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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Well maybe if their labor laws weren't so rigid, Muslims could find decent jobs and integrate. With the higher unemployment levels, employers can be much more selective in who they employ and chances are they are going to pick white people leaving the Muslim population with a much higher unemployment rate than the national average.

Maybe they should take the hint and GTFO.

This is a simple issue. Muslims are the bad guys. Non-muslims are the good guys. The holy war started without us nearly 30 years ago, and we're just now getting the right idea and invading our enemies (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan.)

But this insidious takeover from without from simply outbreeding us, we cannot compete against. Going by the laws of our land (the Constitution and Bill of Rights) we are basically powerless to stop them from outnumbering us. I'm fluxommed when it comes to a solution to this problem.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: freegeeks
dude, I'm Belgian and worked in Brussels for 8 years. There are some problems just like everywhere else in the world but it's not Baghdad or Gaza

Today it isn't so bad, it's the future that matters. It's our trajectory and where we are most certainly heading that we must prepare for.
You can foretell the future now? Pick a stock for me! you are a regular prophet of doom and mouthpiece of madness, lately.

I think its just peachy that you found a group to demonize and dehumanize, well actually I don't. Post like the one I extracted the above blurb from, are the forum equivalent to the guy on the streets of the city wearing the sign that reads "The end of the world is nigh sinners! Repent!" and they garner the same reactions. 😉

I think Moonbeam nailed it, you are every bit as terrified as "they" want you to be. A very small group seeks to set large groups against one another, perhaps for its own gain, perhaps just out of love for anarchy, chaos, death, and destruction? Unfortunately, it seems there are far to many in the larger groups that are all to willing to be so readily manipulated.





 
Originally posted by: Nebor
But this insidious takeover from without from simply outbreeding us, we cannot compete against. Going by the laws of our land (the Constitution and Bill of Rights) we are basically powerless to stop them from outnumbering us. I'm fluxommed when it comes to a solution to this problem.
It isn't "this problem" so much as your problem. If "they" become the majority and work peaceably within the boundaries of the law, to affect change from within, "they" will have proved far more civilized than those that would use violent repression and suppression of rights, to prevent it.

 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Well maybe if their labor laws weren't so rigid, Muslims could find decent jobs and integrate. With the higher unemployment levels, employers can be much more selective in who they employ and chances are they are going to pick white people leaving the Muslim population with a much higher unemployment rate than the national average.

Maybe they should take the hint and GTFO.

This is a simple issue. Muslims are the bad guys. Non-muslims are the good guys. The holy war started without us nearly 30 years ago, and we're just now getting the right idea and invading our enemies (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan.)

But this insidious takeover from without from simply outbreeding us, we cannot compete against. Going by the laws of our land (the Constitution and Bill of Rights) we are basically powerless to stop them from outnumbering us. I'm fluxommed when it comes to a solution to this problem.

I'm going to assume your whole post was a joke...
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Nebor
But this insidious takeover from without from simply outbreeding us, we cannot compete against. Going by the laws of our land (the Constitution and Bill of Rights) we are basically powerless to stop them from outnumbering us. I'm fluxommed when it comes to a solution to this problem.
It isn't "this problem" so much as your problem. If "they" become the majority and work peaceably within the boundaries of the law, to affect change from within, "they" will have proved far more civilized than those that would use violent repression and suppression of rights, to prevent it.

"They" will change the laws to seem far less civilized.

Like I said, I believe in abiding by the Constitution and Bill of Rights in this country, so it seems difficult to root out those enemies already here as citizens. Immigration should definitely be closed to those people though. And everyone should do whatever they can, within the confines of the law, to make living here very uncomfortable for those that are already here.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My post was:

This is a perfect thread to demonstrate how fear destroys rational thought and leads to panic and stupidity and violent reactiveness. One extremist begets another, endlessly.


To which you responded: So that explains why the Muslim man followed the camera crew at the market? He was afraid?

M: Since I have no idea what you are talking about let me try to make sure you know what I was trying to say. When I said this is a perfect thread to demonstrate....... I was talking about what Jaskalas said, not what was in the video.

TLC: There was no extremism in this expose from those filming. There was obviously no fear either or they wouldn't have filmed this in the first place. So trying to paint them as extremists, or anyone who dares to look Islamic extremists in the face and call them on their behavior, is patently ridiculous.

