Video on Pentagon to be released

[Meuge]

I don't give a ****** what a couple of people said on a heavily edited ultra-biased conspiracy-nut tape. There were no explosives there... and the reason I know that (aside from the obvious), is that if one was planning to bring WTC down via explosives, there would've been no reason at all to use an airplane altogether. It was already bombed in the basement once... if someone wanted to take it down for publicity's sake, they just had to follow the old formula. Again, the thought that a giant conspiracy took place, to do something that could be done 1000X easier, then cover it up so loosely that even the dumbest ****** can dispute it, simply doesn't pass Occam's Razor. The only way to believe it is to either be utterly obsessed with conspiracies, or have the intelligence of a peanut... or both.

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: Meuge
I don't give a ****** what a couple of people said on a heavily edited ultra-biased conspiracy-nut tape. There were no explosives there... and the reason I know that (aside from the obvious), is that if one was planning to bring WTC down via explosives, there would've been no reason at all to use an airplane altogether. It was already bombed in the basement once... if someone wanted to take it down for publicity's sake, they just had to follow the old formula. Again, the thought that a giant conspiracy took place, to do something that could be done 1000X easier, then cover it up so loosely that even the dumbest ****** can dispute it, simply doesn't pass Occam's Razor. The only way to believe it is to either be utterly obsessed with conspiracies, or have the intelligence of a peanut... or both.

Who am I going to believe? You? or American reporters and fire fighters at the scene? That's a tough choice. I suppose they were paid off by "conspiracy nut tape" producers to report explosions.

MSNBC's Ann Thompson
"At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last.."

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/9...n.thompson.intermediate.explosions.wmv


Hm. Paramedics, reporters, fire fighters saying there were explosions before and during the collapses.

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV


Damn those American "conspiracy nut tapes".

 

[Genx87]

So outside of some layman's experience what else do you have?

 

[Gibsons]

So they loaded two buildings up with massive amounts of thermite and explosives with the necessary wiring with nobody noticing and then crashed an airliner into each, then set the thermite and explosives off in a precise controlled manner despite the fire from the airplanes and did all this with the cooperation of thousands of people, not one of whom has leaked. In a seperate instance they made a missile or an A3 look exactly like a Boeing passenger airliner and hid the real airliner with all its passengers, faked the calls from the hijacked plane, got American Airlines and the insurance companies to just write it off.

Yeah, I can see the government doing a flawless job of putting a plan like that in place.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
So they loaded two buildings up with massive amounts of thermite and explosives with the necessary wiring with nobody noticing and then crashed an airliner into each, then set the thermite and explosives off in a precise controlled manner despite the fire from the airplanes and did all this with the cooperation of thousands of people, not one of whom has leaked. In a seperate instance they made a missile or an A3 look exactly like a Boeing passenger airliner and hid the real airliner with all its passengers, faked the calls from the hijacked plane, got American Airlines and the insurance companies to just write it off.

You forgot that the explosives were time perfectly to make it look like the buildings were falling due to gravity.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: sadguy
Hm. Paramedics, reporters, fire fighters saying there were explosions before and during the collapses.

An explosion doesn't have to be a bomb. It could be the fire making contact with highly flammable materials or parts of the tower structure "blowing out" from the immense pressure exerted on them since many key support beams were weakened by the airplanes.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
So they loaded two buildings up with massive amounts of thermite and explosives with the necessary wiring with nobody noticing and then crashed an airliner into each, then set the thermite and explosives off in a precise controlled manner despite the fire from the airplanes and did all this with the cooperation of thousands of people, not one of whom has leaked. In a seperate instance they made a missile or an A3 look exactly like a Boeing passenger airliner and hid the real airliner with all its passengers, faked the calls from the hijacked plane, got American Airlines and the insurance companies to just write it off.

Yeah, I can see the government doing a flawless job of putting a plan like that in place.

What, are you telling me your faith in govt isnt that high?

 

[alchemize]

The CIA leaks information about secret prisons and has folks donating big bucks to Kerry, but they orchestrated it. The millitary can't manage to keep Abu Ghraib secret, but they executed it. Air Traffic Control crashes their ancient computers and the whole system goes down, but they covered it up. We could go on

But hey, some firefighters heard sounds like explosions in a burning and collapsing building!

