[VideoCardz] GTX 1070 Benchmarks

[Headfoot]

If only I'd listed the source in my post... oh wait, I did!

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11061015

So again, is it easy to fake 3dmark results?






Says who? It was reported as the 1070 in the other post from Videocardz I linked. http://videocardz.com/59558/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3dmark-benchmarks


What makes this rumour more credible than that one? What is the card that I linked to then?

Given that a 7600 MB 1070 is vanishingly unlikely, I'd say yes. It is apparently easy to fake 3dmark results or that was a test chip. More likely it was a test chip.

All publicly available info points to 1070 either being truly full on the memory front (e.g. not like the 970 and 660 before it), or 25% less. No information points to 7.6gb

 

[Mopetar]

Early adopters tax. In a way, Titan X was 980 Ti Founders Edition 😛

Titan X does have slightly better hardware in that it has more SPs and a lot more RAM, but it's not so much as to make it significantly better. The additional RAM probably gives it a longer life, but it's so far beyond what most GPUs at the time had so its largely been unnecessary.

Definitely not worth the price premium, especially considering that some of the third party cards were capable of in comparison.

 

[Headfoot]

WHy is the VC&G community so toxic and negative?

the natural reaction to any news in here is always negative, and always about tearing down something else. Its always about what it DOESNT have, rather than what it does have. Its always about the "ifs" and "buts" never about whats actually in front of us.

We literally just got benchmarks confirming that a $379 card can beat last generations $1000 card. How can you not be excited or blown away by that?


Who cares if the relative performance to its higher performing brother is wider than the previous gen. Does it make the card any less fast or impressive? NO. If you're in the market for a 1070, you're in the market for a 1070. If you care so much about the difference between 970 and 980, go buy a 970 and brag to everyone how its only x% slower than a 980. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be enjoying a titan x for under $400.

This rhetoric and logic in here is getting really tired.

You fell for it. It's $380 card beating the former $1000 card because until recently that top chip card didn't cost anywhere near $1000. It cost $500. (GTX 480, GTX 580). So it's a chip in the stack that formerly cost $250 (GTX 560 Ti) for $380 beating a card that formerly cost $500, now $1000.

How can I not be 'blown away'? By paying attention to historical trends and not falling for psychological marketing tricks. I've been buying video cards for many years and this round of releases is shaping up to be disappointing for high end buyers. It's looking more and more like GP102 / GP100 consumer release or Vega are the closest exciting releases. At least this release is more exciting than the Fiji release but thats not saying much.

 

[showb1z]

Exactly where JHH said the benches would be. But since 1080 FE has already been shown to throttle to near base clocks during real gaming sessions the 1070 will probably turn out slower than 980Ti.

That said the average overclocking frequency of Founders Edition is around 2060 MHz, but it will vary depending on the sample.

And this is a complete fantasy.

 

[Qwertilot]

And the AIB ones very likely won't throttle/be a little overclocked. The 1070 won't get the die picked, deluxe water cooled etc treatment the 980ti because frankly that market is only after the very top cards anyway.

These things aren't at all bad upgrades to the 970 either I'd think? Not enough to utterly demand it or anything, but definitely a significant boost.

 

[sm625]

There's no question this will be faster than a 980ti. If it isnt at launch, then you know it will be within 6 months. 😉

 

[2blzd]

I hate to play in to what you are saying in this exact post, but everybody pretty much knows that we wont be seeing a $379 1070, just like we wont be seeing a $599 1080

You're missing the point of my original post entirely and nitpicking. I can edit the $379 to $450 and my point remains unchanged. But to directly respond, Jen said in a live webcast to millions of people that there would be a $379 1070. It may not come out immediately, or if ever at all. But until that's proven wrong, I'm going to go with what the CEO of the company publicly announced versus what "everyone pretty much knows". Sorry.

Perhaps you will interpret this as negative, but it's not quite confirmed (although I believe the performance here is indicative), the FE is what is written about in the article and that's a $450 card, and a more accurate comparison is that it's beating last generations $650 card, since that is the card most consumers care about and is basically the same as the $1000 (actually the $650 card is faster at factory OC speeds, and is not even represented here).

