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[Videocardz] Nvidia updates GeForce GTX 780 to GHz Edition

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Teizo

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780 ti was announced to be $700, that's the only thing concrete right now. NV is going to gouge for that (extra?, we don't know yet) performance, like usual.

He's talking 290, not 290x. 290x clearly beats the 780 by 10%+ already. The 290 was leaked to tie/slightly beat the 780 too.
Well, I will laugh at you if AMD releases the R9 290 @ $449 rather than the already publicly spoken price of $399 for continuing to talk senseless smack.

If AMD sticks to their word and releases it as they listed in Hawaii...and it does perform as well as the 780 with the new driver update...then they deserve praise.
 

Chumster

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There is no "GHz" edition. AIBs are using the new revision for their custom cards. And they're doing it since one or two months.

Will utilities like GPU-z be able to recognize the difference in steppings? I assume you mean the higher end, "pre-OC'd" cards (Lightning, HOF, etc.)
 
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This is a pile. There are different revisions of GK110 already used in current GTX 780s. One of my cards has one, you can tell because your BIOS will indicate 'B'.

An interesting note: The new revision overclocks worse than the old one does for me. It may be that it can run a reasonable clock at a lower voltage though, IDK, but it was disappointing compared to the card it replaced.

Yeah, I suspect the voltage is lower on the new revision since they were only targeting the lower speed and having the heat levels be improved might lead to more time in boost overall in some scenarios.

That said, if they wanted to "unchain" it, they could easily up the power and voltage, let the card go above 80 degrees and I'm pretty sure that'd get awfully close to matching or beating AMD's high end. The fact that nVidia basically owned the high end let them dictate how high into the high end they went.

Thankfully, that's no longer the case. Let's hope AMD never lets this happen for this long again.
 

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That's what I figured, but if what sontin says is true why haven't folks spotted this before now?
exactly what I was thinking. If this has been out for one or two months like he claims then somebody by now would have already pointed it out.
 

ocre

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780 ti was announced to be $700, that's the only thing concrete right now. NV is going to gouge for that (extra?, we don't know yet) performance, like usual.

He's talking 290, not 290x. 290x clearly beats the 780 by 10%+ already. The 290 was leaked to tie/slightly beat the 780 too.
the "ghz" 780 is 15% faster than vanilla. This puts it above the 290x, if only ever so slightly. It also cost only slightly more than the 780. Looking at other skus with similar clocks, they are all priced below the $550 AMD is charging for the 290x. Because of this, none of your ranting in this thread makes sense at all.
Speaking of shareholders, you certainly seem to speak on their behalf in defense of the absurd pricing.

Shouldn't the 290x be $1010+ since it's actually slightly beating the titan (uber 1600p+)? They can't just keep raising prices whenever they want without consumers noticing and speaking up. It's been almost 2 years that this generation has been out, new performance should be coming without raising the prices (and titan is not the normal price bracket). :rolleyes:

The pricing gouging this generation is absurd, that you (and a few loyal green fans) find it necessary to defend raising the prices is striking.
Since this thread is about the GHZ 780 and the new B1 revision vendor cards, this statement is way out there. Again these cards cost less than the 290x and perform better than both titan and the 290x. Your really not making much sense.
$100 premium for a "GHz" edition when there are already factory overclocked models with the same or higher clocks for $30-50 more than the reference 780 price of $499... Unfortunately, there will be morons that still buy this card.
I do not know where you are getting this. There are all ready B1 silicon on the market as AM 780s and they arent priced bad at all. Slightly above the stock clocked 780s and most are priced between 500-550. In the middle. These are vendor cards and they are free to do what they want with them.
 

ocre

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The source states that this will not be a new SKU, as in, AIB makers can add "GHZ" to their card title but it's not a new SKU that nvidia offers on a reference level. I think it's INNO3D only, I mean, most aftermarket 780s are already boosting well past 1000. It would be pointless. Unless the card is catering to morons who aren't aware of existing aftermarket 780s as the above poster mentioned....
Like the 7970GHZ?

