Video Format War is OVER!!! Blu-Ray Has Won

[Apocalypse23]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
P.S. I almost bought the Sharp Aquos 52" 120MHz LCD because it was offered with a free BlueRay player. Tempting. But then, I figured the "free" player was just incorporated into the TV's price. nothing is free.

I have a 46" Sharp Aquos 60Mhz LCD and it makes my Dell 2405 looked washed out and blurry. I'd reccomend one.

see my rig, i have the exact sharp 46" hi 5!

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
Thank got i bought a ps3 and thank god blu ray won it finally. its better, has more capacity atleast and I LOVE 1080P 46" BLURAY MOVIE WATCHING!! LOL!

There really isnt much difference between the two. They both encode movies the same. I believe BluRay may have a lossless audio option which if you have the audio setup is nice. The majority of people dont so the point is moot. And capacity means nothing, honestly.

The difference between 1080i and 1080p if you TV deinterlaces correctly is nill as well.

there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE betwen 1080i and 1080p dude, you see the real difference in 1080p at 46" tvs and larger sizes, 1080p is so much more in depth and detail than 1080i. that's why i think hi def channels are not as good as 1080p because there isnt even enough bandwidth available to do that over satellite.

There's also the fact that Blu-Ray is encoded at a higher bitrate than HD DVD.

Just picture the movie studios producing one of these discs. The more space they have to work with, the higher the bitrate they can use.

I'm glad Blu-Ray won, but as Keys put it, it's not worth upgrading for. Once a player is around $50 I'll get one, and hopefully by then the movies will cost the same as DVDs (and I'll actually be able to rent them).

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

The picture quality, sound quality, convenience, and features of DVD are drastically better in comparison to VHS. The same cannot be said while comparing DVD to Blu-Ray.

As for the $20 Blu-Ray movies: I would not buy them at that price. I typically pay under $10 for a DVD if I even buy one. I typically only rent and see little value in re-watching movies. I only ever buy one if I *really* like the film.

 

[ja1484]

I'll be goddamned.

After BetaMax, Memory Stick, MiniDisc, ATRAC/ATRAC3, and SDDS, Sony finally won a fucking format war.

Waita go there fellas.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

The picture quality, sound quality, convenience, and features of DVD are drastically better in comparison to VHS. The same cannot be said while comparing DVD to Blu-Ray.

As for the $20 Blu-Ray movies: I would not buy them at that price. I typically pay under $10 for a DVD if I even buy one. I typically only rent and see little value in re-watching movies. I only ever buy one if I *really* like the film.

That is true, and I never said otherwise. Its not nearly big of a technology jump from DVD to bluray, it is still a jump though. The PS3 itself is a fantastic DVD upconverter, and many people are happy like that, and dont feel the need for HD. Myself, I do. I hate to watch TV or movies that arent in HD anymore, just get used to how good everything looks and sounds I guess. Analog TV sucks anymore to me, and I rarely watch anything in it. Monk is a watched show still, cause USA is behind the times.

Just because you wont pay $10 for a DVD, doesnt mean millions of other people dont. He was wrong in saying that the average Joe wont spend $20 on a DVD. Go into any of the stores I mentioned, and see them do just that. Who do you think is the driving force behind movie sales? The average Joe, thats who. The "Walmart" crowd if you will.

In short, different people have different standards. Some people wont pay $20 for a movie, some will pay $30. Whatever makes people happy. I just spend $15 per ticket to go see that 3D Hannah Montana movie thats out, thats after spending an obscene amount for my wife and daughter to go see the concert. And Im sure we'll buy it on DVD/Bluray when it comes out, for at least $20. :sigh:

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

Dream on...My point is that even average Jack would not even buy SD dvd movies let alone BR or HD. Most people now are renting it. Only a few buy the titles they really like.

Let's face it, VOD will win at the end.

For the record. I bought my first DVD player (@Fry's) in 1998 for $750. Ouch!

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: ja1484
I'll be goddamned.