Behold my nitpicking.

Behold discussion, god forbid. I genuinely think max OC 1070 vs max OC 980 Ti will be an interesting battle. It's worth discussing instead of just saying "yay" which I guess is your desire.

There is no difference between a FE and non-FE cards except the shroud and vapor chamber. So your point is moot. Also it doesn't matter what most cards consumers care about. It doesn't change the fact that a 1070 outperforms a Titan X. Which is a $1000. Cool beans if the market prefers a 980 ti for $650. It doesn't change the performance numbers or my point. 1070 > $1000 card. Again, more nitpicking and has nothing to do with my desires.

Its about the general overall tone and attitude of discussion just outright being unfun to read. People in here are very concerned about letting everyone else know that ___ new tech is crappy or inadequate because they upgraded 10 days ago, and its only 5% better then what they have. It's insane! memememememmememe

 

[Kenmitch]

You're missing the point of my original post entirely and nitpicking. I can edit the $379 to $450 and my point remains unchanged. But to directly respond, Jen said in a live webcast to millions of people that there would be a $379 1070. It may not come out immediately, or if ever at all. But until that's proven wrong, I'm going to go with what the CEO of the company publicly announced versus what "everyone pretty much knows". Sorry

What he stated was the msrp was $379 and the FE was $449. It's up to the AIB to set their pricing.

Not saying we won't see one at msrp or possibly lower....Just saying there was no promise of one made by JHH.

 

[linkgoron]

WHy is the VC&G community so toxic and negative?

the natural reaction to any news in here is always negative, and always about tearing down something else. Its always about what it DOESNT have, rather than what it does have. Its always about the "ifs" and "buts" never about whats actually in front of us.

We literally just got benchmarks confirming that a $379 card can beat last generations $1000 card. How can you not be excited or blown away by that?


Who cares if the relative performance to its higher performing brother is wider than the previous gen. Does it make the card any less fast or impressive? NO. If you're in the market for a 1070, you're in the market for a 1070. If you care so much about the difference between 970 and 980, go buy a 970 and brag to everyone how its only x% slower than a 980. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be enjoying a titan x for under $400.

This rhetoric and logic in here is getting really tired.

Last year's after-market 700$ 980ti card already beat the 1000$ Titan handily, and they will probably beat the 1070 (as OC 980ti already basically match stock 1080).

Last year's 980ti xtreme gaming 980ti already beats the Titan by 17% (without extra OC).
You can buy it from amazon for 690$ or non overclocked (otherwise the same) for 600$

The Titan X comparison is just marketing and PR, and not really relevant at all to how well the card performs (clarification: in regards to price/perf). The Titan X has horrible value, and it's no coincidence that the 1070 is compared to it, instead of the 980ti.

But until that's proven wrong, I'm going to go with what the CEO of the company publicly announced versus what "everyone pretty much knows". Sorry.

We've already seen that the 1080 FE doesn't overclock like crazy, although JHH said so on stage. It should probably teach us that PR and marketing tend to exaggerate and overblow things.

 

[showb1z]

I'm going to go with what the CEO of the company publicly announced versus what "everyone pretty much knows". Sorry.

Cause he has absolutely reason to lie or embellish the truth right?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38242302&postcount=87

Apparently we know better than him what those cards are capable of.

Its about the general overall tone and attitude of discussion just outright being unfun to read. People in here are very concerned about letting everyone else know that ___ new tech is crappy or inadequate because they upgraded 10 days ago, and its only 5% better then what they have. It's insane! memememememmememe

Haha, it has nothing to do with that at all.
Nvidia's PR event for the Pascal launch has been proven to be full of ####. That's what the recent commotion is about. Doesn't help people are still defending them tooth and nail, when they should be condemning them so they change their ways.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What he stated was the msrp was $379 and the FE was $449. It's up to the AIB to set their pricing.

Not saying we won't see one at msrp or possibly lower....Just saying there was no promise of one made by JHH.

I think putting an MSRP out there is a "promise" to customers. Frankly I think it's been amusing to see the FUD from those who are not interested in buying this card.

First it was: "It could be VRAM crippled!"