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Even the k00kboi sites acknowledge it's going to take more than a few hundred pounds, and you're going to have to apply it directly to the beams in thick layers. Yeah, it's *possible*. But this would've been noticed by non-conspirators at the WTC, and would likely take dozens, if not hundreds, of co-conspirators to actually do the work. Just how big is this conspiracy, anyway?

All you need is one or two guys, opertunity, security clearance to work there, and time. They already have free access and the way security works in 99% of places is that once you are supposed to be there there's no reason to look more closely at what you are doing. Cleaning staff especially. Not like their boss is going to walk in and ask if they are done with the floor they were on on time. Never happen.

It's not like the explosives would have been placed in plain sight. If there's a steel support in the middle of the room what's around it? Ceiling tiles. Takes two seconds to lift with the help of a desk or chair and the explosives are suddenly invisible and stay invisible. The only way they would find it is if there was a water leak and a repairman had to come in to fix it and found the stuff all over the pillar. However even if he did saw it what are the chances he would know what he was looking at?

This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

You could probably make it look harmless. I can't give you an example since I don't know what the stuff looks like right out of a box. Maybe it can be molded and you can perhaps attach it to everything as a ring under the guise of seismic monitoring system.

That way you could have security standing right next to you installing the stuff and they wouldn't know jack what they were looking at as you put it everywhere.

Chances are nobody would notice. If it was a government (not neccessarily the US) they could still get the background of every person working there and make sure nobody who might realize what they are doing is working there when they do it.

Bottom line is that it could be done. It's quite scary actually as to how simple it is.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
I don't see why its so hard to understand that the WTC towers fell because the beams were weakened by the heat. Hot steel is not nearly as strong as colder steel.

Just how big is this conspiracy, anyway?

Well considering what all the wackos who support it claim. I would say it involves thousands of people including hundreds of regional air traffic controllers and hundreds of governmental employees.

Whom ever said that it has to be done by government employees of the US?

Not me.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Meuge
I don't give a ****** what a couple of people said on a heavily edited ultra-biased conspiracy-nut tape. There were no explosives there... and the reason I know that (aside from the obvious), is that if one was planning to bring WTC down via explosives, there would've been no reason at all to use an airplane altogether. It was already bombed in the basement once... if someone wanted to take it down for publicity's sake, they just had to follow the old formula. Again, the thought that a giant conspiracy took place, to do something that could be done 1000X easier, then cover it up so loosely that even the dumbest ****** can dispute it, simply doesn't pass Occam's Razor. The only way to believe it is to either be utterly obsessed with conspiracies, or have the intelligence of a peanut... or both.

An explosive in the basement is not a guarantee that it would make the tower fall. The truck that blew up there was deliberatly parked away from the main support columns kinda in between them from what I recall. Tower still stood. You telling me they should have parked a truck next to each tower and nobody from security would have noticed this sudden surge of trucks being parked next to support columns? What about the other buildings. You going to rent/steal dozens of trucks and park them everywhere filled with explosives? Lets say you did and the towers fell. How is that going to look? That a monitored section of the building had a couple of guys park dozens of trucks everywhere and nobody ever noticed or did anything about it? That's only one aspect.

What if someone was already parked next to a beam. Are you going to break into the vehicle and re-park it elsewhere? How many vehicles are you going to do that to until you are noticed and security/cops nab you?

What if you can't quite park a truck next to each beam because there is no parking around there. You going to leave the truck there so that some random person gets stuck and calls security (assuming they can't see it on camera).

Lets say you tried to avoid all this by having two people drive each truck at the exact same time into all buildings and parked the trucks in place all at the same time. How many trucks will pass muster until security stops one and wants to peek into the back? Lets say you killed them you think nobody is going to notice?

Even if you did all of the above and lets say you did succeed and had to kill a few security guys the old fashion way and you all walked out. How are you going to blow it up sync timers on watches? Because if you are late anywhere one explosion could quite easily stop several others around it or have it not explode right or in the right place and you just failed.

There are so many things left to chance with this that it's outragous, let alone stupid.