M: Again, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I was addressing what you said, not what Jaskalas said. Besides that, your initial comment was about what was NOT in the video, so actually you were talking about it.

Try viewing my comments from that angle instead and maybe understanding will come your way?
 
First world countries staying the same or shrinking a little, third world countries breading and creating poverty at a crazy rate. The counties that can should be trying to find a way to educate and control these populations. I think more than anything this is going to be disastrous for everyone and the environment.

What good will come from all the new ways to save the environment if you are doubling the amount of people using resources and creating pollution? Of course if our out of control populations are not put in check I am sure mother nature will come up with something that will be worse.
 
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you attempted to host a Bikini Contest in downtown Dearborn, Michigan... anyone game for finding out?

After all, Dearborn is still in America, right? So it shouldn't be a problem... right?

I wonder...
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My post was:

This is a perfect thread to demonstrate how fear destroys rational thought and leads to panic and stupidity and violent reactiveness. One extremist begets another, endlessly.


To which you responded: So that explains why the Muslim man followed the camera crew at the market? He was afraid?

M: Since I have no idea what you are talking about let me try to make sure you know what I was trying to say. When I said this is a perfect thread to demonstrate....... I was talking about what Jaskalas said, not what was in the video.

TLC: There was no extremism in this expose from those filming. There was obviously no fear either or they wouldn't have filmed this in the first place. So trying to paint them as extremists, or anyone who dares to look Islamic extremists in the face and call them on their behavior, is patently ridiculous.

M: Again, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was addressing what you said, not what Jaskalas said. Besides that, your initial comment was about what was NOT in the video, so actually you were talking about it.

Try viewing my comments from that angle instead and maybe understanding will come your way?

I have reviewed your comments and they mean to me as little to me as ever. I would happily address them if I knew what you mean. The new stuff you wrote here offers me little hope, however.

When I said that I was addressing what Jaskalas said I was trying to make that clear to you in case the incomprehensibility of your comment was a result of that misunderstanding. I was giving you information to see if I had been clearer it would have an effect on your point, which I do not get. To tell me now that you were addressing what I said rather than what Jaskalas said is right out of left field because it too meant nothing to me. I knew you were talking about what I said and not he. That, however, clarifies nothing for me.

And the fact that I was initially talking about the video has nothing to do with what I tried to clarify in my later post as you did not quote or refer in any way to that. I was trying to clarify only the part you did quote: "This is a perfect thread to demonstrate how fear destroys rational thought and leads to panic and stupidity and violent reactiveness. One extremist begets another, endlessly."

I was trying to make it clear to you that it's Jaskalas' reaction to the video, not the video itself, that is full of fear that destroys rational thought, stupidity, and violent reactiveness. In that context and with that intention your comments to me make no sense. Here's why:

You said, in response to the part of my post you quote above: "So that explains why the Muslim man followed the camera crew at the market? He was afraid?"

M: I made no reference to the camera man, why or whether he was afraid or not. I was not talking about the camera man and my post had nothing to do with him. I don't know what the camera man has to do with my post at all. I was not trying to explain or not explain the camera man.

Then you said: There was no extremism in this expose from those filming.

M: But I was not talking about the film. I was talking about Jaskalas' reaction to the film and the distance he carried his reaction to it. I didn't say if there were or were not any extremism in the film.

You go on: There was obviously no fear either or they wouldn't have filmed this in the first place.

M: But since I was not talking about the film this is more of the same irrelevant comment to me.

THEN you come up with this howler: So trying to paint them as extremists, or anyone who dares to look Islamic extremists in the face and call them on their behavior, is patently ridiculous.

M: I was not painting them as anything. I was not talking about them. But to add on that anyone who dares to look Islamic extremists in the face and call them on their behavior is ridiculous is more ridiculous than ridiculous could ever be. What you say here is completely crazy. Since I was not painting them as anything we are left with the absurd remark that anybody who dares to look Islamic extremists in the face and call them on their behavior has to be ridiculous. Would it be ridiculous to call somebody on gunning down a bunch of Islamic extremists in their beds women and children and all as their method of calling them? Would it be ridiculous to speak out against interring them in concentration camps. Get real. I wasn't calling anybody in that film on anything but the notion that I wouldn't call Jaskalas or other reactionary nut cases on his or their absurd and lunatic responses to ME radicals is a joke.

So I either don't know what you are talking about or you are some kind of nut is what I'm left with.
 