Not a lot will change the GK110 has a new revision, B1. These are already out in the wild and in AM gpus. Vendors may add GHZ to their boxes, thats it.

In my opinion this move is no different than the GHZ 7970 that was all the rave. It was an overclocked 7970 thats only point was to top the gtx680 in the charts. Now we have a AMD R9 290 coming and a GHZ 780 to top the charts. The 7970ghz got so much praise and i find it funny how quick people are to disregard the GHZ 780. I really think it would be wrong to praise one and dis on the other. Most 780 cards are AM and have higher boost clocks already. And just like the 7970, every 780 out there can run at the GHZ speed no problem. I am not sure how many AIB skus will slap GHZ on the box but remember there were still plenty of 7970 overclocked cards that where GHZ (or very close) speeds without the label. I expect a very similar situation.

To me this is Nvidia returning the favor towards AMD and their clever GHZ ploy. If you didnt get upset with AMD doing this, then you would be very one sided to be bothered by nvidia.
 

skipsneeky2

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Only two cards on newegg that i see with a 1006 core are the Zotac Amp! edition and the HOF. Guessing these could have the new updated silicon?Both cards have 1006 base clocks and both boost pass 1046.
 

Subyman

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The Ghz at $599 sounds like a terrible value. I think nvidia would be more inclined to replace the standard 780 with the up clocked version at the same price point there-by killing the 290X's price/performance lead. I'm hoping they retain the reference cooler with the up clocked version. If they release a 780, 780 up clocked, and 780TI, it would be pretty disappointing.
 

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Like the 7970GHZ?

Not a lot will change the GK110 has a new revision, B1. These are already out in the wild and in AM gpus. Vendors may add GHZ to their boxes, thats it.

In my opinion this move is no different than the GHZ 7970 that was all the rave. It was an overclocked 7970 thats only point was to top the gtx680 in the charts. Now we have a AMD R9 290 coming and a GHZ 780 to top the charts. The 7970ghz got so much praise and i find it funny how quick people are to disregard the GHZ 780. I really think it would be wrong to praise one and dis on the other. Most 780 cards are AM and have higher boost clocks already. And just like the 7970, every 780 out there can run at the GHZ speed no problem. I am not sure how many AIB skus will slap GHZ on the box but remember there were still plenty of 7970 overclocked cards that where GHZ (or very close) speeds without the label. I expect a very similar situation.

To me this is Nvidia returning the favor towards AMD and their clever GHZ ploy. If you didnt get upset with AMD doing this, then you would be very one sided to be bothered by nvidia.
Not sure what you're talking about, I think you're seeing what you want to see. Pretty sure I didn't praise the 7970GE, I thought it was dumb because the 7970 could OC to that level so easily. So AMD released a new SKU which cost 80$ more despite the original being able to OC to that level on it's own for the most part, yeah, stupid on AMD's part. My main point is that this 780 "GE" is not a new SKU. AIB makers can simply add "GE" to their SKU if they want to. Besides which, 780OC's generally boost past 1000 out of box anyway. Seriously read what I posted instead of seeing what you want to see based on your confirmation bias - the main point is that this is not a new SKU. AMD made their "GE" a SKU which was dumb. But it's whatever. I own a 780OC myself and it boosts well past 1000 on it's own. Most 780OC editions do this and they're already using this new chip revision. If you read my post again, that was my main point - the chip is out and has been utilized for some time, and this is not a new SKU, it's an existing one that NV will not charge more money for. That's it.

Unlike AMD's move, nvidia isn't making this a new SKU. AMD made a new SKU for 75mhz despite the original being able to OC to that easily, and it was dumb. And they charged 80$ to overclock the card for you. NV isn't doing this, because AIB makers are doing this already with existing 780OC cards that already utilize the new chip revision. But if AIB makers want to add "ghz edition" to their card? Yeah sure they can do that, but they won't charge you 80$ for it to overclock the card. So NV is doing the better move by not charging money to OC the card for you, unlike AMD.