However if you wanted to cover it up two planes crashing into the buildings would do it nicely. Especially if you then had a report made with people that should have no place at the site of a disaster like this. Where are the experts that actually deal with this on a practicle hands on level every single day for decades. You know like fires? Oh yeah they were completely left out so that some random suit with a PH D could write up a report that left details and entire sections of what a good fire report should have undone. Oh but of course we already know the cause so why look at all the facts. Some of it is enough to come to a conclusion because, oh my, a plane hit the building.

So what did they do? I think they had a conclusion from the start and wrote a report with facts that would fit that conclusion and nobody would ask questions because how can you doubt that a plane hit the towers? You can't. Yeah that will pass peer review (non shills).

Oh and Meuge you know jack about the subject from even a passive standpoint so if I were you I wouldn't be trying to grandstand. At least I know a little about explosives and I can rub two braincells togeather to figure out how someone would level a building and not get caught. Shocking I know. Maybe they will send in the black helicopters and disapear me.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: alchemize
The CIA leaks information about secret prisons and has folks donating big bucks to Kerry, but they orchestrated it. The millitary can't manage to keep Abu Ghraib secret, but they executed it. Air Traffic Control crashes their ancient computers and the whole system goes down, but they covered it up. We could go on

But hey, some firefighters heard sounds like explosions in a burning and collapsing building!

Yeah since fire fighters are clueless folk who don't know anything about fire. Silly us.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Even the k00kboi sites acknowledge it's going to take more than a few hundred pounds, and you're going to have to apply it directly to the beams in thick layers. Yeah, it's *possible*. But this would've been noticed by non-conspirators at the WTC, and would likely take dozens, if not hundreds, of co-conspirators to actually do the work. Just how big is this conspiracy, anyway?

All you need is one or two guys, opertunity, security clearance to work there, and time. They already have free access and the way security works in 99% of places is that once you are supposed to be there there's no reason to look more closely at what you are doing. Cleaning staff especially. Not like their boss is going to walk in and ask if they are done with the floor they were on on time. Never happen.

It's not like the explosives would have been placed in plain sight. If there's a steel support in the middle of the room what's around it? Ceiling tiles. Takes two seconds to lift with the help of a desk or chair and the explosives are suddenly invisible and stay invisible. The only way they would find it is if there was a water leak and a repairman had to come in to fix it and found the stuff all over the pillar. However even if he did saw it what are the chances he would know what he was looking at?

This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

You could probably make it look harmless. I can't give you an example since I don't know what the stuff looks like right out of a box. Maybe it can be molded and you can perhaps attach it to everything as a ring under the guise of seismic monitoring system.

That way you could have security standing right next to you installing the stuff and they wouldn't know jack what they were looking at as you put it everywhere.

Chances are nobody would notice. If it was a government (not neccessarily the US) they could still get the background of every person working there and make sure nobody who might realize what they are doing is working there when they do it.

Bottom line is that it could be done. It's quite scary actually as to how simple it is.

So simple I am surprised people arent doing this more often!

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Aelius


This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

But it's just as ridiculous.

A multi floor multi building installation with hundreds to thousands of pounds of high explosive, thousands of pounds of thermite, with the ability to be set off at precise times on precise floors. You need thousands of man hours. You need to do it such that no plumber, electrician, painter, decorator, or IT guy happens to find it or notice it over these thousands of man hours. The explosives and wiring has to be completely fireproof and everything has to work flawlessly an hour after the building's been hit with a large airliner.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Aelius


This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

But it's just as ridiculous.

A multi floor multi building installation with hundreds to thousands of pounds of high explosive, thousands of pounds of thermite, with the ability to be set off at precise times on precise floors. You need thousands of man hours. You need to do it such that no plumber, electrician, painter, decorator, or IT guy happens to find it or notice it over these thousands of man hours. The explosives and wiring has to be completely fireproof and everything has to work flawlessly an hour after the building's been hit with a large airliner.

Well that would depend on the design. Water likely goes through the ceiling but network and phone lines are not likely since usually they run through floor jacks. Unless someone here knows exactly how the WTC functioned prior to 9/11.

However as I pointed out it's not that easy to see what an explosive is if it's camo'd properly. Even I may not notice that something is an explosive and I know a little about it. The chances of a random IT person knowing what it was is fairly low compared to the truck bomb suggestion that just screams getting caught.

