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Video apparently showing american getting beheaded

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Originally posted by: conjur
John McCain on tonight's Larry King Live:

"We distinguish ourselves by the way we treat our enemy. We are a nation that doesn't employ those kinds of torture."


I'd love to see McCain shove those words right down Inhofe's throat. Inhofe embarrassed himself and the United States with his ignorant, partisan remarks today.
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And I'd love to see McCain shove 'Ol Swimmer's words down his throat. kennedy is a worthless puddle of bile. He can take his moral equivalency and drown it in a river....oh wait.:roll: I'm embarrassed that POS is actually an US Senator.

CkG
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

And I'd love to see McCain shove 'Ol Swimmer's words down his throat. kennedy is a worthless puddle of bile. He can take his moral equivalency and drown it in a river....oh wait.:roll: I'm embarrassed that POS is actually an US Senator.

CkG
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I find it interesting that none other than George H W Bush (or at least his Foundation) elected to award Ted Kennedy the George Bush Foundation's Excellence in Public Service award in 2003. Obviously the elder Bush respects Kennedy's public service, notwithstanding his status as a persistent political opponent of both generations of Bushes. I guess you know something President Bush doesn't. I am no particular fan of Ted Kennedy's, but I think he has definitely contributed a lot to American politics.

From Kennedy's award citation:

Senator Kennedy has earned widespread respect from political friend and foe alike as a tenacious but eloquent voice for progress. Having built strong personal friendships on both sides of the Senate aisle, the senior Senator from Massachusetts has often reached out to forge political consensus where possible. It is a testament to his political skill, his passion for issues, and his patience for the process of government. Senator Kennedy has been especially committed to improving the lives of people with developmental disabilities and in encouraging youth service.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: rbloedow
HIs name is Nick Burg, fox is showing part of the video 🙁
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That's too bad. I normally watch Fox News, but if they show the full video I will be very disappointed in them. That's just in poor taste.
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No, they will not show the actual deed - they are now saying the the militant who is leading the act could be one of Osama Bin Ladin's men, and that the website is owned by him. Talk about a link between Iraq Alquaida (sp?).
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You're implying this is a link to Iraq and Al Qaeda that was in existence pre-9/11? Do you have any idea how much of an idiot you are if that's your point?
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Who really cares if the link was pre-9/11. They are there now.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

And I'd love to see McCain shove 'Ol Swimmer's words down his throat. kennedy is a worthless puddle of bile. He can take his moral equivalency and drown it in a river....oh wait.:roll: I'm embarrassed that POS is actually an US Senator.

CkG
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I find it interesting that none other than George H W Bush (or at least his Foundation) elected to award Ted Kennedy the George Bush Foundation's Excellence in Public Service award in 2003. Obviously the elder Bush respects Kennedy's public service, notwithstanding his status as a persistent political opponent of both generations of Bushes. I guess you know something President Bush doesn't. I am no particular fan of Ted Kennedy's, but I think he has definitely contributed a lot to American politics.

From Kennedy's award citation:

Senator Kennedy has earned widespread respect from political friend and foe alike as a tenacious but eloquent voice for progress. Having built strong personal friendships on both sides of the Senate aisle, the senior Senator from Massachusetts has often reached out to forge political consensus where possible. It is a testament to his political skill, his passion for issues, and his patience for the process of government. Senator Kennedy has been especially committed to improving the lives of people with developmental disabilities and in encouraging youth service.
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That's nice - and that is supposed to make his comments "OK"?

CkG
 
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: rbloedow
No, they will not show the actual deed - they are now saying the the militant who is leading the act could be one of Osama Bin Ladin's men, and that the website is owned by him. Talk about a link between Iraq Alquaida (sp?).
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You're implying this is a link to Iraq and Al Qaeda that was in existence pre-9/11? Do you have any idea how much of an idiot you are if that's your point?
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Who really cares if the link was pre-9/11. They are there now.
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And why exactly are they there now?

Wouldn't have anything to do with us invading Iraq, would it?

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I must object when you disrespect Sen McCain. He WAS a POW for about 7years if I remember correctly. He taught me in college and is a very nice man. I objected that he thought that the war was necessary in the first place, especially after his ordeal. But then maybe he has friends who need financial opportunities as well. I could better accept a war from him, but with as much respect as I have for the guy there is NO and was NO justification for the INVASION of Iraq. PERIOD.

I saw the video and you can't alway believe what you see. He is obviously dead but IF that is the actual killing and those are ACTUALLY terrorist it can never be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Could have been special forces so that the video would counter the abuse scandal that was certainly know when all of the these people were "kidnapped". In addition, by killing this guy and making the "low quality" video people would become riled and unfocused on the prisoner abuse scandal. If you think that the government doesn't work that way think again. ex. President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy whom you still don't know the whole truth about.