I'll also add: the admins at TPU stated that this "GHZ" rumor is false in responding to the videocardz.com story. Like I said, this chip is already out and has been for some time, which - AGAIN - was the main point I was driving at. It isn't really needed since tons of 780OC cards boost well past 1000 anyway, even the ones that don't advertise higher than 1000mhz boost (such as the Asus DC II) generally boost well past 1000. So this "GHz" monkier may be Inno3d only, or it could be something that AIB makers slap on to existing 780OC cards. But they won't charge 80$ to overclock it for you.
 
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Slomo4shO

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I do not know where you are getting this. There are all ready B1 silicon on the market as AM 780s and they arent priced bad at all. Slightly above the stock clocked 780s and most are priced between 500-550. In the middle. These are vendor cards and they are free to do what they want with them.
Reading comprehension, try it :whiste:
 

Teizo

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The Ghz at $599 sounds like a terrible value. I think nvidia would be more inclined to replace the standard 780 with the up clocked version at the same price point there-by killing the 290X's price/performance lead. I'm hoping they retain the reference cooler with the up clocked version. If they release a 780, 780 up clocked, and 780TI, it would be pretty disappointing.
No less a terrible value than the $549 290X since the $499 780 can out clock it and beat it without much problem.

The card that will absolutely steal the show though will be the R9 290 if AMD sticks to their $399 price point as long as (for me) acoustics and thermals are under control.
 

wand3r3r

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Well, I will laugh at you if AMD releases the R9 290 @ $449 rather than the already publicly spoken price of $399 for continuing to talk senseless smack.

If AMD sticks to their word and releases it as they listed in Hawaii...and it does perform as well as the 780 with the new driver update...then they deserve praise.
:rolleyes:

What are you talking about and how do you tie it to me? Never mind I don't want to know. I haven't said a price for the 290 since I don't know. It's just rumored / leaked to tie the 780 vanilla.
 

wand3r3r

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the "ghz" 780 is 15% faster than vanilla. This puts it above the 290x, if only ever so slightly. It also cost only slightly more than the 780. Looking at other skus with similar clocks, they are all priced below the $550 AMD is charging for the 290x. Because of this, none of your ranting in this thread makes sense at all.

Since this thread is about the GHZ 780 and the new B1 revision vendor cards, this statement is way out there. Again these cards cost less than the 290x and perform better than both titan and the 290x. Your really not making much sense.

I do not know where you are getting this. There are all ready B1 silicon on the market as AM 780s and they arent priced bad at all. Slightly above the stock clocked 780s and most are priced between 500-550. In the middle. These are vendor cards and they are free to do what they want with them.
None of your ranting with the quoted text makes sense (Ti not Ghz, $150 premium etc. etc. not 780 OC models, nor Ghz). Reading comprehension missing, take a few minutes.
 

Teizo

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:rolleyes:

What are you talking about and how do you tie it to me? Never mind I don't want to know. I haven't said a price for the 290 since I don't know. It's just rumored / leaked to tie the 780 vanilla.
I'm referring to you saying Nvidia 'gouging' as if AMD is incapable of doing the same thing (like the 7970 Ghz Edition cards). You seem to be arguing a bit one sided. Maybe I am mistaken.

So, if AMD does it again and raises the price of the R9 290, I will laugh at everyone who like to point at Nvidia for 'gouging' without acknowledging that AMD has done/does it too (just perhaps a bit more subtle).

However, the caveat is that if AMD does stick with the $399 price point that they clearly stated in the Hawaii launch event rather than raise the price $50 because 'they can'...then they absolutely deserve to be showered with praise.
 

wand3r3r

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I'm referring to you saying Nvidia 'gouging' as if AMD is incapable of doing the same thing (like the 7970 Ghz Edition cards). You seem to be arguing a bit one sided. Maybe I am mistaken.

So, if AMD does it again and raises the price of the R9 290, I will laugh at everyone who like to point at Nvidia for 'gouging' without acknowledging that AMD has done/does it too (just perhaps a bit more subtle).

