ROFL.
Some of us "follow computing" or even do it for a living, but we've got better things to do than upgrade drivers all day long. If it ain't broke, I'm not going to waste my precious free time fixing it, and when I want to play a game, by god I want to play a game - I don't want to waste any of my precious free time troubleshooting a game that should work out of the box. I drop a disc in my Dreamcast, it goes. Immediately.
This isn't a car. It doesn't have moving parts. The drivers don't "degrade" over time. Your computer won't fail if you don't keep the drivers up to date as a car will if you never change the oil.
No, this is more like getting a new shifter knob and finding that when you put it on, you can't shift gears without until you upgrade to the latest steering wheel.
If your only argument is that it's in another room... just give up
What if my argument was that my xbox (hypothetically; I don't actually have one) was in another room?My mother recently bought a Compaq, not deigning to even mention wanting a computer to me. She thinks memory is storage. She frequently calls me up because she gets lost using the direcTV remote control, often changing the tv's channel instead of the box's and not knowing what she did or how to fix it, and proclaiming me a genius when I talk her through it. She also thinks she's pretty tech-savvy.
If it takes you more than 2 minutes, much less "all day", to update drivers.... :roll:
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Originally posted by: Gurck
If your only argument is that it's in another room... just give up
My mother recently bought a Compaq, not deigning to even mention wanting a computer to me. She thinks memory is storage. She frequently calls me up because she gets lost using the direcTV remote control, often changing the tv's channel instead of the box's and not knowing what she did or how to fix it, and proclaiming me a genius when I talk her through it. She also thinks she's pretty tech-savvy.
If it takes you more than 2 minutes, much less "all day", to update drivers.... :roll:
What's wrong with the argument if my computer is in another room? I honestly know NO ONE who has a computer anywhere near their big screen television. It's just not a regular option for your average home gamer. It's a lot easier to pick up an XBOX and move it to another room as opposed to doing the same thing for a computer.
The point is, I fix computers all day long, the last thing I want to do is fix mine. Besides, it takes longer than 2 minutes to upgrade all of the drivers between downloading, uninstalling the old ones, reboot, reinstall the new ones, reboot...
Nonetheless, it doesn't matter how long it takes. When I want to play a game, I want to play a game. That doesn't mean troubleshoot why the game is too slow or the sound is chopping up or it won't start at all. That means PLAY.
I can see by your posts that you're another one of those types who thinks that PCs are the best and anyone who doesn't build their own PC is a moron, etc.
The truth is, some of us have gotten over the "thrill" of building PCs. When my last motherboard failed, I WANTED to buy a Dell, but I couldn't justify the cost when I had enough spare parts laying around to slap together yet another frankenbox.
And you know what? I hated every minute of re-building it. I don't get any enjoyment out of that anymore, and it certainly doesn't earn me any money. It's just plugging cards in slots.
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Do a profile search for Wduaqnug. Read some of his topics. Then you'll understand.Originally posted by: VanillaH
eh? i am lost... care to elaborate?
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sorry to hear you have to go thru that trouble all day... but then thats not a very accurate representation of what most computer gamers feel about taking care of their computers...
i see it as a double edged sword. CS would never be half as fun without custom skins and decals. DECALS!!!!
you can always count on me being a pro-choice than pro-halssle-free....man. I agree with every word of that post
after spending all day building boxes and repairing hardware, the thrill is gone.fact is, when I get home after spending 10 hours working on computers, I'd much rather pop a CD into my PS2 and veg out on the couch than sit back down in front of a PC.
plus, there are only, like, 3 PC RPG's worth playing, and console RPG's are greater than all of them.
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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Do a profile search for Wduaqnug. Read some of his topics. Then you'll understand.Originally posted by: VanillaH
eh? i am lost... care to elaborate?
been there done that... only thing i came up with was this. but from the way you make it sound i have a feeling he wasnt getting too much respect around here....
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This is another huge annoyance. The worse part about your scenario is that you know what you're doing. What about the people who have no clue and have to call people like me (or you) to come fix their computer so that it will play the newest wham-bam fps? 'It says I need something like new drivers and what's this XDirect thingy?'
PC gaming will never hit mainstream until they can figure out a way to standardize and make the gaming experience a lot less of a hassle.
You're making a huge deal out of something that's rarely necessary, and only adviseable a few times a year. Most driver upgrades are for video cards, and generally only necessary for newer generation ones. For instance, I'm using the 44.03 dets, which were released at least a year ago, for my 4600. You act as if every game requires an hour of tinkering and a new rig to get working, and that's simply not the case unless you're using a 5 year old Dell without an AGP slot (see next quote). A total of about a half hour of 'work' a year doing necessary maintenance and you consider this a foundation to base your argument on?
Not at all, prebuilts certainly have their place. I brought it up in passing, and at that only because the only time you could conceivably have troubles running a new game are if you're not tech-savvy and own an old prebuilt.
I can't remember the last game I tried to play that worked completely 100% right out of the box. Admittedly, once I bought the Dreamcast and remembered why playing on a console was so fun (hassle-free), I largely got out of bothering with PC games, but both Warcraft III and Worms3D did not play right out of the box.
That is the basis of my argument. You singled out one phrase in my post pertaining to drivers, but the crux of my post was that I prefer to be able to play a new game right out of the box, no troubleshooting.
