Video editing problems

[DeathscytheHELL]

I have a Leadtek Winfast 2000Deluxe video capture card.

P4 1.5
640Mb ram
and 340Gig HDD
using Ulead VideoStudio 6.0SE (came with Card)
and trying out Adobe Premiere 6.0 Tryout

I capture a half hour of TV and want to edit out the commercials.

With Ulead, the process is slower and unreliable, sometime the Sound move a little out of sync with every edit. And the process takes about 20minutes(if not changing formats) - an hour and a half(if I am changing formats)

With Adobe, I cannot even get a result, the building preview process take an infinite amount of time, I have let it go for 24hours before, and it has gotten to 5% done.

This seems to be because the Editing software Sucks up all my resources. I have gotten all the updates I can from each program's websites.

Why is this? How can I fix it?

Suggested hardware? Software?

How are those new DVR standalone units? are they worthwhile?

 

[DeathscytheHELL]

anyone?

 

[nickaskew]

Hi

As you have noticed, video editing is a very time consuming affair, ways to speed up the process include:-
Put as much RAM into your PC as possible
Ensure the hard drive you use to store your source/destination video is not the same as the one where your Windows Page file is stored.
Shut down applications/services that are not required to perform the video editing tasks.

I have used adobe in the past for video editing and would not say it is slower than any of the competition, I would however suggest you take a look at Pinnacle Studio as a home video editing tool, a great feature includes the ability to open a large video file and have it create a very compact low resolution version you can use to 'set up' the edits in, when you are happy the low resolution version is what you want - apply the process to the large video, hence leaving all the heavy processing work on the large video until the end of your editing process.

Regards

Nick

 

[oog]

What format do you use for capturing? I haven't had much trouble with editing out commercials out of a Huffyuv capture using VirtualDub, but of course the capture format is quite large and I end up re-encoding afterwards. My hardware set up should be pretty comparable to yours.

 

[metalmania]

Yes, VirtualDub is free and powerful!

 

[Night201]

What format are you capturing and outputting to? Something is seriously wrong. I can output a 1 hour video in about 20 minutes and that's with a p3-866!

 

[NicColt]

>This seems to be because the Editing software Sucks

A lot of things depend on what you wanna do and how much you wanna pay, you can keep it within common sense like $20-$400 or get the best which is about $25,000. After doing this for some number of years I've come to the conclusion that some video editing software are a major pain in the ass. I'll give you my examples that are within common sense.

I have an AIW Radeon and for normal TV shows that I want to watch at a later time, I capture in MPEG1 at 1.14 MBits/Second which gives me about 650 Megs for 1 Hour of capture so that it can fit on cd-rw to bring to work. The reason I use MPEG1 is because it's less demanding on the CPU to decompress and view. The system I use at work does not have a Video Hardware Acclerator card so it's totally dependent on CPU and MPEG1 is good for that. I would avoid MPEG2 unless you want to do DVD's or SVCD's but that's another story.

Of course if I want more quality I will up the MBits/Second to a higher rate like 4 or 5 MBits/second but the size will be bigger. When I want to edit 1 hour captured shows to do simple edits like take out commercials I would use VCDCutter 4.04 I don't like the newer 4.11, I can take out commercials from a 1 hour show in about 10-15 minutes but I seldom do this because the VCDcutter software is also a player and the player navigation keys are awsome, so when using vcdcutter to view a 1 hour show I can skip commercials in about 4 seconds with the navigation keys. If I want to do some serious heavy duty editing like take commercials out of a 10 part 2 hour mini-series and paste everything together I would use M2-Edit Pro. I have yet to see this sucker break down under any pressure when it comes to MPEG1/2 but M2Edit pro is not for the noob and it's a little expensive, it's one heavy duty fullproff MPEG1 MPEG2 editor that's for sure. If you want to edit uncompressed RAW video (which I don't recommend because of it's size) SonicFoundry's Vegas Video 4 ($490 but it's a multi-linear editor) can do the job, it has transitions and can render to multiple codecs ect.... it's little borther Video Factory which is $69 can do the same job but it's not multi-linear.

I would stay away from candy video editors like Ulead or Adobe Premiere but that's my opinion...... the only candy video editor that I would recommend would be
Pinnacle's Studio Version 8 anyway... opinions vary and there are opinions trust me.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: NicColt
>This seems to be because the Editing software Sucks

A lot of things depend on what you wanna do and how much you wanna pay, you can keep it within common sense like $20-$400 or get the best which is about $25,000. After doing this for some number of years I've come to the conclusion that some video editing software are a major pain in the ass. I'll give you my examples that are within common sense.

I have an AIW Radeon and for normal TV shows that I want to watch at a later time, I capture in MPEG1 at 1.14 MBits/Second which gives me about 650 Megs for 1 Hour of capture so that it can fit on cd-rw to bring to work. The reason I use MPEG1 is because it's less demanding on the CPU to decompress and view. The system I use at work does not have a Video Hardware Acclerator card so it's totally dependent on CPU and MPEG1 is good for that. I would avoid MPEG2 unless you want to do DVD's or SVCD's but that's another story.

Of course if I want more quality I will up the MBits/Second to a higher rate like 4 or 5 MBits/second but the size will be bigger. When I want to edit 1 hour captured shows to do simple edits like take out commercials I would use VCDCutter 4.04 I don't like the newer 4.11, I can take out commercials from a 1 hour show in about 10-15 minutes but I seldom do this because the VCDcutter software is also a player and the player navigation keys are awsome, so when using vcdcutter to view a 1 hour show I can skip commercials in about 4 seconds with the navigation keys. If I want to do some serious heavy duty editing like take commercials out of a 10 part 2 hour mini-series and paste everything together I would use M2-Edit Pro. I have yet to see this sucker break down under any pressure when it comes to MPEG1/2 but M2Edit pro is not for the noob and it's a little expensive, it's one heavy duty fullproff MPEG1 MPEG2 editor that's for sure. If you want to edit uncompressed RAW video (which I don't recommend because of it's size) SonicFoundry's Vegas Video 4 ($490 but it's a multi-linear editor) can do the job, it has transitions and can render to multiple codecs ect.... it's little borther Video Factory which is $69 can do the same job but it's not multi-linear.

I would stay away from candy video editors like Ulead or Adobe Premiere but that's my opinion...... the only candy video editor that I would recommend would be
Pinnacle's Studio Version 8 anyway... opinions vary and there are opinions trust me.

How do you define a "candy" video editor? and pro NLE's can easily enter into the 6 digit price range (just an FYI).


Lethal