Jesus Moonie. You trashed all those electrons to be your usual windy self and say nothing of any value in the process.

I see that you haven't changed a bit since I've been gone.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you attempted to host a Bikini Contest in downtown Dearborn, Michigan... anyone game for finding out?

After all, Dearborn is still in America, right? So it shouldn't be a problem... right?

I wonder...

My guess is more than a few people would complain, some quite loudly. That doesn't really mean very much, as people complain about lots of things without our country becoming less free. The real question is what the GOVERNMENT would do, and my guess is absolutely nothing. And in any case, I imagine Dearborn is hardly the only place in America where bikini contests aren't exactly welcomed.

But here is a more interesting question. Peaceful civil rights protesters less than 50 years ago were met with official, and extremely violent, resistance from state and local governments in many parts of the country. What did those actions signify in the context of this discussion?
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you attempted to host a Bikini Contest in downtown Dearborn, Michigan... anyone game for finding out?

After all, Dearborn is still in America, right? So it shouldn't be a problem... right?

I wonder...

My guess is more than a few people would complain, some quite loudly.

I'm thinking, it would probably be them Baptists as usual
 
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you attempted to host a Bikini Contest in downtown Dearborn, Michigan... anyone game for finding out?

After all, Dearborn is still in America, right? So it shouldn't be a problem... right?

I wonder...

My guess is more than a few people would complain, some quite loudly.

I'm thinking, it would probably be them Baptists as usual

Well that's sort of the point I was making. Behavior that is normal or even common place among non-Muslims becomes sinister or threatening when Muslims are doing it. The difference in reactions between the Christian pharmacists refusing to give out birth control pills and Muslim cab drivers not willing to transport alcohol is pretty much a textbook example of what I'm talking about.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you attempted to host a Bikini Contest in downtown Dearborn, Michigan... anyone game for finding out?

After all, Dearborn is still in America, right? So it shouldn't be a problem... right?

I wonder...

My guess is more than a few people would complain, some quite loudly.

I'm thinking, it would probably be them Baptists as usual

Well that's sort of the point I was making. Behavior that is normal or even common place among non-Muslims becomes sinister or threatening when Muslims are doing it. The difference in reactions between the Christian pharmacists refusing to give out birth control pills and Muslim cab drivers not willing to transport alcohol is pretty much a textbook example of what I'm talking about.

I saw your av , read the first line of your post, and had a Jaskalas moment.
Sorry Rainsford 😉
Keep up the good work
 
This thread has me scared, my housemate in the room right next door to me is a Moroccan muslim, just like the people in teh video oh noes she might try and radicalise me what should I do?

That video was really informative, I mean the people had camera's pointed at them and didn't like it. I've never seen that before it must be some form of radical islam that made them want the camera's to go away. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

To be honest the only thing that I find worrying about this video is that they felt the need to broadcast it at all. Any credibility that woman may have had pretty much gets watered down by such a vacuous attempt to prove her point.

BTW, I can't speak for the Belgian populace but I can add some anecdotal evidence to the contrary of this video. I happen to know a lot of Moroccans living here in London that fall into the demographic described in this video and they are anything but radical. If anything they are openly critical of such a thing and get frustrated at the comparison whenever it's brought up. Thats not to say that young muslims aren't being targetted by radicals, it does tend to be easier to recruit young jaded individuals to any cause so thats nothing new. The extent of this is regularly blown out of all proportion however. I'm personally happy to take the "risk" and enjoy living somewhere so diverse.
 
Originally posted by: ShinGouki
This thread has me scared, my housemate in the room right next door to me is a Moroccan muslim, just like the people in teh video oh noes she might try and radicalise me what should I do?

That video was really informative, I mean the people had camera's pointed at them and didn't like it. I've never seen that before it must be some form of radical islam that made them want the camera's to go away. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

To be honest the only thing that I find worrying about this video is that they felt the need to broadcast it at all. Any credibility that woman may have had pretty much gets watered down by such a vacuous attempt to prove her point.

BTW, I can't speak for the Belgian populace but I can add some anecdotal evidence to the contrary of this video. I happen to know a lot of Moroccans living here in London that fall into the demographic described in this video and they are anything but radical. If anything they are openly critical of such a thing and get frustrated at the comparison whenever it's brought up. Thats not to say that young muslims aren't being targetted by radicals, it does tend to be easier to recruit young jaded individuals to any cause so thats nothing new. The extent of this is regularly blown out of all proportion however. I'm personally happy to take the "risk" and enjoy living somewhere so diverse.
This is great and all, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Nobody is claiming all Muslims are radicals. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think even most Muslims are. In fact, it's a very small percentage that are radicalized. With 1.8 billion Muslims even a small percentage is, unfortunately, a significant number of radical Muslims.

