[Videocards][Rumor] New king coming soon - GTX 780 TI 3DMark score revealed

[5150Joker]

I agree.

There is a lot of people who are waiting for OEM versions to cool of that extremely hot die on the 290X to less than volcano temperatures and without getting deaf in the process.

A better performing GTX 780 Ti released a week or two after before 290X OEM versions coming out, will effectively put an end on the 290X.
The great cooling performance of the Titan is well documented. It runs both cool and is not noisy.

G-sync will also greatly cause people to buy the 780 Ti. Atleast that technology have been proven to work by presentation, rather than forcing people to believe that Mantle will "be so awesome". Nothing have been proven from them. No presentation, nothing. In the meantime, Nvidia have introduced a lot of new things like G-sync and Gameworks.

Pretty much and I can attest to the awesome cooling capabilities of Titan since I've got 2 of them in SLI running overvolted on a custom vbios and they never get close to the stock temps a 290X runs at and my OC Titans outrun an OC 290X.

Then there's 780 Ti with G-Sync, PhysX, superior drivers, shadowplay, much better reference cooling and AMD is left in the dust. Right now their only selling point is price, if NVIDIA drops the current 780 to $600, AMD is toast.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yeah I don't get that either... The Sapphire Vapor-X 7970 6GB card sells for $580 on Amazon, although I'm not sure what price it came to market at. Some reviews say "around $600".

So, while I think it is possible for the 780Ti to come in around $650 with 6GB of RAM, I don't think Nvidia will release it with 6GB. I think 3GB.



I was just rewriting what you wrote to show it in a different light. I'd say the majority of people buying these high-end cards are on 1440/1600p. Some may play on higher (multi-card/4K), but in all reality you'd need more than one card for playable framerates.

As far as undisputed, anyone who claims that for any of the high-end cards (current, as well as once the 780Ti is released) is dreaming. There is no undisputed winner. They all have their pros and cons, people here just sensationalize things.

As for the 6GB, I would guess they are speculating since NV has been selling cards with less RAM than AMD for the past couple generations (exception being titan) without a pretty high premium.

About the resolutions, I agree 1440/1600p is probably the most important single monitor, followed by 1080p+ X 3 eyefinity setups. I'd put 4k just as a thing of interest, perhaps for how well the card will uphold over time.

The titan was the undisputed winner. The only problem I have ever had with it is the absurd price. The 290x (and presumably 780 ti) aren't going to have such of a big lead. I'd say the king of the hill is more like an anthill if even that, it's just the OP sensationalizing team green.

Well, the vast majority of PC gamers have a 1080p monitor, it is only logical that resolution to be the one to matter the most.

Vast majority? Who cares, again, it's the high end buyers we're talking about. $500+ cards should come with 120Hz, 1440p+ monitors.

 

[Pariah]

1/3 of us? Who cares?

The only people who will go 4k will be the same that will buy the fastest card. The $500+ card buyers are 1% of the market (random guess) not 1/3 of anything. Sure 4k has a ways to go to be mainstream, and it's not all that matters, I'm saying 6% probably isn't enough to be the "king" of a hill.

You're nitpicking semantics which is a clear indication of no real counterargument. Unless someone else said it, the OP didn't use the term king of the hill. He only said king. Most people would interpret king as the fastest card. Whether by a few percentage points on average or lot, doesn't really matter, if it is the fastest in the games in you play at the settings you play, that makes it the king for you.

The market for a $550 card is significantly larger than that for a $3500 monitor. For both people that have a 4k monitor, 4k performance matters. For pretty much everyone else, it doesn't. 4k monitor prices are not going to drop enough in the next 1-2 years to make any sort of market increase. 2 years from now, none of "1%ers" will want a 290x, making its 4k performance today meaningless.

 

[5150Joker]

I'm one of those so-called 1% high end buyers and I have no interest in 4k. I bet if we did a poll on AT, you could count the number of 4k owners on one hand. 4K performance in today's market is completely meaningless. Even if NVIDIA later optimizes for it in their drivers and beats AMD, I'll still say it's meaningless. Maybe in a few years it'll matter but the single most important gaming breakthrough coming soon isn't 4K, it's G-SYNC.

 

[wand3r3r]

You're nitpicking semantics which is a clear indication of no real counterargument. Unless someone else said it, the OP didn't use the term king of the hill. He only said king. Most people would interpret king as the fastest card. Whether by a few percentage points on average or lot, doesn't really matter, if it is the fastest in the games in you play at the settings you play, that makes it the king for you.

The market for a $550 card is significantly larger than that for a $3500 monitor. For both people that have a 4k monitor, 4k performance matters. For pretty much everyone else, it doesn't. 4k monitor prices are not going to drop enough in the next 1-2 years to make any sort of market increase. 2 years from now, none of "1%ers" will want a 290x, making its 4k performance today meaningless.

Here's my counterargument if you want to hear about one.

