[Videocardz rumour] Vega pushed forward to October

[exar333]

I think that people are desperate for some competition. I think that people have given up on Polaris, and are now moving to the next thing - Vega.

An October "launch" with an actual November release? Maybe.

This.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well if Vega is coming by year end, then don't spend your money on Polaris I guess.

 

[Mopetar]

Somethine tells me this trend won't continue. Not if the node helps reign in their heat issue.

Are you kidding? The stock water cooler was the coolest thing about Fury.

I'm still expecting an early 2017 launch, especially for the larger die. October seems extremely early, but hope springs eternal.

Yeah, hope's a bastard like that. Maybe it's Vega 11 (the smaller Vega) that will be launching earlier with the largest chip (Vega 10) coming in 2017. That's something that I could at least accept as possible.

 

[maddie]

Well if Vega is coming by year end, then don't spend your money on Polaris I guess.

Are you serious? A person with a $200- $300 budget should wait on Vega?

RS showed that only 15% of total discrete sales were above $300 and 85% was $300 and below. This is the present reality.

 

[railven]

Are you kidding? The stock water cooler was the coolest thing about Fury.

Just my guess. As cool as it was, it hurt Fury X at launch due to pump issues, it added cost to the overall build which was most likely needed to keep the card cool and quiet.

I wouldn't be surprised if AMD doesn't go that route of their chips aren't roasting chestnuts.

 

[piesquared]

Are you serious? A person with a $200- $300 budget should wait on Vega?

RS showed that only 15% of total discrete sales were above $300 and 85% was $300 and below. This is the present reality.

^This. It's probably more accurate to say that if Vega is coming by year end, don't spend your money on Pascal. Especially on the FU edition.

 

[n0x1ous]

I wouldn't be surprised if AMD doesn't go that route of their chips aren't roasting chestnuts.

But that means they would have to design a new reference blower from the ground up that doesnt suck.

 

[railven]

But that means they would have to design a new reference blower from the ground up that doesnt suck.

They didn't have to for Fury, why for Vega or Polaris?

Where AMD may save money by probably not making a new ref blower from scratch, NV is charging out the butt for the privilege of having theirs.

 

[n0x1ous]

They didn't have to for Fury, why for Vega or Polaris?

Where AMD may save money by probably not making a new ref blower from scratch, NV is charging out the butt for the privilege of having theirs.

yeah I guess if they want to forget it altogether and go custom only like that. I would think (with HardOCP's article stating Falcon Northwest boss wanting high quality blower) that AMD wouldn't want to miss out on those boutique builders buying a large quantity and those guys require a reference blower.

 

[maddie]

^This. It's probably more accurate to say that if Vega is coming by year end, don't spend your money on Pascal. Especially on the FU edition.

Exactly and why yesterday I posted that we might start to hear a lot more about Vega soon.

Once we get the Polaris numbers we can start to speculate some more about Vega. Smart money might rethink impending purchases.

 

[LTC8K6]

^This. It's probably more accurate to say that if Vega is coming by year end, don't spend your money on Pascal. Especially on the FU edition.

Well, I get confused...

But the arrival of Vega will probably stir up prices.

 

[maddie]

yeah I guess if they want to forget it altogether and go custom only like that. I would think (with HardOCP's article stating Falcon Northwest boss wanting high quality blower) that AMD wouldn't want to miss out on those boutique builders buying a large quantity and those guys require a reference blower.

HardOCP said that the boutique builders wanting a blower [for expelling hot air out of the case] AND wanting to have it available over long a long period of time for consistency in their builds.

A CLC satisfies both of those requirements. The blower is a means to an end and not the end by itself.

 

[n0x1ous]

HardOCP said that the boutique builders wanting a blower [for expelling hot air out of the case] AND wanting to have it available over long a long period of time for consistency in their builds.

A CLC satisfies both of those requirements. The blower is a means to an end and not the end by itself.

Agree (though harder to fit multiple CLC radiators in multi-card boutique rigs)

FWIW - I hope they keep doing the reference CLC. Its one of the things that attracted me to the Fury X in the first place and its a good differentiator for AMD

 

[exar333]

Moving-up Vega is GREAT news. AMD is taking Pascal's release seriously and doesn't want to abandon the high-end for 9 months. Interesting enough, this same timeframe is probably when we will see NV launch the 1060/1060Ti. Different approaches for sure, and it will be interesting to see what bears more fruit.