Food for thought:

Did any of you every wonder why video tapes from the 1920 are crystal clear but yet Al Quaeda with its millions of dollars can't manage a clear shot or video? If you think the things presented to you are that simple you are mistaken.
 
Originally posted by: katka
I must object when you disrespect Sen McCain. He WAS a POW for about 7years if I remember correctly. He taught me in college and is a very nice man. I objected that he thought that the war was necessary in the first place, especially after his ordeal. But then maybe he has friends who need financial opportunities as well. I could better accept a war from him, but with as much respect as I have for the guy there is NO and was NO justification for the INVASION of Iraq. PERIOD.

I saw the video and you can't alway believe what you see. He is obviously dead but IF that is the actual killing and those are ACTUALLY terrorist it can never be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Could have been special forces so that the video would counter the abuse scandal that was certainly know when all of the these people were "kidnapped". In addition, by killing this guy and making the "low quality" video people would become riled and unfocused on the prisoner abuse scandal. If you think that the government doesn't work that way think again. ex. President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy whom you still don't know the whole truth about.



Food for thought:

Did any of you every wonder why video tapes from the 1920 are crystal clear but yet Al Quaeda with its millions of dollars can't manage a clear shot or video? If you think the things presented to you are that simple you are mistaken.
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I don't think anyone here has disrespected Senator McCain. I know I am a great admirer of his.

I think the idea that the murder of Nick Berg was faked by Special Forces, or through some other elaborate conspiracy, is wild-eyed speculation.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

That's nice - and that is supposed to make his comments "OK"?

CkG
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No, it's just an observation I find interesting. Which comments in particular are you offended by? Link?
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No, I wasn't "offended" by what he said. I just think it was wrong of him to say. I'm embarrassed at times by politicians like him but I'm not "offended". Those who are "offended" are usually the ones with the issues - not the person that was supposedly "offensive". People's sensitivities are worn on thier shirt sleeves and easily manipulated by others.😉

kennedy's "moral equivilancy" bleatings from yesterday- "On March 19th, 2004, President Bush asked, who would prefer that Saddam's torture chambers still be open? Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management."

Is he really trying to equate what Saddam did to this current issue? Is he really that desperate to blame Bush? Again - i'm not "offended" - just embarrassed that he would suggest that we are no better than Saddam.


Anyway my comments were in response to conjur's post about Senators who made embarassing remarks but this tripe from Swimmer is about the torture issue not about the beheading of Nick Burg.

CkG
 
I'm not bothered by that statement at all. We probably should have destroyed the Abu Ghraib prison, which had horrible connotations for Iraqis in general, and it really is a bitter irony that US forces apparently committed war crimes, in the form of torture and humiliations, in the very same facility used by Saddam.

I am not equating our own misdeeds to Saddam's - his idea of torture went far beyond anything any American has presently been accused of, and he routinely engaged in spectacularly awful acts of violence against dissidents and political rivals. He was truly despicable. That said, I think the civilized world will (appropriately IMO) have a zero-tolerance policy for Americans invading Iraq to overthrow him, then engaging in our own brand of torture. It was inexcusable then and it's inexcusable now.
 
Originally posted by: katka
I must object when you disrespect Sen McCain. He WAS a POW for about 7years if I remember correctly. He taught me in college and is a very nice man. I objected that he thought that the war was necessary in the first place, especially after his ordeal. But then maybe he has friends who need financial opportunities as well. I could better accept a war from him, but with as much respect as I have for the guy there is NO and was NO justification for the INVASION of Iraq. PERIOD.

I saw the video and you can't alway believe what you see. He is obviously dead but IF that is the actual killing and those are ACTUALLY terrorist it can never be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Could have been special forces so that the video would counter the abuse scandal that was certainly know when all of the these people were "kidnapped". In addition, by killing this guy and making the "low quality" video people would become riled and unfocused on the prisoner abuse scandal. If you think that the government doesn't work that way think again. ex. President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy whom you still don't know the whole truth about.



Food for thought:

Did any of you every wonder why video tapes from the 1920 are crystal clear but yet Al Quaeda with its millions of dollars can't manage a clear shot or video? If you think the things presented to you are that simple you are mistaken.
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How do you know anything is true unless you personally witness it then? Then how do you know your mind is'nt playing tricks on you? Eye-witness tesimony is notoriously inaccurate as proven in double blind tests.
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

That's nice - and that is supposed to make his comments "OK"?

