Vice presidential debate moderated by CBS, Oct. 1, 2024

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VashHT

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Kind of sad that people think vance "won" the debate just because he lied a lot more smoothly and didn't flip out like trump did. Do people just not actually care about what is actually being said (rhetorical question)?
 

Muse

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Kind of sad that people think vance "won" the debate just because he lied a lot more smoothly and didn't flip out like trump did. Do people just not actually care about what is actually being said (rhetorical question)?
Yeah, I never had the idea that Vance was winning. Walz looked challenged and nervous but not overwhelmed. Vance was glib and serene to a fault, but the things he said were rhetorical prevarication. I had to smile and occasionally laugh when listening to him. Smarmy, overconfident, ungrounded, even pompous. How many times did he bring up the "vision" of his "3 beautiful children?"
 
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cytg111

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It’s more about being a critical thinker than anything and having an open mind that your feelings may not be backed up by facts and understanding that if you are wrong it’s ok to change your mind or reevaluate your position. It’s human nature to double down on your wrongness so it takes a lot of work to be open to being wrong. If new information is presented to me and it sounds good or aligns with my feels, I immediately fact check it. If something sounds wrong and doesn’t align with my feels, I immediately fact check it. The critical thinking part comes in when evaluating sources, context, and understanding what is being said and not being said (or omitted) and it’s realizing the my own biases might be clouding how I’m interpreting something.

Simply getting your information from multiple sources isn’t enough. Especially when you have journalism that seems hell bent on not coming off as biased as opposed to just reporting the facts, even if it appears to look like biased reporting.

Sure. But critical thinking or not, when it applies to such a large percentage of the population its something you have to deal with whatever you want to call it.

Trump is bailing on 60 minutes interview cause he doesnt want to be fact checked.

That means he has a choke hold on the information diet on half your population and he can pretty much feed them whatever lies he wants to.


Thats scary beyond Trump even if he loses this one. That machine is in place.
 

outriding

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Seems as though a nerve was touched.


Probably right


But trump has said some really awful things but I have never recalled you questioning him on it

At the same time you constantly defend trump and call others out for taking things out of context..

So prove us wrong and find a post that you posted that was as critical to walz that trump said

I will not hold my breath
 

Indus

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Probably right


But trump has said some really awful things but I have never recalled you questioning him on it

At the same time you constantly defend trump and call others out for taking things out of context..

So prove us wrong and find a post that you posted that was as critical to walz that trump said

I will not hold my breath

MAGAts have amnesia about everything. I remember reading he wasn't going to vote for Nancy Mace again.. but lets see how long that lasts.
 
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pcgeek11

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Probably right


But trump has said some really awful things but I have never recalled you questioning him on it

At the same time you constantly defend trump and call others out for taking things out of context..

So prove us wrong and find a post that you posted that was as critical to walz that trump said

I will not hold my breath

I only asked why he said he was friends with school shooters.

What was he trying to say?
Everyone is saying it is clear he "misspoke", but what was he trying to say.

You tell me.
 

akugami

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I only asked why he said he was friends with school shooters.

What was he trying to say?
Everyone is saying it is clear he "misspoke", but what was he trying to say.

You tell me.

Why are republicans friends with a lying rapist who wears makeup and was convicted of 34 felony counts?

What are the republicans trying to say?
 
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outriding

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Thank you, I was about to post this as well. Like, it's not fucking difficult @pcgeek11

Not to mention he could have made a relationship with the shooters to see how they work to maybe come up with legislation or early warning tips to help identify people with problems. But probably should be left of the psych docs
 

nakedfrog

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I only asked why he said he was friends with school shooters.

What was he trying to say?
Everyone is saying it is clear he "misspoke", but what was he trying to say.

You tell me.
Since you're vapid and intellectually lazy: in a follow-up discussion he talked about how he befriended David Hogg and others from Parkland and Sandy Hook. It took me approximately seven seconds to do an internet search to find a video of this, and the clip was 48 seconds long.
 

Moonbeam

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I have no idea...
Yes, nobody can really know for sure what somebody really means when they say things. You can't even be sure you aren't living inside a hologram and everything you say has actually been programmed. What could certainty possibly mean when one apparently is some sort of biological organism that navigates life sort of by chemical signals sent from the environment that are certainly not the environment itself up a neurons to a central processing machine that turns them into internal representations of external stimuli but only of a bandwidth suitable to the spectrum you can receive.

So if I were to say you are a stupid prevaricating asshole hiding behind the fact that you and everyone else doesn't really know anything but your whole organism was designed to create meaning from things that you hear, and that you are practicing selective deafness to prevent your ego from knowing that the some filthy piece of shit will happily shit on what others regard as not just a willingness but proof they are willing to lay down their lives for the nation simply out of envy and jealousy and egotistical disdain for the fact those who have died in such service have a profound respect earned by doing what he and his manufactured diagnosis of bone spurs allowed him to avoid doing, would you also have no idea what I am saying.

Of course you don't have any idea of what I am saying but tell me, do you have any idea of what you might be feeling if you happen to get through all these words.

You served and did not fall, so are those who did fall suckers and losers in your eyes? If you answer yes or know I will have no idea what you really mean but you will. Can you do it? How would you feel about yourself if you said what Trump said. Isn't that all you need to know to have some sense as to who Trump is, a gigantic worthless piece of shit if you live in the world of duality and blame, or a sad sad individual made sick by the psychopaths that raised him and created his character, if you understand cause and effect with objectivity, which is how I see him and you, programmed machines rather that evil and a supporter of it. Love you.