Then it was "Oh, it's so cut down, if it's not as fast as a 980 Ti I'm not buying it"

Then when it was shown to be faster than 980 Ti/Titan X, we now have, "well, the factory overclocked 980 Tis are faster," completely ignoring the large price delta between the two products and the fact that 1070s will likely come pre-overclocked from the AIBs as well.

And now some people are claiming we just won't see these cards at MSRP.

Interesting.

 

[Erenhardt]

Can we already start comparing new nv GPU to the Tesla line in perf/$ metrics? That would make this thread more positive, release more endorfin.

Meanwhile, the rumor has it that new AMD Polaris GPU will not offer any perf/$ improvements over previous generation (retired 290 crypto-mining GPUs)

 

[Kenmitch]

I think putting an MSRP out there is a "promise" to customers. Frankly I think it's been amusing to see the FUD from those who are not interested in buying this card.

First it was: "It could be VRAM crippled!"

Then it was "Oh, it's so cut down, if it's not as fast as a 980 Ti I'm not buying it"

Then when it was shown to be faster than 980 Ti/Titan X, we now have, "well, the factory overclocked 980 Tis are faster," completely ignoring the large price delta between the two products and the fact that 1070s will likely come pre-overclocked from the AIBs as well.

And now some people are claiming we just won't see these cards at MSRP.

Interesting.

He promised the AIB must supply a card for $379? The marketing team stated it's up to them to set their own prices in that silly video. I'd imagine they'll target a price similar to the FE edition but with better coolers, higher clocks, etc.

I'm sure they'll be some takers but it most likely won't be the card to buy. Cheap blower coolers, bottom binned chips, etc most likely.

Son needs a gpu for less than $400 so maybe we'll be surprised.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm sure they'll be some takers but it most likely won't be the card to buy. Cheap blower coolers, bottom binned chips, etc most likely.

Right, that's the point. Lower quality stuff is cheaper, higher quality stuff (including Founders Edition that everyone seems to love to hate) costs more. Not at all surprising.

That Galax 1070 should sell for $379 🙂

 

[boozzer]

Right, that's the point. Lower quality stuff is cheaper, higher quality stuff (including Founders Edition that everyone seems to love to hate) costs more. Not at all surprising.

That Galax 1070 should sell for $379 🙂

that used to be the case 🙂

 

[Headfoot]

You're missing the point of my original post entirely and nitpicking. I can edit the $379 to $450 and my point remains unchanged. But to directly respond, Jen said in a live webcast to millions of people that there would be a $379 1070. It may not come out immediately, or if ever at all. But until that's proven wrong, I'm going to go with what the CEO of the company publicly announced versus what "everyone pretty much knows". Sorry.




There is no difference between a FE and non-FE cards except the shroud and vapor chamber. So your point is moot. Also it doesn't matter what most cards consumers care about. It doesn't change the fact that a 1070 outperforms a Titan X. Which is a $1000. Cool beans if the market prefers a 980 ti for $650. It doesn't change the performance numbers or my point. 1070 > $1000 card. Again, more nitpicking and has nothing to do with my desires.

Its about the general overall tone and attitude of discussion just outright being unfun to read. People in here are very concerned about letting everyone else know that ___ new tech is crappy or inadequate because they upgraded 10 days ago, and its only 5% better then what they have. It's insane! memememememmememe

$1000 Titan is a massive marketing ploy. It's abundantly clear to anyone with passing familiarity with the history of high end GPUs and their prices.

 

[tviceman]

It will be faster than Titan X just as JHH said. It will, however, likely fall a little behind when comparing good overclocks. If prices come in at close to MSRP for non-founders, its a great price/performance card.

 

[topmounter]

What he stated was the msrp was $379 and the FE was $449. It's up to the AIB to set their pricing.

Not saying we won't see one at msrp or possibly lower....Just saying there was no promise of one made by JHH.

It all depends upon how competitive the price/performance is from Polaris. If AMD lays a stinker, then you probably won't see $379 1070s for quite some time.

 

[railven]

WHy is the VC&G community so toxic and negative?

the natural reaction to any news in here is always negative, and always about tearing down something else. Its always about what it DOESNT have, rather than what it does have. Its always about the "ifs" and "buts" never about whats actually in front of us.

