brokendolly
Banned
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Video : 15 Year old pepper sprayed after biting cop
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It is frequently the case where cops will pick up the child and give them a ride home; especially females. THis accomplishes a few things:
It verifies the identity of th ekid, because they often don't have or don't supply adequate ID
It gives the cop a chance to remind the parents about the curfew
It ensures that the minor child gets home safely.
In some cases with repeat offenders, I believe it's common to take the kid to the cop shop and call the parents to come and get them, regardless of the hour ( to help inspire the parent to keep track of their "little treasure / spoiled POS brat twerp demon seed ignorant spoiled lying offspring)
It is also likely that the Cop only decided to cuff her because she was unruley and she escalated the situation to "problem" level.
I would also bet that backup & supervisor were called, but first, the situation has to be controlled.
In some cases, the parents think the kid is somewhere else (like "Staying over at Suzie's house").
If I had to speculate (I don't, but I will), I see it as happening something like this:
(Cop sees girl walking down the street)
COP: "Miss may I see some ID"
Kid: "F*ck off pig, I'm on my way home..."
(situation degrades to kid biting the Cop with her filthy germ & disease-ridden mouth)
At this point, I'm all for the cop beating the snot out of the kid. Welts & bruises are certainly justified; Mace, CS, CN , and / or Pepper spray is permitted. Tasing is out, it doesn't hurt enough, but, maybe one of the cattle prod-style shockers would be be OK, if they could find some clear flesh to contact.
The Cop was doing his job. If the girl turned up missing / dead / raped / beaten and it was found that he *could have* stopped her (and helped her and given her a ride) and didn't, with a curfew law on the books (typically enforced or not), then the Cop would have been at fault, probably would have lost his job, and one or several lawyers get richer.
For the "an adult Cop should be able to control a 15 year old girl" crowd ... Yes it true, and I'm sure the Cop could easily subdue a 15 year old girl. The problem is to start with a minimum of force and work up from there. It give the perp more than one chance to back down before additional force is brought to bear. His attempt to be gentle got him bit.
He could easily have smacked her up aside the head with a five D-cell flashlight and dropped her in her tracks, but it's obvious from the video that her was trying hard to give her the benefit of the doubt and a chance to back down.
Here's a couple for the Cops. They deserve much better than the public they serve is usually willing to give: :beer::beer::beer:
As for "getting arrested" for water pistols & such, that's a totally different issue (unless, of course the toy gun is failrly real looking and the kid is stupid enough to point it at someone, like a cop, in a stress situation ... that's just Charles Darwin calling him home).
tomywishbone
Golden Member
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Ya know, I've been as polite and understanding as I possibly can be with you, but this is the kind of shit that just pisses me off. You completely ommited every bad thing that that girl did just to make the cop look bad.
She resisted arrest and bit the cop. I guess every child deserves to be right hooked in the face for that :roll:
EDIT: Make the cop "look bad". I'm sorry, IMO it was bad.
I meant to edit but instead quoted 🙁[/quote]
Maybe she deserves a night stick to the ribs instead? That was a reaction to her bite, not a police trained reaction. That was hardly a punch that would hurt anyone either.
Reasonable is the key description of force here. The court would argue about what is reasonable force. After biting she should be hogtied like an animal. There are harnesses that can secure both arms in place. If he put a bit in her mouth or put a gag on her he would be justified. Remember that often people with Aids try to bite and spit on people.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
Rightly or wrongly, I won't be surprised if she gets a nice legal settlement. Also, now that the police have released the video and it's been broadcast all over the Internet, considering that she's a minor, she might be able to get some compensation for an invasion of her privacy (again, rightly or wrongly).
I won't be surprised if, at trial (civil or criminal) she says that she was afraid she would be taken to a secluded area and gang-raped by the police and that that is the reason she resisted so heavily.
I won't be surprised if, at trial (civil or criminal) she says that she was afraid she would be taken to a secluded area and gang-raped by the police and that that is the reason she resisted so heavily.
spittledip
Diamond Member
You want to take that chance???
oiprocs
Diamond Member
She deserved all of that. If she really did nothing wrong, then why wouldn't she just comply with the orders? Everything would get cleared up if you're innocent?