Picked up a Logitech Dual Action controller at Best Buy for just over 20 bucks. Kinda a bitch to configure for the older Emulators, but the N64's are set up very nicely for controller configuration
Originally posted by: RobCur
it seems like kids are playing video games these day ranging from age 3-12years old and from 13 and up, most of them use computer. btw computer rulez
I highly doubt this.
While a lot more teens play computer games than say 10 yrs ago (when I was beginning to be a teen), I don't think there's a shift. If anything, they play both.
Most kids cannot afford a new cpu/vc every 18 months, and neither can parents.
I can't remember a game not playing out of the box for me. Warcraft III did, Far Cry did... UT2k4 demo did (thank god I got the demo only & didn't waste ~$30 on that one
), UT2k3 demo did as well, for that matter. I'm not saying you don't know what you're doing... but I'm by no means an expert and have had not one problem.You know, I used to be the biggest fan of pc games, but not so much anymore. Back in the n64 games, PCs absolutely destroyed consoles. But this generation and I get the feeling from now on, the better experience is simply the consoles.
n64/psx games looked terrible (yes even from the start), and didnt get much better over the years. The first real 3d accelerator (voodoo1), was ten times better than them both, and with online gaming, it was just a new thing, and there were experiences on the PC that you just couldnt find on a console.
But nowadays, PC games are stuck in 5 years ago. There is NO innovation at all, because of the chicken and egg problem. Jumping on the 3d bandwagon is a no brainer. But we have cards with all these amazing features, and practically zero of them get used. They might sprinkle some dx8 or dx9 effects somewhere and call it a dx9 game, but its just a little flash. Because the developers know that most people simply cant run those features, so they dont waste their time. Not until far cry, or ironically, Halo for PCs, have shaders really been used. The geforce 3 came out what, 3 years ago, and we're just starting to see games take advantage of it now? There simply is just no space for hardware innovation in pc games. Force feedback mice never took off, but they should have. I still see tons of games with no 3d sound, and many that I do are buggy crap, because everyone's sound card decodes it differently, and creative is a monopoly that has taken that sector of the market and run it into the ground.
Then I turn on any of my consoles, and while the resolution and the textures may be a bit less detailed, there are ten times more effects and stuff that you just wont find on PCs, and not because they cant do them, but because programmers:
A) Dont waste their time on them because they know most people cant run it, and most people wouldnt notice them if they could.
B) There is no need for efficiency on a PC when brute force is expected to do the job.
The console games run every time I play them, and Ive had some sort of bug with every PC game. Dont even get me started on patching. I can even play a good deal of them online now. Theres no way to recreate the feeling of having 3 or more of your friends playing something together. And then theres drivers, bugs etc.
And to top it all off, aside from doom 3 and half life 2 (which are both coming out on xbox anyway), after seeing everything from e3, I cant think of a single PC game Im excited about playing. The showing at e3 was terrible. And this is at the end of the console's life, so where are all the PC games that destroy consoles like there were last gen? Soon the new consoles are going to come out, and then its time for me to basically forget about PC gaming for a few years.
Now that consoles can create a decent 3d experience, unlike last gen, PC games are going to be back on the sidelines again. Sure Ill pick up a fps or rts here or there, but I think im pretty safe in assuming my radeon 9800 will run games for years to come, and maybe, just maybe, Ill actually see real dx9 in a game.
n64/psx games looked terrible (yes even from the start), and didnt get much better over the years. The first real 3d accelerator (voodoo1), was ten times better than them both, and with online gaming, it was just a new thing, and there were experiences on the PC that you just couldnt find on a console.
But nowadays, PC games are stuck in 5 years ago. There is NO innovation at all, because of the chicken and egg problem. Jumping on the 3d bandwagon is a no brainer. But we have cards with all these amazing features, and practically zero of them get used. They might sprinkle some dx8 or dx9 effects somewhere and call it a dx9 game, but its just a little flash. Because the developers know that most people simply cant run those features, so they dont waste their time. Not until far cry, or ironically, Halo for PCs, have shaders really been used. The geforce 3 came out what, 3 years ago, and we're just starting to see games take advantage of it now? There simply is just no space for hardware innovation in pc games. Force feedback mice never took off, but they should have. I still see tons of games with no 3d sound, and many that I do are buggy crap, because everyone's sound card decodes it differently, and creative is a monopoly that has taken that sector of the market and run it into the ground.
Then I turn on any of my consoles, and while the resolution and the textures may be a bit less detailed, there are ten times more effects and stuff that you just wont find on PCs, and not because they cant do them, but because programmers:
A) Dont waste their time on them because they know most people cant run it, and most people wouldnt notice them if they could.
B) There is no need for efficiency on a PC when brute force is expected to do the job.
The console games run every time I play them, and Ive had some sort of bug with every PC game. Dont even get me started on patching. I can even play a good deal of them online now. Theres no way to recreate the feeling of having 3 or more of your friends playing something together. And then theres drivers, bugs etc.
And to top it all off, aside from doom 3 and half life 2 (which are both coming out on xbox anyway), after seeing everything from e3, I cant think of a single PC game Im excited about playing. The showing at e3 was terrible. And this is at the end of the console's life, so where are all the PC games that destroy consoles like there were last gen? Soon the new consoles are going to come out, and then its time for me to basically forget about PC gaming for a few years.
Now that consoles can create a decent 3d experience, unlike last gen, PC games are going to be back on the sidelines again. Sure Ill pick up a fps or rts here or there, but I think im pretty safe in assuming my radeon 9800 will run games for years to come, and maybe, just maybe, Ill actually see real dx9 in a game.
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