This film doesn't focus on the vast majority of Muslims who have integrated into society and are good people. It concentrates on the radicals because they are the concern today. All it takes is a small group to raise major hell.

It's unfortunate. The few morons among Muslims tend to drag the rest down by association. But that's how it works in the world. It even works that way in this forum. Just let someone proclaim to the members in here they are Republican and let the rolleyes and accusations of Bush fluffing begin. It's the same kind of scorn and hate. It's just a different target. But that's just how stupid people are today. We all have to have an enemy, imagined or not.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Jesus Moonie. You trashed all those electrons to be your usual windy self and say nothing of any value in the process.

I see that you haven't changed a bit since I've been gone.

No, I wasted no electrons any more than I am wasting them now. Your original comment was without merit and I simply took the time to show you so, in case you actually had something to say. The fact that you can't defend your position or your post and have to resort to put downs, is a sign of your own weakness not mine. In short, what you call windy, I call kind, and what you call valueless is your truth projected on me. But I will keep in mind that you would prefer in future to be referred to succinctly as a worthless piece of sh!t, if you think it would make you more respectful of what I have to say. Be sure to let me know.
 
Originally posted by: bbdub333
So I either don't know what you are talking about or you are some kind of nut is what I'm left with.

Sounds like you two were made for each other.

Unlike TLC, I'm sure you are willing to explain what you mean. The obvious conclusion I draw is that there is something wrong with your hearing. For example, you sound like an idiot. And unlike you I will give a reason. Your post is pure opinion unsupported by any intellectual, or for that matter, any other kind of support. You are the kind of idiot know as squat and leave it. There are monkeys at the zoo who do the same thing. But in this case you chose to sh!t on a professional toilet who knows how to flush even big turds like you down the drain.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: ShinGouki
This thread has me scared, my housemate in the room right next door to me is a Moroccan muslim, just like the people in teh video oh noes she might try and radicalise me what should I do?

That video was really informative, I mean the people had camera's pointed at them and didn't like it. I've never seen that before it must be some form of radical islam that made them want the camera's to go away. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

To be honest the only thing that I find worrying about this video is that they felt the need to broadcast it at all. Any credibility that woman may have had pretty much gets watered down by such a vacuous attempt to prove her point.

BTW, I can't speak for the Belgian populace but I can add some anecdotal evidence to the contrary of this video. I happen to know a lot of Moroccans living here in London that fall into the demographic described in this video and they are anything but radical. If anything they are openly critical of such a thing and get frustrated at the comparison whenever it's brought up. Thats not to say that young muslims aren't being targetted by radicals, it does tend to be easier to recruit young jaded individuals to any cause so thats nothing new. The extent of this is regularly blown out of all proportion however. I'm personally happy to take the "risk" and enjoy living somewhere so diverse.
This is great and all, but I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Nobody is claiming all Muslims are radicals. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think even most Muslims are. In fact, it's a very small percentage that are radicalized. With 1.8 billion Muslims even a small percentage is, unfortunately, a significant number of radical Muslims.

This film doesn't focus on the vast majority of Muslims who have integrated into society and are good people. It concentrates on the radicals because they are the concern today. All it takes is a small group to raise major hell.

It's unfortunate. The few morons among Muslims tend to drag the rest down by association. But that's how it works in the world. It even works that way in this forum. Just let someone proclaim to the members in here they are Republican and let the rolleyes and accusations of Bush fluffing begin. It's the same kind of scorn and hate. It's just a different target. But that's just how stupid people are today. We all have to have an enemy, imagined or not.

Oh good. Here at least you can admit you are stupid.
 
That's the oldest leftist trick in the book. Accusing us of xenophobia and racism!

No, the threat from rapid explosion of muslims in any country is real and cannot be feared enough.

The leftists here are as usual spinning castles in the air without any thing to offer. Learn from my country, India. Learn from the examples, Islam sets in real life i.e when Muslims are in significant numbers.

Here is the islamic record when it comes to India. I'm not including the countless millions of non-muslims (rumored to be 80 million or so) killed during Islamic occupation of India.