6% over the titan is not enough to cleanly be a "king" of anything. Sure at certain resolutions, but not across the board like the titan was at release. As I recall the stock 290x 2nd fan mode is already 6% over the titan. Do you see the point I am making? OP is sensationalizing it and (unfortunately) I bit.

There are 4k resolution monitors for $700. Sure they are limited to 30Hz iirc but it gives me hope that within a year there will be a 60Hz one for $1k or so.

 

[loccothan]

He He my Man -> King is Dead (Titan), long live the New King of OC (Radeon R290X)

Look here and ... he he
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25171636&postcount=37

 

[5150Joker]

He He my Man -> King is Dead (Titan), long live the New King of OC (Radeon R290X)

Look here and ... he he
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25171636&postcount=37

Stock cooling?

 

[Cloudfire777]

Lets see here:

Spec`wise the GTX 780 Ti should beat GTX Titan by over 15%.
GTX Titan: 2688 cores @ 876Mhz. GDDR5 @ 1.5GHz
GTX 780 Ti: 2688 cores @ 1000MHz+. GDDR5 @ 1.7GHz

3DMark11 Extreme scores (graphic score) reveal 9% better than GTX Titan.
GTX Titan: 4553
GTX 780 Ti: 4960

This chart, which is the average, means that if GTX 780 is atleast 10% faster than Titan, it will be

GTX 780 Ti: 115.5%
R9 290X: 106%

Which means that GTX 780 Ti will atleast be in average 9% faster than R9 290X in deafening , ehem, uber mode.
That is just by looking at 3DMark11 scores revealed today and not the specs

 

[Pariah]

6% over the titan is not enough to cleanly be a "king" of anything. Sure at certain resolutions, but not across the board like the titan was at release. As I recall the stock 290x 2nd fan mode is already 6% over the titan. Do you see the point I am making? OP is sensationalizing it and (unfortunately) I bit.

The title may be an embellishment. I won't argue that, but I think the point for all us to take from it, is that the 780ti will likely be faster than the 290x. I think we can all assume that NVidia didn't have to do any extreme engineering and squeezing blood from a stone like AMD did with the 290x. So the ergonomics of the OEM 780ti will be vastly superior to the 290x. Stock vs stock, there may not be much difference between single benchmark runs of a 290x and 780ti. However, I bet if you game with an OC'd 780ti and ubermode 290x for half an hour and run benchmarks again with your now OC'd 780ti and throttled 290x, the 780 will hold a clear and undeniable advantage.

There are 4k resolution monitors for $700. Sure they are limited to 30Hz iirc but it gives me hope that within a year there will be a 60Hz one for $1k or so.

Not happening. The $700 4k display is garbage. And who wants a 39" display on their desk? We are years away from seeing a 30-32" 4k monitor from a major vendor in the $1000 range.

 

[AtenRa]

Vast majority? Who cares, again, it's the high end buyers we're talking about. $500+ cards come with $500+ monitors.

Really ??? can you point us to a link supporting that ?? because i know more people spending 500+ euros for their GPUs than their 1080p monitors.

 

[tviceman]

Vast majority? Who cares, again, it's the high end buyers we're talking about. $500+ cards come with $500+ monitors.

I've got a $350 1440p monitor that can lay waste to Titan and R290x in quite a few today's games. Soooo, yeah you're wrong. All sorts of people running 120hz 1080p monitors or Korean 1440p monitors that all cost less than $500.

 

[imaheadcase]

Read the source before spewing out stupid stuff like that.

This is a Titan running on higher clocks, for $649. Videocardz report it.
So did other sites 5 days ago.

If you look at the specs, the memory is now running at 1.7GHz giving it better memory bandwidth than 290X.

This means that Titan is official eol.

Called it!

 

[amenx]

By the time there are enough ultra hd monitors around, the 290x will be a couple of generations old.

 

[tviceman]

Titan may or may not be EOL. But the 780ti won't be a "prosumer" card like Titan was (faster DP performance), a gimmick that Nvidia used to justify it's $1000 price tag. If people who bought Titan actually run Cuda applications then they are still better off with Titan.

 

[wand3r3r]

The title may be an embellishment. I won't argue that, but I think the point for all us to take from it, is that the 780ti will likely be faster than the 290x. I think we call all assume that NVidia didn't have to do any extreme engineering and squeezing blood from a stone like AMD did with the 290x. So the ergonomics of the OEM 780ti will be vastly superior to the 290x. Stock vs stock, there may not be much difference between single benchmark runs of a 290x and 780ti. However, I bet if you game with an OC'd 780ti and ubermode 290x for half an hour and run benchmarks again with your now OC'd 780ti and throttled 290x, the 780 will hold a clear and undeniable advantage.



Not happening. The $700 4k display is garbage. And who wants a 39" display on their desk? We are years away from seeing a 30-32" 4k monitor from a major vendor in the $1000 range.