Anyway all of this is a theory. I don't know what the construction of the WTC was like prior to 9/11 and what I suggest may not even be possible depending on the construction. It's just a theory based on what little info I got.

Now if you gave me the entire plan for the WTC and I have a chance to walk through it and had easy access after hours to poke around it's possible that I could come up with a far better theory as to how it could have been done. Again it would just be a theory.

So unless there is a balls to the wall investigation, without bias that can pass proper peer review, we will never know.

I don't see that happening. So I guess you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think there's more to say really.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: alchemize
The CIA leaks information about secret prisons and has folks donating big bucks to Kerry, but they orchestrated it. The millitary can't manage to keep Abu Ghraib secret, but they executed it. Air Traffic Control crashes their ancient computers and the whole system goes down, but they covered it up. We could go on

But hey, some firefighters heard sounds like explosions in a burning and collapsing building!

Yeah since fire fighters are clueless folk who don't know anything about fire. Silly us.

Yah, I'm sure firefighters are in buildings all the time that have demolition charges going off in them. Silly you :roll:

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Aelius


This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

But it's just as ridiculous.

A multi floor multi building installation with hundreds to thousands of pounds of high explosive, thousands of pounds of thermite, with the ability to be set off at precise times on precise floors. You need thousands of man hours. You need to do it such that no plumber, electrician, painter, decorator, or IT guy happens to find it or notice it over these thousands of man hours. The explosives and wiring has to be completely fireproof and everything has to work flawlessly an hour after the building's been hit with a large airliner.

It's clear that he's never seen the preparation for a demolition. For the building the size of WTC, you'd need TENS OF THOUSANDS of holes drilled, then filled with TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHARGES, and the wiring to the charges would have to be of specific lengths and couldn't be compromised. Yet apparently not only didn't anyone notice a dozen miles of heavy gauge wire put in, or TENS OF THOUSANDS of holes being drilled... but the entire system was so exquisitely engineered that it would be absolutely indestructible by a CRASHING PLANE.

But THAT'S NOT ALL!!!

Not only that, but the system which I guess was engineered by people who know far more about demolition than professional demolition companies which actually perform large-scale demolitions, was also thought out just so badly, that the evidence of this demolition would be freely available on videotaped recordings, as well as eyewitness accounts.

Listen, if you're going to construct a conspiracy theory, at least be consistent. Either it was done by people who were so smart they were beyond human, or people who were too stupid to foresee how some loser with a magnifying glass would easily see through the absence of any coverup and uncover this magic plan.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: alchemize
The CIA leaks information about secret prisons and has folks donating big bucks to Kerry, but they orchestrated it. The millitary can't manage to keep Abu Ghraib secret, but they executed it. Air Traffic Control crashes their ancient computers and the whole system goes down, but they covered it up. We could go on

But hey, some firefighters heard sounds like explosions in a burning and collapsing building!

Yeah since fire fighters are clueless folk who don't know anything about fire. Silly us.

Yah, I'm sure firefighters are in buildings all the time that have demolition charges going off in them. Silly you :roll:

Who said anything about demolition charges as if it was a fact? That's just a theory that happens to fit the facts yet you got some sort of hard on for this as being a fact because it conflicts with the official story which is just another theory that happens to have a corrupt (fact) government's stamp of approval.

What I am talking about is a building that's about to fall down and the experiences of those fire fighters should not be easily discounted. I don't care what they think it was. I care about what they saw and heard because those are facts. Instead it should be examined and properly investigated. If it is explained as being something other then a demolition (current most likely theory opposite of official theory) then so be it. I don't recall this being investigated at any time.

The report itself appears to be almost contradictory where the math, theory and evidence only lean lightly towards the conclusion that is presented as fact while other avenues, far more likely, are ignored and other evidence that contradicts the theory is ignored. The report is thin as are the conclusions and theory presented. I dare say it's an outright fabrication. They should have come clean with the report. Now it puts doubt on the white wash I'm about to describe could happen under the best case scenario for tin foilers.

Now even if the theory of the demolition is true it's pretty thin trying to link it to any government be that the US, Israel or otherwise.