The last thing you want to do when dealing with the law is to strike, hit, bite, smack, or otherwise assault an officer. You do that, and you deserve all the trouble coming to you.
What, did she think that by biting him he would magically say "Ok, it's all good now, you can go home"? :roll:
The last thing you want to do when dealing with the law is to strike, hit, bite, smack, or otherwise assault an officer. You do that, and you deserve all the trouble coming to you.
What, did she think that by biting him he would magically say "Ok, it's all good now, you can go home"? :roll:
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
1) She was breaking curfew, and unless someone can show that the officer was wrong if arresting her, he was right
2) She was indeed resisting arrest. The officer used considerable restraint. I see "right hook, right hook" being used as a reason to punish the officer. I grew up in inner city Philly, was jumped by an officer because of mistaken identity and got "a right hook" among other things. I was left lying blooded and unable to move. He didn't "right hook" her so much as tap her to get her attention. Forget any other situation about gang members. That's specious. He had her confined and needed to control the situation. He could have taken her off camera, acted as if she broke away and pummeled her. If anyone thinks it's equivalent, I can say from personal knowledge that it's not.
3) Can you imagine the result if he just peppered her earlier? "He was a beast. He should have given her more of a chance", yadda yadda yadda. He had to balance giving her a chance to comply with going on to the next level of force. He did a damn fine job. He could have pounded her into oblivion if that was his intent. He was taking great pains to make sure she wasn't permanently damaged.
3) What the hell was she doing out anyway? She needed to be arrested, her parents called in to get her and THEY do a couple nights in the pokey. She's a minor and their responsibility.
4) I wish this guy worked in my neighborhood. If I was to lose possession of senses and let my daughter out after she ought to have been, I'd feel comfortable that he would have used the proper measures to arrest her, as evidenced by his keeping her in sight of the camera. Further, I wouldn't blame him if I did a couple nights in the county jail for my letting her loose. That would have been my fault.
2) She was indeed resisting arrest. The officer used considerable restraint. I see "right hook, right hook" being used as a reason to punish the officer. I grew up in inner city Philly, was jumped by an officer because of mistaken identity and got "a right hook" among other things. I was left lying blooded and unable to move. He didn't "right hook" her so much as tap her to get her attention. Forget any other situation about gang members. That's specious. He had her confined and needed to control the situation. He could have taken her off camera, acted as if she broke away and pummeled her. If anyone thinks it's equivalent, I can say from personal knowledge that it's not.
3) Can you imagine the result if he just peppered her earlier? "He was a beast. He should have given her more of a chance", yadda yadda yadda. He had to balance giving her a chance to comply with going on to the next level of force. He did a damn fine job. He could have pounded her into oblivion if that was his intent. He was taking great pains to make sure she wasn't permanently damaged.
3) What the hell was she doing out anyway? She needed to be arrested, her parents called in to get her and THEY do a couple nights in the pokey. She's a minor and their responsibility.
4) I wish this guy worked in my neighborhood. If I was to lose possession of senses and let my daughter out after she ought to have been, I'd feel comfortable that he would have used the proper measures to arrest her, as evidenced by his keeping her in sight of the camera. Further, I wouldn't blame him if I did a couple nights in the county jail for my letting her loose. That would have been my fault.
teclis1023
Golden Member
I can't watch the video, as I am at work...but what I'm gleaning is that she bit the cop, resisted arrest and attempted to punch him?
I don't think he should punch her back, but she needed to be pepper-sprayed for sure. Maybe it's because I've never really been in trouble with the police, but I've always assumed that compliance is the easiest way to (a) not get maced and (b) be able to fight any bad-charges using the legal system. The minute you attack a cop, your case goes out the window.
I don't think he should punch her back, but she needed to be pepper-sprayed for sure. Maybe it's because I've never really been in trouble with the police, but I've always assumed that compliance is the easiest way to (a) not get maced and (b) be able to fight any bad-charges using the legal system. The minute you attack a cop, your case goes out the window.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Some have said he punched her. I'm not sure because of the angle he may have brushed or even missed her entirely. Physically, she hardly responded at all.
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