Wasn't it like a year ago they were $20k? I'll take a 39" 4k monitor for $700 if it supports 60Hz.

I am not holding my breath but I think they will drop quicker than expected. I don't know how much I would pay, and I agree at $3500 they will remain a tiny fraction of the market.

Really ??? can you point us to a link supporting that ?? because i know more people spending 500+ euros for their GPUs than their 1080p monitors.

That's a shame.
I should have said should be accompanied with.

 

[wand3r3r]

I've got a $350 1440p monitor that can lay waste to Titan and R290x in quite a few today's games. Soooo, yeah you're wrong. All sorts of people running 120hz 1080p monitors or Korean 1440p monitors that all cost less than $500.

You're too focused on the precise wording, not the point.

$500+ cards should be accompanied by 1440p+ (120Hz too) setups. I'll edit that one since everyone is getting hung up by that.

 

[railven]

Just sold my 2x7970s, and now to wait for this card, 290X custom coolers, and the new price for current 780.

The fact that a GTX 660 Ti is giving me better performance in FFXIV:ARR versus CF 7970 is really making me think of green for my next card.

Time to play the waiting game.

 

[imaheadcase]

Its easy for them to make it a $650 card, if its just a rebranded titan its cheaper than going back to drawing board and making a board from scratch with less memory. They prob have huge stocks of titans with 6 gigs already with huge markup for titans already to.

Nvidia literally has to do nothing, and just tell manufacturers to overclock the cards and rebox them. If they make this card with some icing on the cake bonus, it will be a good seller, like game bundles..or *gasp* % off of G-Sync monitors...

 

[AtenRa]

That's a shame.
I should have said should be accompanied with.

No it is not, there are 120Hz 1080p monitors bellow 500 Euros and you can also buy 3x 1080p monitors for less than 500 Euros. Im sure the same applies to the US and the rest of the world.

Yes for 1440/1600p and 3-6x Eyefinity setups the 290X is very nice, but the vast majority of people (gamers) will care how the card perform in 1080p (60Hz and some at 120Hz).

If the GTX780 Ti cannot outperform the R9 290X at 1440/1600p then AMD will have an edge in that segment, but im betting that GTX780 Ti will be faster at 1080p.

 

[loccothan]

is this stock i dont know, maby? but you have to dig in the site -> http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=25171636#post25171636

 

[Venomous]

Pretty much and I can attest to the awesome cooling capabilities of Titan since I've got 2 of them in SLI running overvolted on a custom vbios and they never get close to the stock temps a 290X runs at and my OC Titans outrun an OC 290X.

Then there's 780 Ti with G-Sync, PhysX, superior drivers, shadowplay, much better reference cooling and AMD is left in the dust. Right now their only selling point is price, if NVIDIA drops the current 780 to $600, AMD is toast.

Says this idiot who runs dual Titans in SLI on a socket 1155 board...

Warning issued for personal attack.
-- stahlhart

 

[el etro]

I think 780ti will be faster than Titan for sure so long as they don't do 2496 shaders. But not with 6GB VRAM for $650... lol. This is nvidia. $200 premium just for 3GB more VRAM or it wouldn't be nvidia.

*Laughed*

 

[Will Robinson]

I'm halfway through 3DMark right now, I'm at the second boss. Love this game.

LOL..nice:biggrin:
Does he have a cute secretary?

 

[blackened23]

That was before AMD released something for 550 that can tie or beat Titan is some areas. Game has changed.

The main thing is, I really don't think it will be 6GB. If it passes Titan I think it could be 650$ maybe with 3GB, 6GB is really stretching it though.

But if you're right, that's great. Despite my disbelief at this - now that I think of it, let me put aside my skepticism for a moment. Admittedly, i'm letting my stubbornness get my head right now, I didn't want to believe this rumor because I figured the 780ti would be a 3GB 2496 core part (and stated as much in prior threads), and that type of pricing is uncharacteristic of NV. I guess I don't like being "wrong" on my predictions, although it's happened once or twice before (heh) Anyway, again, putting the skepticism aside - If this is true, it's great for consumers, great for all of us. If it's true it would force downward pricing pressure on both the 780 and 290X. Which is awesome.

So i'll just have to eat crow if this is true, because my prediction was a 2496 core part on par with Titan at 650$. If 6GB and faster than Titan happens at 650$, that's awesome from a consumer perspective due to the downward price pressure on the 780 and 290X (both great things) as I mentioned. And then NV has the 3 gane bundle while AMD isn't offering it on the 290 series yet. So we'll see, next month will be interesting to say the least.

 

[HurleyBird]

I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 or 6GB. On one hand, 3GB is enough VRAM for 99% of usage scenarios, and any more than that is potentially wasted money. On the other hand, VRAM is still a metric that consumers like to take into consideration and having more than the competition is going to help with that perception, while having less will hurt. 3GB is also in the grey area where it's enough for current games, but doesn't feel very future proof anymore.