then made sure he got to the front lines of the shooting war. You who have not been under live fire haven't the first fvcking clue! He could just as easily have been killed out there on those narrow rivers, and you somehow make light of that!
You who sit there so safely behind your keyboards 35 years later and let your ideological dislike let you say that John Kerry risked death primarily for some tin make me want to puke. You can't even begin to know what you're talking about.
When his nation needed him, John Kerry served. He put himself in harm's way. For this, he has my knowing and unalloyed respect. I have none for the Dub.
And then Kerry came home and had the courage and integrity to speak out. If personal advancement were his primary goal, he could have easily used his decorated combat status as a ticket to political success. Instead, he risked all to speak the truth. He was the voice for all those kids who had gone there and done awful wrong and were now back in the World and had to figure out how to try and live with themselves, and what they had done.
For ALL of you who think for even one second that there weren't the most abominable atrocities committed in "Nam I can only say YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FVCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
So I have to accept your presence here, Rip, and the crap you post. Them's the rules. Finally realizing that, despite your chronological age, you're just a precocious 9 year old in head and at heart, may somehow help.
You don't realize it, but you sometimes fling your poo on some very sacred ground.
Newsflash:Both Viet Cong and Swift boat veterans agree that Bush should write a book explaining Native American Sovereign Nation state--and how that relates to Bush's pet goat.
Film at 11.
Film at 11.
Don Vito Corleone
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I think he's telling the truth. Chronological age /= maturity level, at least not in this case. It's sad, isn't it?
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CaptnKirk
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So then s'hawk -
An interogator snatching a 6 month old child from the arms of a mother who
was in a suspected Veit Cong village and cutting that child in half with a machete
is a justified defensive mechanism of wanting to stay alive ?
Do you think that the 6 month old child is that much of a threat ?
Maybe there are some power trip egomaniacs that do the wrong things,
in their showing how tough they think they are. Mai Lia is an example.
Thats where atrocities come in - like prisoner abuse.
An interogator snatching a 6 month old child from the arms of a mother who
was in a suspected Veit Cong village and cutting that child in half with a machete
is a justified defensive mechanism of wanting to stay alive ?
Do you think that the 6 month old child is that much of a threat ?
Maybe there are some power trip egomaniacs that do the wrong things,
in their showing how tough they think they are. Mai Lia is an example.
Thats where atrocities come in - like prisoner abuse.
LunarRay
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Perknose said:
Firstly, thanks for your kind words directed to me.
I saw Rip's post and the others he's posted recently about Kerry's Vietnam issues and all sorts of memories came back.. and the emotions of being scared... very.. very scared. Then the reason for all that fear was apparent... it was because I was there and there were lots of other folks there too... And, some of them never came home and others came home but took those 'little scratch' hits like Kerry got but in areas that tore them apart or maybe they were lucky and only a scar remains.
I remember seeing a guy lying on the ground crying... he pointed to his wrist and the blood that was dripping from it... then at the body of another all crumpled and dead.... he was crying because he had been standing beside that other guy when a mortar or grenade or something blew... he was alive and this other guy was dead... I guess that guy was awarded the Purple Heart too... just like Kerry... probably a few of them just like Kerry...
The fact that a fragile human being is placed or requests to be placed in the arena of war is very much more likely to be wounded or killed as a result of being there than the folks who are having a beer in some downtown Conneticut bar. Getting 'hit' or not is not what makes a man a hero.... being there does that... getting hit... well that is a bit of a random event... that no one wants to have happen to them... Not the hero nor the coward!
Firstly, thanks for your kind words directed to me.
I saw Rip's post and the others he's posted recently about Kerry's Vietnam issues and all sorts of memories came back.. and the emotions of being scared... very.. very scared. Then the reason for all that fear was apparent... it was because I was there and there were lots of other folks there too... And, some of them never came home and others came home but took those 'little scratch' hits like Kerry got but in areas that tore them apart or maybe they were lucky and only a scar remains.
I remember seeing a guy lying on the ground crying... he pointed to his wrist and the blood that was dripping from it... then at the body of another all crumpled and dead.... he was crying because he had been standing beside that other guy when a mortar or grenade or something blew... he was alive and this other guy was dead... I guess that guy was awarded the Purple Heart too... just like Kerry... probably a few of them just like Kerry...
