blastingcap
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Maybe legit if they castrated GTX 780 Ti compute abilities so it is a basically only a gaming-only card. TITAN's price was in part because it wasn't an entirely crippled compute card. I also think NV has a history of not letting AMD steal much mindshare, so I can definitely see them launching, say, a GTX 780 Ti that slightly outperforms 290X for somewhere between $699-799 owing in part to performance and in part to 6GB VRAM. How many dice they actually have to do this, I don't know... I thought GK110 demand in the form of Quadro/Tesla cards was pretty high? Maybe that demand has tapered off, or maybe not. If it has tapered off, then that frees up more GK110's for GTX duty.
Edited to add: Also, historically GeForce/GTX = crippled. TITAN broke the mold somewhat by straddling the boundary between uncrippled Quadro/Tesla and crippled GeForce. So the fact that people are saying it's going to be called GTX implies it will be DP-crippled just like all the other GeForces. Else why not call it Titan II or Ti, if it were 1/3 DP like the original Titan?
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Probably not so hard to believe. I'm sure balla would get a shockingly high score with tessellation disabled. It was common on the 79xx cards for the longest time, but the 3dmark results page (URL) will report if tessellation is disabled or altered.
Do you have a link to the 3dmark11 results URL? That will basically tell us if cheating was done or not.
Do you have a link to the 3dmark11 results URL? That will basically tell us if cheating was done or not.
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Tweak155
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BENCHMARK TESSELLATION LOAD MODIFIE... ( + 1 )
Notice that at the top of the result. As I've mentioned, getting a high score on AMD cards is easy with tess disabled, that is what Balla was referring to.
Tempered, is there a results Url for the 290X result? Disabling tessellation is unfortunately allowed by HWBOT which makes absolutely no sense, but the results will state explicitly if the result is a cheat or not. I still don't understand why HWBOT allows this for their benchmarking competitions..
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that the Titan is really not a gaming card, but a prosumer GPGPU computing card that happens to be very good at running games.
For the people saying "why would Nvidia undercut the Titan?" - they're not. The 780 Ti will almost certainly have double-precision performance capped at 1/24 of SP performance. If you want to get fast double-precision (1/3), you will still have to fork out $999 for the Titan.
The fact that Nvidia managed to get some gamers to pay out the nose for their prosumer card is icing on their cake, but it's not the core of their business strategy.
For the people saying "why would Nvidia undercut the Titan?" - they're not. The 780 Ti will almost certainly have double-precision performance capped at 1/24 of SP performance. If you want to get fast double-precision (1/3), you will still have to fork out $999 for the Titan.
The fact that Nvidia managed to get some gamers to pay out the nose for their prosumer card is icing on their cake, but it's not the core of their business strategy.
It is on the hall of fame:
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark11_-_performance/rankings#start=0#interval=20
I just can't find a results URL.
edit: found it, tessellation was indeed disabled. But this is allowed by HWBOT, again I don't think that makes much sense. Then again, it's 3dmark11 on LN2, so it's whatever I guess.
All I need to do is drop the values to 0-1 and cheat my way to victory! :awe:
3DMark Hall of Fame (as in their website), I know it's on hwbot because hwbot is terrible.
URL is listed on the results (it is what I linked here)
Yes it's from Smoke's 4x submission on the bot. Yes Hwbot allows it for competitions (some but not all). It doesn't need modified tess anyway because the clocks are 400mhz below 2nd place....
Ballas claim that his 7950 beats 4x 290x is laughable. What jokes you provide here balla.
blastingcap
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Yup, that's what I wrote earlier this thread and I would like to add that the naming of the card provides a clue that GTX will be just another crippled GeForce when it comes to compute. Else why call it GTX (GeForce)? If the new chip were supposed to also have 1/3 DP then it'd make more sense to call it Titan Ti or Titan II or something other thane GeForce.
Prove what, they cheated or did you only have issues with that when you thought it was a 780 cheating in the valley thread?
My claim that putting everything to 0-1 a 7950 would beat 4 R290X with tess disabled was a joke, much like your need to post those results in this thread.
Didn't think you could. In the valley thread I challenged the guy with the 4770k because three other people called out his score before I posted there. Continue on with your joking.
The score you're posting was a cheat, you asked me to prove it and I did.
I didn't think I could either, since I don't own 3dMark11 I can't make custom runs
Oh and I don't cheat, I value integrity and constancy.
I didn't think I could either, since I don't own 3dMark11 I can't make custom runs
Oh and I don't cheat, I value integrity and constancy.
Now? When have they ever not been?
It's right there...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7363757
Let me highlight it for you.
It's right there...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7363757
Let me highlight it for you.
Guys, guys, guys. The 290X score definitely had tessellation disabled. Of this there is no doubt. HWBOT allows this, which is pretty stupid. Anyway, I think we can get back to the topic at hand now, discussing the relevance of HWBOT rules is something better done in a different thread or a different forum (OCN??)
Yep. I initially thought this rumor was crazy and am still skeptical, as my predictions with the ti were different. Yet, letting go of my stubbornness for a minute - if the ti is 650$ and 6GB that is nothing but awesome for consumers. Those are the type of market shake-ups that I love - so if that happens, great. That will also force the 780/290X downward in price, and if that happens (780 price reduction to 550$) i'm definitely opting for 780SLI.
Yep. I initially thought this rumor was crazy and am still skeptical, as my predictions with the ti were different. Yet, letting go of my stubbornness for a minute - if the ti is 650$ and 6GB that is nothing but awesome for consumers. Those are the type of market shake-ups that I love - so if that happens, great. That will also force the 780/290X downward in price, and if that happens (780 price reduction to 550$) i'm definitely opting for 780SLI.
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Nvidia isn't going to beat the 290X with a card between the 780 and Titan, they'll need to use the extra SMX or the additional TDP headroom they have vs the 290X with either.
I think it will be a fully unlocked GK110 with 250-260w draw and beat the 290X in uber by 8-12% overall at 1600p or less.
Possible Nvidia strategy:
GTX 780: Price goes from $649 >>> $500
GTX Titan: EOL thanks to GTX 780 TI
GTX 780 TI: overclocked 2688 cores for $649
GTX Titan >>>> Replaced by GTX Titan Ultra/GTX Atlas, full GK110 aka 2880 cores for $999, same as GTX Titan cost before.
Price on the OEM versions of GTX 780 will go down too. Including those who are overclocked. Which roughly match the R9 290X in performance. Selling for $50 less than 290X.
GTX 780 TI cost $100 more than R9 290X, but beat it by 10% (?), include a much better cooling system and other goodies like G-sync, shadowplay, Gameworks and of course game bundles etc. It will make the $100 justified and it will sell pretty well. Now people who didn`t have $1k to dish out earlier, can finally play with a Titan.
GTX Titan Ultra/GTX Atlas. It will replace Titan in the best of the best, meaning people will have to bleed to buy it. But they get a full GK110, aka 2880 cores, 192 cores more than Titan.
Nvidia basically have AMD check mate with this strategy.
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