After BetaMax, Memory Stick, MiniDisc, ATRAC/ATRAC3, and SDDS, Sony finally won a fucking format war.

Waita go there fellas.

didn't they have some stupid floppy disk shaped walkman cassete thing too?

and the psp universal media disk too!

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

Dream on...My point is that even average Jack would not even buy SD dvd movies let alone BR or HD. Most people now are renting it. Only a few buy the titles they really like.

Let's face it, VOD will win at the end.

For the record. I bought my first DVD player (@Fry's) in 1998 for $750. Ouch!

Dream on? You're wrong, its easy to see. You not admitting it is astounding. The fact is, the average Joe does buy movies at $20, and is the bulk of movie sales. No matter if you admit it or not, doesnt change the truth of it.

And yes, at some point, solid media will give way to downloaded. When, is anyones guess for now. Its years down the road. Many years is my guess.

Coincidentally, its movie time for us right now. /out

 

[Odeen]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
Thank got i bought a ps3 and thank god blu ray won it finally. its better, has more capacity atleast and I LOVE 1080P 46" BLURAY MOVIE WATCHING!! LOL!

There really isnt much difference between the two. They both encode movies the same. I believe BluRay may have a lossless audio option which if you have the audio setup is nice. The majority of people dont so the point is moot. And capacity means nothing, honestly.

The difference between 1080i and 1080p if you TV deinterlaces correctly is nill as well.

That is entirely correct, but the problem is that NO TV deinterlaces correctly.

In practice, it's possible to reconstitute 1080i60 to 1080p24 (since movies are shot on film or DV at the rate of 24 full frames per second). To go from 1080p24 to 1080p60, each frame is split into two parts (frame 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, creating 1080i48) and then each second frame's first field is shown twice to create 1080i60 (1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, 2a).

As a result, you get "judder" where motion is no longer smooth, and some frames take 50% more on-screen time than others.

A video processor with enough horsepower to buffer 5 frames of 1080i video, analyze the 3:2 pulldown cadence, and reconstruct the 24P video is about $2500-$3000. As a side benefit, such video processor will also clean up all HDTV shows (which, like movies are shot at 24P and shown at 1080i) and adaptively deinterlace true 1080i broadcasts (using weave deinterlacing in areas with no motion, and bob deinterlacing in areas with motion)

But good luck getting your $1000 Westinghouse or $2000 Sharp to do all that for you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
Thank got i bought a ps3 and thank god blu ray won it finally. its better, has more capacity atleast and I LOVE 1080P 46" BLURAY MOVIE WATCHING!! LOL!

There really isnt much difference between the two. They both encode movies the same. I believe BluRay may have a lossless audio option which if you have the audio setup is nice. The majority of people dont so the point is moot. And capacity means nothing, honestly.

The difference between 1080i and 1080p if you TV deinterlaces correctly is nill as well.

there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE betwen 1080i and 1080p dude, you see the real difference in 1080p at 46" tvs and larger sizes, 1080p is so much more in depth and detail than 1080i. that's why i think hi def channels are not as good as 1080p because there isnt even enough bandwidth available to do that over satellite.

Uh they are the same resolution. The only difference is one renders at every other line while the other renders each line per pass. So what does 1080p bring to the table that would make a "huge" difference?

The funny part about the above is you are talking about a 46 inch screen. Many people including myself will have a hard time seeing the benefits of BluRay or HD-DVD over DVD on such a small screen.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
Thank got i bought a ps3 and thank god blu ray won it finally. its better, has more capacity atleast and I LOVE 1080P 46" BLURAY MOVIE WATCHING!! LOL!

There really isnt much difference between the two. They both encode movies the same. I believe BluRay may have a lossless audio option which if you have the audio setup is nice. The majority of people dont so the point is moot. And capacity means nothing, honestly.