If, and I say this fairly seriously, this was a black bag operation I find it nay impossible to swallow that the US military was in any way in on it knowingly. It would not make much sense. I would gladly put my life in the hands of any US soldier in this case. My theory, which has very little evidence to support it, is that it was a foreign operation.

If this came out that it was it would be the perfect cover as there would likely be nothing to lead back to anyone even if this was concluded after an extensive investigation. All this would prove is that the planes didn't bring the building down and that the terrorists had help from an outside source which could still lead back to the Middle East and we would still be exactly where we are and there would be no consequences at any level in the current administration. In fact this could be spun to point the finger at another nation should investigation suggest it was and we may end up in another war. Truth or not there's no way to know. All I know is there would be a very big shadow of a doubt over any conclusions even if they seemed 100% legit that can't be argued against. Doubt would always remain.

It would be the perfect white wash and to anyone on the outside it would look 100% legit with nothing linking back to the US government or other domestic intrests. It would be virtually impossible to prove otherwise without access to information that is a state secret or is likely already destroyed or perhaps never existed because there was no white wash and it was 100% truth.

And that's the best case scenario that we have to look forward to.

By no means is it neccessarily the truth.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Aelius


This aint Die Hard where you have a huge black box thing with a red light flashing and the words C4 printed clearly on bricks everywhere.

But it's just as ridiculous.

A multi floor multi building installation with hundreds to thousands of pounds of high explosive, thousands of pounds of thermite, with the ability to be set off at precise times on precise floors. You need thousands of man hours. You need to do it such that no plumber, electrician, painter, decorator, or IT guy happens to find it or notice it over these thousands of man hours. The explosives and wiring has to be completely fireproof and everything has to work flawlessly an hour after the building's been hit with a large airliner.

It's clear that he's never seen the preparation for a demolition. For the building the size of WTC, you'd need TENS OF THOUSANDS of holes drilled, then filled with TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHARGES, and the wiring to the charges would have to be of specific lengths and couldn't be compromised. Yet apparently not only didn't anyone notice a dozen miles of heavy gauge wire put in, or TENS OF THOUSANDS of holes being drilled... but the entire system was so exquisitely engineered that it would be absolutely indestructible by a CRASHING PLANE.

But THAT'S NOT ALL!!!

Not only that, but the system which I guess was engineered by people who know far more about demolition than professional demolition companies which actually perform large-scale demolitions, was also thought out just so badly, that the evidence of this demolition would be freely available on videotaped recordings, as well as eyewitness accounts.

Listen, if you're going to construct a conspiracy theory, at least be consistent. Either it was done by people who were so smart they were beyond human, or people who were too stupid to foresee how some loser with a magnifying glass would easily see through the absence of any coverup and uncover this magic plan.

I have seen the preparation for a demo and I know what it all looks like but I never touched or used any of it.

It looks something like this.

It's never the same for all buildings since each one is constructed differently. Be that as it may there's no explaination given for the evidence presented which is conclusive. Not on your side and not on mine.

If you wanted to be 100% sure that the WTC would fall you don't need to wire the entire building from stem to stern and everything in between. It most certainly doesn't look like Die Hard either.

You could put thermite (makes very little noise) to cut through each beam and place an explosive against each beam to nudge it out of place. That's what is normally done but then all other columns and supports would also be wired. Now that I find very hard to swallow because as you so rightly pointed out you would need to drill.

However thermite is noiseless to place and as far as I know you don't need to drill for the explosive to nudge the beam.

I don't know a whole lot about building demo but I do know that you don't need to take out every single support. It's done to make sure it's 100% done right 100% of the time for reasons of safety, property damage and cost (cleanup etc). This way you are 100% sure the building will fall in only one possible way. In the case of the WTC no such issues would need to be addressed. You just gota make sure the thing fell. Cutting the main supports and kicking them from under each floor would most certainly have done that but unless it's investigated we will never know.

 

[Meuge]

If all you wanted was for the building to fall, there would be no need for airplanes to crash into it. I've said this before.

And as far as placing thermite... do you really think the support beams are exposed in skyscrapers? They are encased in concrete and fireproofing material. That's why you drill, and that's why you use shaped charges.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Meuge
If all you wanted was for the building to fall, there would be no need for airplanes to crash into it. I've said this before.

