BallaTheFeared
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Because the R290X is nearly a year late compared to the Titan, has worse DP performance than the 7970 and doesn't have CUDA.
Why would AMD have to lower the price when the 290x can edge out the Titan too? Nvidia would have to price the 780 at $450 for this to happen. Remember the 290x has more VRAM too.
If 780's end up matching R290x's when both are overclocked, then it only needs a $100 price cut according to the same logic of everyone who bought 7970's on here. Equal performance when OC'd, but the 780's have quieter operation, lower thermals, 150-200 watts less power use, and the same cost w/ $100 price cut. Even if OC'd 780's are 5% slower on average vs. OC'd r290x's, the intangibles listed in the previous sentence still make it worthwhile trade off to many people at equal prices.
But yes, the 780 needs a price cut.
Who exactly did I personally attack? I don't see a name in my post, do you? Nice try :thumbsup:
But whatever, keep polluting the forum with fanboy drivel so it can lose whatever little credibility it has left.
Now all of a sudden overclocking is inadmissible evidence since the 290X doesn't have much OC headroom compared to the 780...so harping on the Titan's price is the best way to posture it in the market.
I see what you're saying here but you could go on for days about how both sides have been hypocritical at various times throughout posting. Everyone does this. The NV guys latched onto efficiency when the 7970 was released, after the entire Fermi thing most likely. Now the opposite has happened - I guess everyone latches on to whatever argument suits them the best regardless of what brand they prefer - The NV guys do it, so do the AMD guys.
My 780 hit 80c and started throttling within minutes of firing up a game, especially FarCry 3. I had to keep the fan at 55% speed in order to keep it under 75c..
I do have a question for anyone that owns a 290X, though. Is the reference cooler more or less the "same" in terms of noise as the 7970 cooler? If it's 40% in quiet mode I can't see how that is noisy at all. Although the card will obvious not perform as well in quiet mode. I know the 7970 cooler wasn't "noisy" at 40%, but definitely worse than the Titan shroud cooler for sure.
And again, when I receive my 290x I will be testing thermals and acoustics on the reference cooler.
My 780 hit 80c and started throttling within minutes of firing up a game, especially FarCry 3. I had to keep the fan at 55% speed in order to keep it under 75c.
..And where did you pull the "150-200 watts less power use" from?
I won't argue it though, $549 is a good price. But, if AMD could charge more for it, they would. Considering you have to buy a waterblock to keep it's thermals under control...they could not charge $599 or $649 because the price/performance moniker they claim to showcase would not work.
And on that note, at least one great thing that is going to come out of G-Sync is that all this senseless bickering of who's e-penis is bigger, I mean graphics card has the most fps, is that quality, smooth, gameplay will be obtainable with lower framerates so that higher efficiency, lower power designs, can take center stage since it won't be necessary to have umpteenmillion fps running through fraps in order to enjoy a solid gaming experience on high settings.
lol a year late. its 8 months which is much closer to being half a year than being a year.Because the R290X is nearly a year late compared to the Titan, has worse DP performance than the 7970 and doesn't have CUDA.
Overclocked 780's and Titans might draw another 60-70 watts for a good overclock, whereas TPU's R290x had the following scenario:
lol a year late. its 8 months which is much closer to being half a year than being a year.
lol just 6 more months to Christmas. and I have not had a birthday in nearly 2 years...Hey it's what everyone does here! gtx680 was 6 months late, R290x was a year late, gtx780ti will be 3 months late, 20nm is 4 years late.....
lol just 6 more months to Christmas. and I have not had a birthday in nearly 2 years...
From what I've seen it doesn't scale well with overclocking, even on water. I haven't seen a lot though, but if that holds true that alone will be the biggest letdown of R290X.
I could live with the garbage reference cooler, the more power hungry nature of the beast, if it had some amazing unlockable potential but it just doesn't seem to be there. Hopefully it was just poor testing or something else, but considering who the results came from I find that highly unlikely.
The problem is it's competing with reference 780s with better coolers that can maintain higher overclocks at more respectable noise levels. Even the results I seen of water cooled R290X at 1.3v left a lot to be desired.
I can't honestly say I have a grasp on what the actual performance of R290X is at a given clock, because of the severe throttling and different benchmarking methods it is impossible for me to know. However when I see end users with cards that aren't throttling, overvolted, and overclocked to 1250MHz and memory OC issues cropping up things just aren't as rosy as I would have thought they'd be for the R290X.
The problem is it's competing with reference 780s with better coolers that can maintain higher overclocks at more respectable noise levels. Even the results I seen of water cooled R290X at 1.3v left a lot to be desired.
I can't honestly say I have a grasp on what the actual performance of R290X is at a given clock, because of the severe throttling and different benchmarking methods it is impossible for me to know. However when I see end users with cards that aren't throttling, overvolted, and overclocked to 1250MHz and memory OC issues cropping up things just aren't as rosy as I would have thought they'd be for the R290X.
Its really quite easy Balla.
At stock speeds R9 290X easily beats a $650 GTX780 and quite often beats a $1000 Titan.
That's all you need to know.
It's on OCN, believe they're using a 4.5GHz quad core Ivy Bridge 2011 chip.