The difference between 1080i and 1080p if you TV deinterlaces correctly is nill as well.

there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE betwen 1080i and 1080p dude, you see the real difference in 1080p at 46" tvs and larger sizes, 1080p is so much more in depth and detail than 1080i. that's why i think hi def channels are not as good as 1080p because there isnt even enough bandwidth available to do that over satellite.

Uh they are the same resolution. The only difference is one renders at every other line while the other renders each line per pass. So what does 1080p bring to the table that would make a "huge" difference?

The funny part about the above is you are talking about a 46 inch screen. Many people including myself will have a hard time seeing the benefits of BluRay or HD-DVD over DVD on such a small screen.

I have a 46" 1080P screen, and have seen a bunch of PPV movies in 1080i over satellite. They look distinctly better than DVD upscaled to 1080P, however DVDs still look great, albeit a little blurry in comparison.

As I said, I don't think Blu-Ray is worth any extra money over DVD. It's not like it costs the studios any more to produce films on the new formats; perhaps $1 more per disc at most. I suppose I would pay $1 extra for a Blu-Ray movie. *shrug*

 

[Apocalypse23]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

The picture quality, sound quality, convenience, and features of DVD are drastically better in comparison to VHS. The same cannot be said while comparing DVD to Blu-Ray.

As for the $20 Blu-Ray movies: I would not buy them at that price. I typically pay under $10 for a DVD if I even buy one. I typically only rent and see little value in re-watching movies. I only ever buy one if I *really* like the film.

That is true, and I never said otherwise. Its not nearly big of a technology jump from DVD to bluray, it is still a jump though. The PS3 itself is a fantastic DVD upconverter, and many people are happy like that, and dont feel the need for HD. Myself, I do. I hate to watch TV or movies that arent in HD anymore, just get used to how good everything looks and sounds I guess. Analog TV sucks anymore to me, and I rarely watch anything in it. Monk is a watched show still, cause USA is behind the times.

Just because you wont pay $10 for a DVD, doesnt mean millions of other people dont. He was wrong in saying that the average Joe wont spend $20 on a DVD. Go into any of the stores I mentioned, and see them do just that. Who do you think is the driving force behind movie sales? The average Joe, thats who. The "Walmart" crowd if you will.

In short, different people have different standards. Some people wont pay $20 for a movie, some will pay $30. Whatever makes people happy. I just spend $15 per ticket to go see that 3D Hannah Montana movie thats out, thats after spending an obscene amount for my wife and daughter to go see the concert. And Im sure we'll buy it on DVD/Bluray when it comes out, for at least $20. :sigh:

when i bought the ps3 when it came out, i went crazy and bought excellente blu0ray titles for about 34-CAD plus tax so rougly 40CAD per title, i am still pleased to this date:

casino royale
tears of the sun
open season
planet earth - amazing
sahara
the fountain
vertical limit
the last samurai
DeJAVU
enter the dragon - bruce lee

to this date i have loved every fine detail!

PS - I advise everyone to go rent LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD - amazing quality, just amazing!

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
casino royale
tears of the sun
open season
planet earth - amazing
sahara
the fountain
vertical limit
the last samurai
DeJAVU
enter the dragon - bruce lee

Other than Enter the Dragon (which is awesome) and Casino Royale (excluded because I haven't seen it), which of these are excellent?

Vertical Limit, in particular, is a crime against humanity.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Clearer picture? To be sure. Very nice. But not nice enough to justify it's overall costs for a player and any subsequent movie you buy for it. Corporate rape.

Disagreed. The price difference of new release is usually ~$10. ($20 for DVD, $30 for Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) I'd say spending $20 on DVD is a waste of money if you have a HD capable player and display set.

To me the difference is night and day. I stopped purchasing SD-DVD long time ago, unless it's a bargain bin stuff (i.e. $4~5)

Glad to see you think a 50% hike in price is justified. I don't. Same movie. And it blows my mind when you just said regular DVD's are a waste of money, when they have been a near perfect digital standard forever now.

So what's next. PurpL Ray?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So what's next. PurpL Ray?