Regardless, AMD has the opportunity to release something better than Pascal 1.0 and trump some enthusiasm for NV HBM parts in 2017. Great move. Also could give current 980Ti owners a more beneficial upgrade path vs the 1080/1070 that targets more 7xx and 6xx users IMHO.

 

[n0x1ous]

Also could give current 980Ti owners a more beneficial upgrade path vs the 1080/1070 that targets more 7xx and 6xx users IMHO.

Yep - that is very intriguing. I would love to have a new enthusiast part from AMD to consider this fall. Feels like forever since they got one released before Nvidia

 

[guskline]

I hope to replace the 2 R9 290s in CF with a single big Vega

 

[thesmokingman]

I hope to replace the 2 R9 290s in CF with a single big Vega

I'll take two to go please.

 

[TypoFairy©]

Just in time for battlefield release?

 

[jantjeuh]

I hope this is true, I will definitely need a monster of a card to run Battlefield 1 in all its glory Somehow I don't think 1080 will cut it.

Just in time for battlefield release?

My thoughts exactly

 

[raghu78]

Given that AMD's partner SK Hynix will be in HBM2 production by Q3 2016, a mid-late Q4 2016 launch of Vega is possible.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/ram/91100-sk-hynix-schedules-4gb-hbm2-mass-production-q3-year/

The thing is if Polaris 10 is 232 sq mm with 2560 sp / 4 shader engines / 64 ROPs then Vega 10 can definitely double it 5120 sp/ 8 shader engines / 128 ROPs and still come in at 450-500 sq mm on GF 14LPP. Hawaii basically doubled pitcairn in all resources(slightly more than 2x on sp) With a 4096 bit HBM2 running at 1.6 - 2.0 Ghz speeds we are talking of 820 - 1024 GB/s . Thats a massive amount of bandwidth. Since AMD has already designed a new memory controller with improved L2 cache and memory compression in Polaris we can expect something which is as good or even better. Hitting the peak holiday season helps maximize sales opportunity, so a Nov/Dec 2016 launch is a good bet. I think Vega 10 will be a 4K monster.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Amazing how a single forum post from a guy on 3DCenter is the source of this "news." We'll see if user "RIP" on 3DCenter is right or not soon enough.

 

[Azix]

AMD should have a proper founders edition with watercooling built in. Not this wannabe crap from nvidia. That would actually allow it to OC better than regular.

 

[maddie]

Given that AMD's partner SK Hynix will be in HBM2 production by Q3 2016, a mid-late Q4 2016 launch of Vega is possible.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/ram/91100-sk-hynix-schedules-4gb-hbm2-mass-production-q3-year/

The thing is if Polaris 10 is 232 sq mm with 2560 sp / 4 shader engines / 64 ROPs then Vega 10 can definitely double it 5120 sp/ 8 shader engines / 128 ROPs and still come in at 450-500 sq mm on GF 14LPP. Hawaii basically doubled pitcairn in all resources(slightly more than 2x on sp) With a 4096 bit HBM2 running at 1.6 - 2.0 Ghz speeds we are talking of 820 - 1024 GB/s . Thats a massive amount of bandwidth. Since AMD has already designed a new memory controller with improved L2 cache and memory compression in Polaris we can expect something which is as good or even better. Hitting the peak holiday season helps maximize sales opportunity, so a Nov/Dec 2016 launch is a good bet. I think Vega 10 will be a 4K monster.

Why do you even need 4096 bit?

Small Vega using improved compression should be able to get by with 2 stacks of HBM2 giving 410-512 GB/s and 8GB memory. A much smaller interposer and also saving a bit on memory controller die space. Should keep production costs down a fair amount plus less assembly defects as only 3 components vs 5. Also allows twice the production output early in the cycle when HBM2 will be in short supply.

 

[dark zero]

Take it with a grain of sale given the source, but if true that sure might make a Christmas build much more interesting.

http://videocardz.com/59808/amd-vega-gpu-allegedly-pushed-forward-to-october

If that so, GP100 might get delayed then too... Both for Christmas and AMD Zen (no one cares Kabylake, the Godavari of Intel)...

 

[Killer_Croc]

If they are pushing forward Vega to Q4 of this year then either HBM2 yields are improving or they are looking to launch Vega with the Zen platform possibly like they did in the past with the Dragon, Spider platforms.