The fact that a fragile human being is placed or requests to be placed in the arena of war is very much more likely to be wounded or killed as a result of being there than the folks who are having a beer in some downtown Conneticut bar. Getting 'hit' or not is not what makes a man a hero.... being there does that... getting hit... well that is a bit of a random event... that no one wants to have happen to them... Not the hero nor the coward!
CaptnKirk
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Luney -
I remember the helpless feeling of 'Incoming !' - all the training, all the do this,
get down, cover up, stay down - every thing that you did - it really didn't matter.
Even if you did everything right, you were still at the mercy of the randomness
of each individual round - where you happened to be when it detonated, the pattern
of the fragments. Big ones would cut you up while little ones killed those further away,
and your fate was completely out of your hands, survival was just a random event.
Sometimes you survived only because the person laying prone next to you just
happened to be between the round and your position - if he hadn't dived there for
cover you wouldn't have made it. If the round fell 2 feet shorter, neither would have.
I remember the helpless feeling of 'Incoming !' - all the training, all the do this,
get down, cover up, stay down - every thing that you did - it really didn't matter.
Even if you did everything right, you were still at the mercy of the randomness
of each individual round - where you happened to be when it detonated, the pattern
of the fragments. Big ones would cut you up while little ones killed those further away,
and your fate was completely out of your hands, survival was just a random event.
Sometimes you survived only because the person laying prone next to you just
happened to be between the round and your position - if he hadn't dived there for
cover you wouldn't have made it. If the round fell 2 feet shorter, neither would have.
LunarRay
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Ain't that the truth...
Both are heroes! Both equally as brave and one dead. Tis why I argue that it is insanity to downplay the role of anyone who served there. They are heroes even if they ain't the folks who in a fit of survival while trying to stay alive and help others survive were recognized as being worthy of receiving a Star or Cross or More.. The grunt sloshing in a rice paddy, climbing a numbered hill for the third time, trying to discern the friendly from the foe in some hamlet, racing up and down a river or just sitting on the beach looking up at some ape like mountain and never getting 'hit' is any man's equal when it comes to being a hero... in the dam war.. I figure the same goes for the folks in all the wars or war like events we seem to frequent.
There are some, I guess, that can go into harms way without a bit of fear... they are Trained Military Folks.. but, back then (as you know) these kids, many of whom were fresh from the slums and hadn't a clue.. went to 3 months of Army how to march and look pretty and then to Vietnam... Trained to do little other than pull a trigger... led by a kid not much older who fresh from OCS was told he could lead men in battle. But they went. Some were told to go... and went while others ran or found creative ways to avoid going.
IMO... Mr. Bush is not among those who'd I call a hero... his character is called into question because he too COULD have gone and earned his medals and maybe even ran for President without that issue being raised.
Rip -- Thanks for the laugh. I'm actually stunned that you had the balls to post a parody of your own typical posts. I'm glad you showed a sense of humor about yourself. :laugh:
Now, I just wish you understood how much of a bad a joke Bushwhacko is.
I hope others cut Rip some slack for this particular thread. He has posted too many others far more worthy of tearing apart.
Now, I just wish you understood how much of a bad a joke Bushwhacko is.
I hope others cut Rip some slack for this particular thread. He has posted too many others far more worthy of tearing apart.
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Thanks, CK, and thanks, LR, for your simple eloquence -- for the truth of what it was like -- death as a random, uncontrollable fate; the impotence and rage and sadness and mind and soul numbing fear that can fill you with, how fvcking weary that can make you; and how every single young kid who went was a hero, just simply so.
I only wish those who would belittle John Kerry's service could realize they belittle us all. I wish they would step out of their partisan skins for one brief moment and fully take in what you two wrote -- the quiet, unblinking, unmistakable truth of it -- and change their tack here.
Folks, please re-read the quotes above me here. Take them in.
There are no doubt plenty of valid reasons to oppose Kerry's candidacy, for those so inclined. His service in Vietnam is not one of them.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Rip -- Thanks for the laugh. I'm actually stunned that you had the balls to post a parody of your own typical posts. I'm glad you showed a sense of humor about yourself. :laugh:
Now, I just wish you understood how much of a bad a joke Bushwhacko is.
I hope others cut Rip some slack for this particular thread. He has posted too many others far more worthy of tearing apart.
The problem though Harvey is that Rip was unaware that this was satire. He's just so zoned about posting his crap, that he didn't realize it until it was pointed out to him.
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