They're not gonna use rays anymore, at least according to Bill Gates. I assume he means that everything will be streamed either off the internet or via cable/satellite.

 

[Belles Toaster]

So Blu-ray won, we all lose for now. These players are are overpriced as though I was expecting the the $29. Blu-ray players at the big box stores, we are going to see limited choices for consumers. What about H264 and Divx for the masses incorporated with the Blu-ray? Not likely soon. I will wait for that. What about all those people with HDMI sets bought in the last 2 years with sub 1.3 standards. What happens when the boardroom at Sony decides that it wants to give itself a big buck pat on the back by turning on HDCP protocols? Many say that this is unlikely but the world does not unfold the way corporate schemers envisage. DVDs are the new VHS and 8 tracs, I for one do not want to build a new library every ten years and create landfill with the old one, as a profile of the ideal consumer that can buy what ever pre-obsolete big ticket junk ,I' am tired for being taken.

 

[angry hampster]

Toaster..you don't have to switch to HD formats.

 

[SickBeast]

If someone released an HD format that uses standard DVDs, I'll bet it would take off alot faster than Blu-Ray.

I'll bet they could cram a pretty good looking HD movie onto a DVD using H.264 or something.

 

[nRollo]

I have the XBox 360 HD player and the Toshiba HD-A3 player so this news doesn't thrill me. OTOH I own very few HD movies, and in general don't watch movies more than once, so I never would have been a huge collector anyway.

Both work as upconverting DVD players, so it's not a total loss.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Clearer picture? To be sure. Very nice. But not nice enough to justify it's overall costs for a player and any subsequent movie you buy for it. Corporate rape.

Disagreed. The price difference of new release is usually ~$10. ($20 for DVD, $30 for Blu-Ray/HD-DVD) I'd say spending $20 on DVD is a waste of money if you have a HD capable player and display set.

To me the difference is night and day. I stopped purchasing SD-DVD long time ago, unless it's a bargain bin stuff (i.e. $4~5)

Glad to see you think a 50% hike in price is justified. I don't. Same movie. And it blows my mind when you just said regular DVD's are a waste of money, when they have been a near perfect digital standard forever now.

So what's next. PurpL Ray?

Say.. Imagine that a game comes out with a different quality limits per different discs. (Consoles already do this but not for a same title) One disc lets you play Oblivion at max 640x480, and the other disc lets you play the same game at 1920x1200. Would you pay $20 for the former or $30 for the latter? When you have a 24" monitor? Oh and add in 4AA/16AF for the 1920x1200. Not only the resolution difference but also there are visible efforts from studios for these next gen formats. DVD quality has been gone down the toilet really. I wonder what kind of process a movie goes through before it comes out in a DVD. (I'd imagine some automated filtering that takes ~30 mins per movie)

Edit: Granted the disc prices of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD are high as of now, but considering what I'm getting, $30 for those is way better than $20 for SD-DVD. Besides, just like there are cheaper ways to get DVDs, there are cheaper ways to get next gen discs. (still more than DVDs, but you get the point) Just like DVD prices go down after a short period of release, it's only natural that (hopefully sooner than later) Blu-Ray disc prices will go down.

 

[s44]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: videopho
Granted that average Jack/Joe would never buy this type of BR or HD-DVD machine and willing to shell out $20 per movie.

Ummm, take a look at Walmart, K-Mart, Bestbuy, Circuit City, etc, most if not all new movies are $20. And they sell like hot cakes. So you are 100% wrong about this. Lots of bluray movies at walmart are $25 when they first come out too, its not that drastic of an increase of price, for a much better looking version.

Seems people forget, or were too young to remember the price of DVD players when they came out. I bought one for $540. Over the years, they've dropped in price. The Sony BR player was $999 when it came out, and now its $400 everywhere. HH Greg has it this week for $360. Thats a huge drop in price already, and its only going to be going lower. Especially now that there is a winner, and other makers start producing players.

