Video card with 4ns can run with 500MHz DDR right?

[ndee]

That's my assumption. Cuz the Elsa Ti-200 has 4ns on there board, and that means I could clock it to stock-Ti-500 speed, right? Well the memory, but not the core... but still... whatcha think?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Yes, 4ns means that it is rated at 500MHZ effective for DDR.

 

[ndee]

Thanks Ben, one of the first replies from you, with less than 1000 words

so why does Elsa only run them at 400MHz? Actually I don't care

 

[BenSkywalker]

"Thanks Ben, one of the first replies from you, with less than 1000 words"

LOL! Am I THAT bad?

"so why does Elsa only run them at 400MHz? Actually I don't care"

Think of it from Elsa's POV. If they sell the boards running the RAM at 500MHZ then it will be too close to the Ti500 in terms of performance. However, by having the 4ns RAM on board they know that the enthusiasts will quickly ignore the standard reviews and see the true potential of the board in terms of OCing. That way, in reviews their Ti500 shows benches that will help justify the $100 price rift, while their Ti200 stands out to enthusiasts for its' OCing possibilities.

BTW- Does your Elsa Ti200 ship with the DX8 Giants build?

 

[mamisano]

Yeah, my LeadTek is expected in today, ships with 4ns Ram too

 

[ndee]

<< "Thanks Ben, one of the first replies from you, with less than 1000 words"

LOL! Am I THAT bad?
>>


well hehe.... nah, it's not bad, it's informing, but I sometimes think how much time people have for AT nothin' bad.


<<
"so why does Elsa only run them at 400MHz? Actually I don't care"

Think of it from Elsa's POV. If they sell the boards running the RAM at 500MHZ then it will be too close to the Ti500 in terms of performance. However, by having the 4ns RAM on board they know that the enthusiasts will quickly ignore the standard reviews and see the true potential of the board in terms of OCing. That way, in reviews their Ti500 shows benches that will help justify the $100 price rift, while their Ti200 stands out to enthusiasts for its' OCing possibilities.

BTW- Does your Elsa Ti200 ship with the DX8 Giants build? >>



But if they can up it to Ti500 level, they can sell it for more money. But yeah, I also think a card with 4ns sells better than a card with 5ns RAM.

I don't know if it's shipped with any game, if Giants shipped, I let you know, aiight?

 

[Mem]

Hello ndee me again how`s your MSI doing anyway I too am after the Elsa ti200,and in theory yes you can get 500mhz speed with 4ns ram,but in real overclocking terms you will see different results since no two cards give the same overclocking results,anyway it looks like the best card overall money wise.

 

[heedory]

remember.. 4ns mem doesn't mean OCing to 500MHz
I have suma GF2 PRO se
they've ad that it has 4ns mem
i attached ram heat sink and tried OC
but i can't OC to even at 420MHz.. bad..

¤Ð.¤Ð <- tear drops from eyes..

 

[ndee]

<< Hello ndee me again how`s your MSI doing >>



Still goin' strong Wanna upgrade to the Ti-200 cuz it looks like THE bang-for-the-buck-card. Still my old TBird 700 But I'll upgrade sooner or later to an XP 1600, seems also the best banger for the smackaroo

so much for my upgrading plan



<<

anyway I too am after the Elsa ti200,and in theory yes you can get 500mhz speed with 4ns ram,but in real overclocking terms you will see different results since no two cards give the same overclocking results,anyway it looks like the best card overall money wise.

>>



but if it's TRUE 4ns RAM, it HAS to get 500MHz, otherwise, it's just not 4ns, right? Like heedory mentioned, I think on his card, there isn't real 4ns RAM, or am I simply abroad with my thoughts?

Thanx guys

 

[Mem]

I don`t think anybody can guarantee 500mhz,more realistic would be to go lower speed like 430- 460mhz and take it from there.You`ve so many factors that are involved like cooling,heatsink quality etc and the quality of the ram since you can get two 4ns ram and one will overclock higher then another.

 

[AMDPwred]

I'm hoping to pick up a TI200 soon

 

[boran]

well I'll prolly just buy a Ti200 and get it to regular GF3 speeds (which should be easy and still maintain perfect stability it's only a 30 Mhz (15%) overclock and if I put the core to 200 I'll just have a GF3 for $199

somewhat offtopic : does anyone have some memory specs about the Hercules Ti200 (cous hercules is a main supplier here and i'll easier get my hands onto one of their cards ..)

Boran

 

[Rand]

<<



but if it's TRUE 4ns RAM, it HAS to get 500MHz, otherwise, it's just not 4ns, right? Like heedory mentioned, I think on his card, there isn't real 4ns RAM, or am I simply abroad with my thoughts?

Thanx guys >>



In theory, yes. In reality, no.
4ns RAM is rated to run at 250MHz/500MHz DDR. So in theory you should be guaranteed that it will run at least that high as an absolute minimum.
The reality of it is less kind.
Video card memory seems to be rated a little over-optimistically IMHO. Which is a large part of the reason manufacturers seldom use memory that barely meets the minimum requirements for the boards spec.
I've found that even when the RAM is 4ns or whatever, it isnt terribly unusual for it not to hit 500MHz effective memory speed.
You have a reasonably good chance at it, but you definitely don't have any sort of a guarantee at all.

Perhaps the memory isnt being fed enough voltage at default to ontain it's rated 500MHz speeds, I don't know... but I have seen MANY MANY cases in which memory wouldnt overclock to the speed it's supposedly rated at.

So while you certainly have a very decent chance at 500MHz memory clock, and quite possibly even higher.... it's not a guarantee and if you purchase the card being confident that you will get at least 500MHz at a minimum then your setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Interesting... The GeForce2 Pro and the GeForce3 Ti 200 are both to use 5.0ns ram. 5.0ns ram should be rated at an effective 400MHz DDR. The Pro and Ti 200 are both to run their memory at 400MHz, and with 5.0ns ram this would mean that they are pushing their ram to the max, correct? But then there are the people with 5.0ns ram and many are able to overclock it beyond 400MHz. I would think that as long as the memory is of good quality, 4.0ns ram should reach a stable 500MHz. But we need to keep in mind that these video board manufacturers only have to meet the required 400MHz speed for the Ti 200.

 

[rickn]

Sometimes it won't run because of supplied voltage, or memory timings are set more aggressively as slower speed. So when you increase the memory speed, the memory timings are too high. I remember that old TNT2 utility that actually let you set the CAS and everything. I was able to clock the memory on my Xentor much higher using that utility