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Video: Numerous individuals taken out

Nothing to be seen here.. move along now...

I was watching ABC news at like 3am in the morning and they showed live footage of Najaf and the place is just a frigging nightmare.. the whole town is destroyed by AC-130's that would come in at night and hover there and fill buildings with holes...

They showed images of the town in ruin..
 
Don't ask me. I have no way of telling if this is a genuine US Military issue Fallujah massacre video or a clever hoax.

But if it is genuine...

 
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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Were the target really "insurgents"? I find it hard to believe that people with military training would run so close together.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr

Were the target really "insurgents"? I find it hard to believe that people with military training would run so close together.
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Tough to know.

FWIW, I tend to believe the story posted by TLC - our pilots aren't trained to murder civilians, and he wouldn't have been so quickly cleared to fire at a crowd unless they had reason to believe there were large numbers of enemy combatants in the area.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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Were the target really "insurgents"? I find it hard to believe that people with military training would run so close together.
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Why the assumption they had any military training?

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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That is believeable to me.. honestly.

and GrGr - many of those insurgents are normal people who ae willing to take up arms against th US.. not too well organized...
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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That is believeable to me.. honestly.

and GrGr - many of those insurgents are normal people who ae willing to take up arms against th US.. not too well organized...
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Well then how could the pilot see if the "individuals" were civilans or "insurgents". Or are all civilians in Fallujah "insurgents" simply because they are in Fallujah? Maybe these individuals were in fact civilians fleeing the fighting.
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Were the target really "insurgents"?
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Of course they were! This tasteslikechicken fellow and his "military expert" friend say so, it must be true!
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If you'll notice in the description I provided, and when you listen to the video itself, the pilot was speaking to a FAC (Forward Air Controller). This guy was either on the ground or elsewhere in the air with a better look, had most likely been observing insurgents entering and leaving, and knew what was going on.

If you want to adhere to the belief that US military pilots and their support crew are indiscriminately killing civilians nilly-willy just to get their jollies, help yourself.

Consider this though. Do you really think the military is going to release footage of their misses or failures? C'mon. Get real.
 
The FAC in these cases is most often relying on a first-hand observatoin, most likely a helicopter with "eyes-on", or sometimes a combat troop with "visuals" and/or contact with the enemy at that location.

U.S. forces do not indiscriminately shoot at anything. Your career is over in a minute if you try it that way. It's doubly so as a pilot.

Nothing here, MoveOn
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A friend of mine sent me that video in e-mail at the beginning of August. He's quite the military buff and here was his description, since the website decided to omit or disregard the surrounding circumstances:

This is an F16 doing CAS during the recent fighting in Fallujah. As you know we have been bombing insurgent "safe houses" with some success recently. This F16 was on such a mission, to hit a house with an LGB, when 30+ insurgents left the building en masse to hurry to a nearby engagement with US Marines which had been going on for hours. The pilot communicates with a FAC, and changes the flight path of the bomb while it is in the air. You can clearly see the "L" flashing in the MFD, and "TGP" is selected. The bomb itself is a 500 pounder, as Mk84s would be overkill in an urban setting where the ROE calls for minimal "collateral damage".
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That is believeable to me.. honestly.

and GrGr - many of those insurgents are normal people who ae willing to take up arms against th US.. not too well organized...
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Well then how could the pilot see if the "individuals" were civilans or "insurgents". Or are all civilians in Fallujah "insurgents" simply because they are in Fallujah? Maybe these individuals were in fact civilians fleeing the fighting.
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From the explanation ... the pilot was going in to bomb a home that was housing militants .. Just as he set the bomb free the militants came running out of the house and he re-directed it to hit them.. They were the intended target
 
the webpage says they are innocent civilians. How does he know that. Also, it's very suspicous for a group of people to run out a building all at once. They were obviously militants...
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Were the target really "insurgents"?
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Of course they were! This tasteslikechicken fellow and his "military expert" friend say so, it must be true!
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If you'll notice in the description I provided, and when you listen to the video itself, the pilot was speaking to a FAC (Forward Air Controller). This guy was either on the ground or elsewhere in the air with a better look, had most likely been observing insurgents entering and leaving, and knew what was going on.

If you want to adhere to the belief that US military pilots and their support crew are indiscriminately killing civilians nilly-willy just to get their jollies, help yourself.

Consider this though. Do you really think the military is going to release footage of their misses or failures? C'mon. Get real.
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"But thre USA is so evil" ....... Rrriiiggghhhtttt !!!! ............:roll:
 
If they have observed airstrikes for a year, why did they group in the street as to make a perfect target? You can hear those jets overhead right? I'm not drawing any conclusions, just wondering.

That would suck if it was a bunch of kids running off to play soccer.
 
I don't think it was a bunch of kids and I do think it was insurgents. They heard the jets so they ran out of the building.
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I don't think it was a bunch of kids and I do think it was insurgents. They heard the jets so they ran out of the building.
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And more importantly if you look at the whole site in context, its one of those, "lets get those dastardly Americans" because they have guns, unlike us peaceful Canadians who dont need them. They paint everything as a WC :roll: and play really sappy music with MTVesque popups so you can really see there one sided viewpoint. After your brainswashing youll be after those "dastardly Americans" too. :roll:
 
i think you should go ahead and ammend the OP just to clarify on what is in the video. while its descriptive for those that have seen the video it might not be the best content for people.
 
did anyone bother to watch the other video with the farm tractor???

insurgents there, also?

american politics sicken me, world politics sicken me. the rich get richer and the poor die excruciating deaths... on both sides. i wish i was rich. i'd move elsewhere like johnny depp.
 
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