Dream on...My point is that even average Jack would not even buy SD dvd movies let alone BR or HD. Most people now are renting it. Only a few buy the titles they really like.

Let's face it, VOD will win at the end.

For the record. I bought my first DVD player (@Fry's) in 1998 for $750. Ouch!

Dream on? You're wrong, its easy to see. You not admitting it is astounding. The fact is, the average Joe does buy movies at $20, and is the bulk of movie sales. No matter if you admit it or not, doesnt change the truth of it.

Dude, you're wasting your time arguing with a bitter HD-DVD partisan.

Now that they can't claim HD-DVD will make a big comeback Real Soon Now, their new mantra is "it doesn't matter". Actually, it does, a lot.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: Belles Toaster
So Blu-ray won, we all lose for now. These players are are overpriced as though I was expecting the the $29. Blu-ray players at the big box stores, we are going to see limited choices for consumers. What about H264 and Divx for the masses incorporated with the Blu-ray? Not likely soon. I will wait for that. What about all those people with HDMI sets bought in the last 2 years with sub 1.3 standards. What happens when the boardroom at Sony decides that it wants to give itself a big buck pat on the back by turning on HDCP protocols? Many say that this is unlikely but the world does not unfold the way corporate schemers envisage. DVDs are the new VHS and 8 tracs, I for one do not want to build a new library every ten years and create landfill with the old one, as a profile of the ideal consumer that can buy what ever pre-obsolete big ticket junk ,I' am tired for being taken.

DVDs are not going anywhere. They will stay with Blu-Ray until at least Blu-Ray achieves some kind of price parity. No one forces you to replace your collection. I really don't understand why people are so worked up? At the very least, you will have choices between DVDs and Blu-Ray (add digital downloads if you so prefer) for the next few years. No reason to talk as if it's the day before the judgment day.

At one point last year I had A30 and almost 30 HD-DVDs and PS3 along with 50+ Blu-Ray movies. Doing a math, I paid approx. $13 per disc thanks to all those 50% sales and Buy-one-Get-one-Free, plus 5 free discs from each camp. In retrospect, I guess I made a right choice selling my HD-DVD collection before the smoke clears (although the reason I got rid of my HD-DVD set wasn't the fear of HD-DVD's death).

I have no affection towards Sony. Only thing (of course except PS3) I can think of, made by Sony, among my possesions is one digital camera that I received as a gift. As a matter of fact I purchased the PS3 purely to satisfy my curiosity (had to perform an open-heart surgery on it ) and later learned about its Blu-Ray capability. I do understand the widespread hatred towards Sony on the internet, but I thought about it - Microsoft already owns rather big part of our life. Would it be wise to give our living room to them, on top of the office? I'd rather have two companies duking it out over our money than one company choking us.

 

[Apocalypse23]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
casino royale
tears of the sun
open season
planet earth - amazing
sahara
the fountain
vertical limit
the last samurai
DeJAVU
enter the dragon - bruce lee

Other than Enter the Dragon (which is awesome) and Casino Royale (excluded because I haven't seen it), which of these are excellent?

Vertical Limit, in particular, is a crime against humanity.

Excellent would be :

Planet Earth BBC edition
deJAVu
Sahara
Tears of the Sun - mildly excellent
Open Season - kid flick

films not on the list but I've seen as excellent quality:
LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD
Pirates of the Carribean 3

There are so many more out there coming as new releases, but the best place to check for BD reviews is

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
If someone released an HD format that uses standard DVDs, I'll bet it would take off alot faster than Blu-Ray.

I'll bet they could cram a pretty good looking HD movie onto a DVD using H.264 or something.

Impossible unless we're talking about 30 min TV show per disc. It'd be possible, yeah, if someone developed some revolutionary codec, but not with H.264 or VC-1.

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So what's next. PurpL Ray?

They're not gonna use rays anymore, at least according to Bill Gates. I assume he means that everything will be streamed either off the internet or via cable/satellite.

Not true! The cable signal will eventually be optical.