However, the caveat is that if AMD does stick with the $399 price point that they clearly stated in the Hawaii launch event rather than raise the price $50 because 'they can'...then they absolutely deserve to be showered with praise.
The Ghz was a price drop, not an increase. Whether or not they needed another SKU is another question of which I don't care, if the price isn't going up (I don't see the need necessarily). 7970 = $550, 7970 Ghz = $500.

Sure AMD is capable, however they don't or haven't gouged nearly to the league NV has (at least to the same extent). The 7970 was an attempt where they went from $379 to $550, however NV went from $550 to $1000.

/dead horse

Btw, they never said the 290 is $400, or if you claim they did show some proof because this is the first I've heard of it. I actually watched it until I got bored to death, but at the point of the 290/x they never mentioned price other than not titanic (which I take to mean pricewise). I'm awaiting proof of this, I could be wrong but I'm 99% sure there hasn't been a price announcement.
 

ocre

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None of your ranting with the quoted text makes sense (Ti not Ghz, $150 premium etc. etc. not 780 OC models, nor Ghz). Reading comprehension missing, take a few minutes.
None of what you were saying makes any since because the AM 780 at ghz speeds is priced less than the 290x yet they perform better or at least as good. You keep yelling Premium? Doesnt make sense in this thread. The GHZ clocked 780s are priced better than the 290x for similar performance. Somehow your not understanding this.

Now bring in the Ti. Interesting indeed because this is a thread about GHZ 780s. I seen you repeatedly repeat nvidia premium, premiums, premiums-going on rants about this. Once you did bring up the Ti, sure. But i guess then your not talking about the ghz at all and your statements are not relevant to the thread at all? So your like "i know there is a ghz 780 thats priced as good or better than the 290x but lets ignore that *in this thread that is about that* and talk about the 780 Ti cause nvidia charges premiums and anyone who has anything to say about that is working for them or something". Seems a little off topic to me, perhaps it is my reading comprehension skills that need checked cause i thought this was a thread on the 780 ghz. I see no relevance at all to the OP or how gouging and premiums fit in here at all.
*especially premiums for the GTX 780ti* Which is a whole completely other topic. If you bring up premiums and gouging in a thread i am gonna assume its got something to do with the thread subject. I didnt realize you were just thread capping and nothing you said had anything to do with the 780ghz. My bad
 
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ocre

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Not sure what you're talking about, I think you're seeing what you want to see. Pretty sure I didn't praise the 7970GE, I thought it was dumb because the 7970 could OC to that level so easily. So AMD released a new SKU which cost 80$ more despite the original being able to OC to that level on it's own for the most part, yeah, stupid on AMD's part. My main point is that this 780 "GE" is not a new SKU. AIB makers can simply add "GE" to their SKU if they want to. Besides which, 780OC's generally boost past 1000 out of box anyway. Seriously read what I posted instead of seeing what you want to see based on your confirmation bias - the main point is that this is not a new SKU. AMD made their "GE" a SKU which was dumb. But it's whatever. I own a 780OC myself and it boosts well past 1000 on it's own. Most 780OC editions do this and they're already using this new chip revision. If you read my post again, that was my main point - the chip is out and has been utilized for some time, and this is not a new SKU, it's an existing one that NV will not charge more money for. That's it.

Unlike AMD's move, nvidia isn't making this a new SKU. AMD made a new SKU for 75mhz despite the original being able to OC to that easily, and it was dumb. And they charged 80$ to overclock the card for you. NV isn't doing this, because AIB makers are doing this already with existing 780OC cards that already utilize the new chip revision. But if AIB makers want to add "ghz edition" to their card? Yeah sure they can do that, but they won't charge you 80$ for it to overclock the card. So NV is doing the better move by not charging money to OC the card for you, unlike AMD.