CkG
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No, it's just an observation I find interesting. Which comments in particular are you offended by? Link?
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No, I wasn't "offended" by what he said. I just think it was wrong of him to say. I'm embarrassed at times by politicians like him but I'm not "offended". Those who are "offended" are usually the ones with the issues - not the person that was supposedly "offensive". People's sensitivities are worn on thier shirt sleeves and easily manipulated by others.😉

kennedy's "moral equivilancy" bleatings from yesterday- "On March 19th, 2004, President Bush asked, who would prefer that Saddam's torture chambers still be open? Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management."

Is he really trying to equate what Saddam did to this current issue? Is he really that desperate to blame Bush? Again - i'm not "offended" - just embarrassed that he would suggest that we are no better than Saddam.


Anyway my comments were in response to conjur's post about Senators who made embarassing remarks but this tripe from Swimmer is about the torture issue not about the beheading of Nick Burg.

CkG
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Ah...you're apologizing again...I see. You and Sean Hannity must have been separated at birth. Ah, it was so nice to see Hannity getting owned by Dick Morris, of all people, last night.

While the actions at Abu Ghraib may not have been exactly what Saddam did, they don't have to be. One day you'll understand that.
 
I think the idea that the murder of Nick Berg was faked by Special Forces, or through some other elaborate conspiracy, is wild-eyed speculation.
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I think that idea that Al Quaeda can't afford and decent $200 video camera is wilder. Also, I just saw http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1308478&enterthread=y apparent he was detained by the US for some undisclosed reson. Funny I didn't know this before I posted my theory. In addition, with a fuzzy video tape and masks it is "wild eyed speculation" as you call it that Al Quaeda did it.

How do you know anything is true unless you personally witness it then? Then how do you know your mind is'nt playing tricks on you? Eye-witness tesimony is notoriously inaccurate as proven in double blind tests.
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You don't. I only know that he is dead because his parents say so. I DON"T know that by watching a fuzzy video that I witnessed a murder. I also DON"T know who did the murdering. And neither do you.
 
Originally posted by: katka
I must object when you disrespect Sen McCain. He WAS a POW for about 7years if I remember correctly. He taught me in college and is a very nice man. I objected that he thought that the war was necessary in the first place, especially after his ordeal. But then maybe he has friends who need financial opportunities as well. I could better accept a war from him, but with as much respect as I have for the guy there is NO and was NO justification for the INVASION of Iraq. PERIOD.

I saw the video and you can't alway believe what you see. He is obviously dead but IF that is the actual killing and those are ACTUALLY terrorist it can never be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Could have been special forces so that the video would counter the abuse scandal that was certainly know when all of the these people were "kidnapped". In addition, by killing this guy and making the "low quality" video people would become riled and unfocused on the prisoner abuse scandal. If you think that the government doesn't work that way think again. ex. President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy whom you still don't know the whole truth about.



Food for thought:

Did any of you every wonder why video tapes from the 1920 are crystal clear but yet Al Quaeda with its millions of dollars can't manage a clear shot or video? If you think the things presented to you are that simple you are mistaken.
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I had the same thoughts when I watched it... I try to repress those feelings but they are alwyas there.

Reality is never as it seems.
 
I heard today that we ( the US) suggested that he leave the area quite some time ago, however he decided to stay...don't know how true that is since it was a radio program...

should be interesting to see how much airtime this gets...I am betting not too much, networks have to go back to their regularly scheduled Bush bashing to appease the likes of Conjur 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

And I'd love to see McCain shove 'Ol Swimmer's words down his throat. kennedy is a worthless puddle of bile. He can take his moral equivalency and drown it in a river....oh wait.:roll: I'm embarrassed that POS is actually an US Senator.

CkG
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I find it interesting that none other than George H W Bush (or at least his Foundation) elected to award Ted Kennedy the George Bush Foundation's Excellence in Public Service award in 2003. Obviously the elder Bush respects Kennedy's public service, notwithstanding his status as a persistent political opponent of both generations of Bushes. I guess you know something President Bush doesn't. I am no particular fan of Ted Kennedy's, but I think he has definitely contributed a lot to American politics.

From Kennedy's award citation:

Senator Kennedy has earned widespread respect from political friend and foe alike as a tenacious but eloquent voice for progress. Having built strong personal friendships on both sides of the Senate aisle, the senior Senator from Massachusetts has often reached out to forge political consensus where possible. It is a testament to his political skill, his passion for issues, and his patience for the process of government. Senator Kennedy has been especially committed to improving the lives of people with developmental disabilities and in encouraging youth service.
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Yeah, that's when Bush was naive to think that the could build a coalition with those on the other side of the aisle. That's not the only olive branch Bush has offered Kennedy either. The education bill signed off on was a total capitulation IMO, to make peace with Kennedy.

Kennedy is human trash. Just ask Mary Jo Kopechne- oh wait, SHE'S DEAD.
 
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