And as far as placing thermite... do you really think the support beams are exposed in skyscrapers? They are encased in concrete and fireproofing material. That's why you drill, and that's why you use shaped charges.

Bah - all that drilling, and torch-cutting of rebar, and support weakening they do in demolition jobs is really just to run up the billing rate - it serves no purpose

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Meuge
If all you wanted was for the building to fall, there would be no need for airplanes to crash into it. I've said this before.

And as far as placing thermite... do you really think the support beams are exposed in skyscrapers? They are encased in concrete and fireproofing material. That's why you drill, and that's why you use shaped charges.

As I said I don't know a whole lot about it just a little. What you say makes sense and I find it highly unlikely that anyone could or would drill. I doubt they used lasers to drill as industrial sized ones that could cut through concrete are quite large as I understand it. I may be wrong? If so it would be nay impossible to not get caught. However you could possibly re-assemble it on site. But wouldn't they catch on to pulling that much power? I doubt you could simply plug it into a wall jack.

That's for the investigation to prove or disprove.

However it's still the most likely theory based on the evidence. The plane theory is far more highly unlikely and I already explained why you would need a plane to hit the towers but I'll put it more simply. You need someone to blame especially if it's legit and they did do it for real.

Now if the towers would have simply stood and maybe a total of a few dozen people died (from the initital impact and subsequent fire), then the US may not have gone to all out war. Perhaps it wouldn't have made any difference. Perhaps bringing down the towers was a symbolic thing to ensure public support or there was other motives. I doubt we would ever know, it's just more theory.

As far as the supports go what you just said paints quite a different picture on the report. Enough of the columns would need to be exposed and kept at 1000C to weaken the supports. Now some suggest even that's not enough to get to the maximum tolerance of the building but instead to only 2/3 and if the concrete and fire proofing was in place then to roughly 1/3.

To be honest I don't know what to think and that's why I bother to reply and keep this debate going. Trying to keep myself honest and thinking. With all the evidence and conclusions, or lack thereof both, it's too easy to fall into a pit where you see a conspiracy everywhere. It's also far too easy to be a lemming and just follow everybody else like you are told.

I'm somewhere in the middle.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Meuge
If all you wanted was for the building to fall, there would be no need for airplanes to crash into it. I've said this before.

And as far as placing thermite... do you really think the support beams are exposed in skyscrapers? They are encased in concrete and fireproofing material. That's why you drill, and that's why you use shaped charges.

Bah - all that drilling, and torch-cutting of rebar, and support weakening they do in construction jobs is really just to run up the billing rate - it serves no purpose

Further proof you have no idea what you are talking about even on the surface. Nice try trying to seem informed.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: fornax

Originally posted by: MadRat
Not to play Devil's advcoate here, but the Russian spy satellites have been largely nonexistent in the last ten years. Their last three have fizzled out only recently - after having only been sent up in the past year alone. They are having a difficult time keeping them alive let alone launching new ones.

I think you you should check your sources. The Russians have about 60 military/security satellites in orbit. How many of them are "spy" satellites is a different question, but I doubt that none are. Some of their high-resolution satellites are dead, but not all. They just launched an Israeli spy satellite, an Iranian "remote sensing" (yeah right) satellite, and I believe a European one. They are not short of launching capabilities, that's for sure.

Perhaps you confuse geostationary orbiters for spy satellites? Early warning satellites and infrared search satellites were launched in large numbers by the Russians. But they do relatively nothing for surveillance and fact checking.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Meuge
If all you wanted was for the building to fall, there would be no need for airplanes to crash into it. I've said this before.

And as far as placing thermite... do you really think the support beams are exposed in skyscrapers? They are encased in concrete and fireproofing material. That's why you drill, and that's why you use shaped charges.

Bah - all that drilling, and torch-cutting of rebar, and support weakening they do in construction jobs is really just to run up the billing rate - it serves no purpose

Further proof you have no idea what you are talking about even on the surface. Nice try trying to seem informed.

Typo - meant demolition typed construction. Doesn't really matter - all the tinfoil in the world couldn't wrap that swollen head of yours, Mr. 3D.