I'll also add: the admins at TPU stated that this "GHZ" rumor is false in responding to the videocardz.com story. Like I said, this chip is already out and has been for some time, which - AGAIN - was the main point I was driving at. It isn't really needed since tons of 780OC cards boost well past 1000 anyway, even the ones that don't advertise higher than 1000mhz boost (such as the Asus DC II) generally boost well past 1000. So this "GHz" monkier may be Inno3d only, or it could be something that AIB makers slap on to existing 780OC cards. But they won't charge 80$ to overclock it for you.
I know i quoted you but I was speaking to everyone in general and not specifically towards you. For most of my reply anyway. I would like to say that i think the GHZ move was a little sleazy. Perhaps thats too strong of a word but i never thought highly of it yet many people were all for it. For the most part it was excepted with open arms. If the GHZ turns out to be true for Nvidia, then i fell the same way towards it. See, nvidia could send out a GHZ bios to reviewers to spoil the 290 launch and that would really cause a lot of flame throwing. The forums would light up to the sky. This would be no different than the AMD tactic though. So i am saying that if anyone accepted the 7970ghz and 7950 boost then they shouldnt have any issue with the 780ghz.

I am not fond of the move, especially sending out bios to reviewers-that is crossing the line.

Has it really been officially confirmed by nvidia that the GHZ is false? So is this just AIBs trying to separate themselves?
 

nenforcer

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None of your ranting with the quoted text makes sense (Ti not Ghz, $150 premium etc. etc. not 780 OC models, nor Ghz). Reading comprehension missing, take a few minutes.
Thank you, I'm surprised no one brought this up considering it's in the thread title.

nVidia makes Ti and "Boost" versions of their graphics cards.

AMD makes "GHz" Gigahertz editions of theirs.

I highly doubt one or the other is going to adopt the nomenclature of the other in order to "trick" people into buying new cards.
 

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Thank you, I'm surprised no one brought this up considering it's in the thread title.

nVidia makes Ti and "Boost" versions of their graphics cards.

AMD makes "GHz" Gigahertz editions of theirs.

I highly doubt one or the other is going to adopt the nomenclature of the other in order to "trick" people into buying new cards.
Are you being serious?
obviously you havent a clue what this thread is about. Here is a hint: read the OP and its linked article.
 

SolMiester

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So you speak from the shareholders point of view, are you one or do you have other ties to NV?

I have nothing to do with AMD - no ties whatsoever, I just speak from the consumer point of view. Nothing you say lines up with the buyers point of view, it's all from the point of view of someone who benefits from higher prices (not the consumer).

If the high end card has been $550ish for the past few generations, how is it beneficial to anyone except the company/employees/shareholders etc. to raise the prices to $650, $700, $1000?

If you are an NV shareholder/ties I don't care, it just explains your rationale when trying to pretend higher prices is good. Strawman if AMD this, they would do that... doesn't matter nor justify it either.

It's actually absurd some posters pretend to be "enthusiasts", yet they claim raising prices is somehow justified and good. There is no way that is true unless you have ties to the company.



Not sure if you're serious.

The 290x gives the titan a run for it's money and ties/slightly beats it at 1600p.

Going higher resolution gives it a substantial win. Why would they not be looked at with equal standards? Sure the reference cooler sucks, and we'll see the effect of aftermarket cards soon. Why the double standard (rhetorical question which I know will be avoided), supposedly the fastest commands ever higher premiums? Perhaps the cooler can knock $50 off the value? It's still equal to or beating the titan. I know it's hard to look at both companies objectively, however if you are claiming price premiums are good, keep it objective and not only "good" if they are team green.


There is no way it's beneficial to the consumer so I'm not going to argue and watch the deflections. Unless you have something worthy of discussing I'm going to try avoid pointless back and forth since you clearly don't have the consumer in mind (which I am). Feel free to objectively discuss it and correct me if I'm indeed wrong.
Your going to have to link to where anyone said it was good or beneficial for the consumer, cause I dont recall anyone saying that!..
And the Titan is a better product period, if the price was the same, what would you get?....Especially if you are into compute.
Over 1600p is a moot point, as neither card is quick enough for 4k, unless the settings are low and then they are a wash.
 

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