We literally just got benchmarks confirming that a $379 card can beat last generations $1000 card. How can you not be excited or blown away by that?


Who cares if the relative performance to its higher performing brother is wider than the previous gen. Does it make the card any less fast or impressive? NO. If you're in the market for a 1070, you're in the market for a 1070. If you care so much about the difference between 970 and 980, go buy a 970 and brag to everyone how its only x% slower than a 980. Meanwhile the rest of the world will be enjoying a titan x for under $400.

This rhetoric and logic in here is getting really tired.

I hear ya. This place has gone down hill since the buy out. Too much whining and cheese from the community. The technical conversations are minor now with the usual suspects turning every thread into a us vs them nonsense.

At this point just be lucky to find a morsel of decent conversation before it falls apart.

Oh well, it is what it is.


On Topic:
Results look decent. Not sure why people are comparing a ~$380-$450 GPU against a >$650 GPU /shrug

Non-Founder editions are going to be a hit.

 

[moonbogg]

There's no question this will be faster than a 980ti. If it isnt at launch, then you know it will be within 6 months. 😉

I can't wait to watch this happen. Games will come out and the 1070 and 1080 will mysteriously start to get faster and faster compared to last gen products. If 1070 gets beat by an OC'd 980ti upon release, you can expect that same 1070 to beat any 980ti by 20% or more in way less than a year's time. People will assume it must be an architectural thing, but I will simply suspect the Keplerization of Maxwell is underway.
A good way to make your current mid range cards look better is to simply sabotage your previous cards and blame it on architectural superiority. Watch for the games that have the mysterious Pascal magic sauce in them. Should be interesting.

 

[casiofx]

Why does people keep comparing custom 980Ti with FE1070

Compare it with custom 1070's results, apples to apples.

1070 is already cheaper than 980Ti and have better features, why are people getting annoyed by that?

 

[Thinker_145]

That is pretty impressive for the 1070 and about 5% faster than I expected. Oc'd that puts it at least in the neighborhood of 2x faster than a 390. I'm all over one of those once the FE pricing is out of the way.

What? Even a 1080 isn't 2x faster than a 390.

A factory superclocked 980Ti is 55% faster than 390 according to the techpowerup charts. With the 1070 at best you are beating 390 by 50% which is actually not bad at all if it goes for $380.

 

[linkgoron]

Results look decent. Not sure why people are comparing a ~$380-$450 GPU against a >$650 GPU /shrug

Non-Founder editions are going to be a hit.

Results look decent,I agree. I just think that they're expected. The 1070 is not "exciting" nor "blowing me away" (which is the phrasing "2blzd" used), and comparing its perf/$ to the horrible valued Titan is disingenuous. This is especially true at the 450$ FE price.
Recall that this is a huge node shrink, tnat the 980ti was released almost a year ago, it's expected of the 2nd tier new card be around as fast as the previous flagship.

I don't know these releases well, so please tell me if I made a mistake:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/27.html
The 670 is beating the 580 (as is the 660ti), the 7950 is beating 6xxx cards.
It's hard to compare the 280x line, as it is a rebadged 7970 (although again, technically still counts 😛).

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_970_Gaming/27.html
The reference 970 (and the MSI 970) is just edged out by the 780ti, and the MSI 970 is 1% different, and today the reference 970 is faster than the 780ti:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html

 

[railven]

EDIT: Don't even know what I'm responding to.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I can't wait to watch this happen. Games will come out and the 1070 and 1080 will mysteriously start to get faster and faster compared to last gen products. If 1070 gets beat by an OC'd 980ti upon release, you can expect that same 1070 to beat any 980ti by 20% or more in way less than a year's time. People will assume it must be an architectural thing, but I will simply suspect the Keplerization of Maxwell is underway.
A good way to make your current mid range cards look better is to simply sabotage your previous cards and blame it on architectural superiority. Watch for the games that have the mysterious Pascal magic sauce in them. Should be interesting.

Pascal is a very similar architecture to Maxwell. Maxwell was a huge departure from Kepler. I don't think there was any "Keplerization" going on...it is just an old architecture and so it doesn't do as well as newer architectures.