1. Partition : As soon as muslims achieve a critical mass, they demand a separate state. That's what happened. That's what will happen to you too. Not now, but fifty years down the road. We think short term, Islamism works long term.

2. Expulsion : As soon as muslims become the majority anywhere, it starts to go bad for non muslims.

Around half a million Kashmiri Pandits were forced to flee their homes after Islamic terrorists forced them out of their homes. That too. in a Hindu majority country! The same thing will happen in Europe once they become the majority.

So in short my dear, this is what will happen if you trust your future to the tender mercies of the leftists and the ones infesting this board are no better than anywhere!









 
Originally posted by: Braznor
That's the oldest leftist trick in the book. Accusing us of xenophobia and racism!

No, the threat from rapid explosion of muslims in any country is real and cannot be feared enough.

The leftists here are as usual spinning castles in the air without any thing to offer. Learn from my country, India. Learn from the examples, Islam sets in real life i.e when Muslims are in significant numbers.

Here is the islamic record when it comes to India. I'm not including the countless millions of non-muslims (rumored to be 80 million or so) killed during Islamic occupation of India.

1. Partition : As soon as muslims achieve a critical mass, they demand a separate state. That's what happened. That's what will happen to you too. Not now, but fifty years down the road. We think short term, Islamism works long term.

2. Expulsion : As soon as muslims become the majority anywhere, it starts to go bad for non muslims.

Around half a million Kashmiri Pandits were forced to flee their homes after Islamic terrorists forced them out of their homes. That too. in a Hindu majority country! The same thing will happen in Europe once they become the majority.

So in short my dear, this is what will happen if you trust your future to the tender mercies of the leftists and the ones infesting this board are no better than anywhere!
Well I'm more worried about the Mongol Hordes. Just take a look at their past.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Oh good. Here at least you can admit you are stupid.
What are you saying Moonie? That I'm stupid for claiming that most Muslims are NOT terrorists and are good people?

Shall I take that to mean you think most Muslims are terrorists and radicals?
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
That's the oldest leftist trick in the book. Accusing us of xenophobia and racism!

No, the threat from rapid explosion of muslims in any country is real and cannot be feared enough.

The leftists here are as usual spinning castles in the air without any thing to offer. Learn from my country, India. Learn from the examples, Islam sets in real life i.e when Muslims are in significant numbers.

Here is the islamic record when it comes to India. I'm not including the countless millions of non-muslims (rumored to be 80 million or so) killed during Islamic occupation of India.

1. Partition : As soon as muslims achieve a critical mass, they demand a separate state. That's what happened. That's what will happen to you too. Not now, but fifty years down the road. We think short term, Islamism works long term.

2. Expulsion : As soon as muslims become the majority anywhere, it starts to go bad for non muslims.

Around half a million Kashmiri Pandits were forced to flee their homes after Islamic terrorists forced them out of their homes. That too. in a Hindu majority country! The same thing will happen in Europe once they become the majority.

So in short my dear, this is what will happen if you trust your future to the tender mercies of the leftists and the ones infesting this board are no better than anywhere!
Well I'm more worried about the Mongol Hordes. Just take a look at their past.

Last time I checked, it wasn't the Mongols who were bombing my nation.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Riddle me this...

I know this is an absolutely crazy idea to some of you, but, just for the sake of argument, what if she is correct in her observations and assessments?

/discuss
Round them up and put them in Concentration Camps? Hmmm that was done before and it didn't turn out so well.
OK Mr. Strawman, how about a more educated and mature discussion of the question? Is that too much to ask?

If the reporter is actually correct, and the future of Brussels is one filled with Muslim fanaticism being the order of the day, how should the EU and the rest of the world respond? What should be tried to halt the spread of extremism that is already in place?

Should it just be ignored? Should large public forums be held to discuss the problem with the various community leaders? Should laws be changed to reflect the threat of fanaticism?

Police crackdowns and the creation of concentration camps would indicate that you've waited too long to act.

So, instead of making such ridiculous statements, let's try to brainstorm some real solutions, shall we?

Oh, the irony is rich:

Tell a right-winger about scientific consensus on climate change, and he'll pull every trick in the book to nay-say the concept, and god-forbid anyone plans proactive steps the nations of the world can take to mitigate the effects.

But tell a right-winger a fairy tale about Muslims out-breeding the West and taking over Europe at some point in the indefinite future, and "real solutions" are demanded.
 
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