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VIA users & SiS users: Can't we all just get along??

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<< But for the clever members like Me and NFS4 that have been using TBSC since day 1 with our VIA built systems, could never complain nor find fault. >>



Hehe or members like me that have SB Live and SB Audigy in VIA boards with no problems 😉.
 


<< There are many people out there who are happy with their VIA boards, yet anti-VIA people like to come into every conversation and say that VIA is crap. I don't think that is fair at all. >>



ME. and I agree.. VIA chipsets have been KICK ASS For me... I have nothing bad to say about them, not one thing. I have had worse luck with i815 chipsets than Via. Not saying that the 815's are bad.. they are very stable.. but VIA has been even better overall with Zero problems to date on about 3 VIA based computers i use regularly and a bunch more system builds for other people.
 
I have a VIA motherboard and a SiS motherboard. I've had more problems with the VIA than with the SiS - though the VIA benched faster, I prefer stability. If the VIA had been more stable, I would prefer it instead.
 
NFS4, shouldn't the title be 'Intel user & Via user'😉

Personally, I don't like frequent bug fixes(Via). I have been a beta tester too long. Have yet to use a Sis chipset yet.
 
It's not so much the VIA users as it is the ANTI VIA people who can't seem to keep their opinions to themselves if someone disagrees with their preferences. At least that is how it appears to me, because as a person who likes some of VIA's products and thinks that without them the Classic Athlon would never have had a performance type motherboard at all, I have no need to argue until someone calls me stupid for my decision to buy from VIA.

On another note about bashing companies, I think people who bash a company because of one single product they didn't like are morons. If everyone did that AMD would have been out of buisness after the k62. Thank god we are not all idiots.
 


<< I have no need to argue until someone calls me stupid for my decision to buy from VIA. >>



Exactly!..... it`s your money your choice 🙂.


🙂
 


<< And for someone to start kissing SiS's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset (which is used in the "take your chances with it" ECS K7S5A motherboard) is downright humiliating if you ask me. >>



Here's some good devil's advocate stuff for you NFS4... Since you've had a good experience with a VIA chipset board and a bad one with an SiS board, does that automatically make the SiS chipset shoddy? Lets just rephrase your quote: "and for someone to start kissing Via's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset is downright humiliating if you ask me."

I personally own a VIA KT133A chipset board, but at work I've sold tons of ECS K7S5A boards at work with zero problems. Bad boards happen, obviously, and when you do get one, it definately leaves a bad taste in your mouth. But for you to flame SiS praisers is just like me repeatedly flaming you for being a Via lover. I've personally had a few problems with my Abit KT7A, but nothing that I couldn't work around. As for the Sis735 boards I've set up, none. But does that mean I'll praise SiS instead? Nope, because lets face it, Via puts out new chipsets a hell of a lot quicker than SiS.

Russell "Mr.Bios" Sampson
 


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<< And for someone to start kissing SiS's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset (which is used in the "take your chances with it" ECS K7S5A motherboard) is downright humiliating if you ask me. >>



Here's some good devil's advocate stuff for you NFS4... Since you've had a good experience with a VIA chipset board and a bad one with an SiS board, does that automatically make the SiS chipset shoddy? Lets just rephrase your quote: "and for someone to start kissing Via's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset is downright humiliating if you ask me."

I personally own a VIA KT133A chipset board, but at work I've sold tons of ECS K7S5A boards at work with zero problems. Bad boards happen, obviously, and when you do get one, it definately leaves a bad taste in your mouth. But for you to flame SiS praisers is just like me repeatedly flaming you for being a Via lover. I've personally had a few problems with my Abit KT7A, but nothing that I couldn't work around. As for the Sis735 boards I've set up, none. But does that mean I'll praise SiS instead? Nope, because lets face it, Via puts out new chipsets a hell of a lot quicker than SiS.

Russell "Mr.Bios" Sampson >>


Did you even bother to read the thread? Where have I bashed SiS? I even stated this up above:

I would not hesistate to use another SiS based product, but I won't stick my foot in my mouth and start bashing everyone else b/c of it.

Even Pabster knows that I like SiS as I have even told him in PM's. I have also posted on these forums that the SiS645 chipset is a great chipset. But I WILL NOT proclaim SiS to be the end all be all b/c of two good chipsets for two seperate processor lines. It takes more than one to start talking smack about other companies 🙂

As for VIA, I have owned KX133, KT133A, and KT266A chipset for my own personal systems. I have also used Apollo Pro133A, and Apollo Pro266 chipsets for other people's systems. If I had no faith in VIA, I wouldn't use them so much. But for a person to turn around and kick VIA in the teeth b/c one Athlon chipset from SiS is good is kinda disheartening. And then to turn every thread into a "Kill VIA, buy SiS" thread is also problematic. No one is flaming SiS users for choosing SiS. We are upset for SiS users constantly bringing their hatred for VIA EVERYWHERE THEY GO.

So please, gets your facts straight before you start slinging mud (especially when you don't know the whole story...like my past experience with VIA), b/c right now the mud is on you 😀
 


<< Did you even bother to read the thread? Where have I bashed SiS? I even stated this up above: I would not hesistate to use another SiS based product, but I won't stick my foot in my mouth and start bashing everyone else b/c of it. >>


However, if you look right above what you stated, it looks like a good flame towards SiS: (the very loaded words I bolded)


<< And for someone to start kissing SiS's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset (which is used in the "take your chances with it" ECS K7S5A motherboard) is downright humiliating if you ask me. >>




<< But I WILL NOT proclaim SiS to be the end all be all b/c of two good chipsets for two seperate processor lines >>


Why not? While I would not say "end all be all", Via certainly hasn't been able to do this. The P4X266 has been a flop, and the SiS645 outperforms it, while the SiS735 is still one of the top performing chipsets for the Athlon platform, although the performance crown does go to the KT266A.

As for my experience with Via, I have owned an MVP3, a KT133, and I still own a KT133A. Coincidence? No, I like Via chipsets. If I didn't have faith in them, why would I have owned so many of their boards, and sold so many of them at work? Indeed, some have a few issues here and there, but who's chipsets don't? Even the mighty Intel put out a POS chipset: the i820. I have also dealt with many other chipsets of theirs, including the KT266A, the VIAgra chipset, the MVP4, and the Apollo Pro 133A. So it kinda looks like we don't have our facts straight 😀

However, one thing that you just assume I am is a Via hater, which I am not. I just want to make sure SiS gets their props. All it takes is one good chipset before you start to gain huge market share. Just look at Via. They would probably be just like SiS today if it weren't for Intel screwing up with the i820. They put out a very stable chipset (after a few BIOS revs.) which was very feature packed for its day. Then, all of a sudden, people start to notice them. Will this happen to SiS as well? It very well may, but then again it may not.

Russell "Mr.Bios" Sampson
 


<< However, one thing that you just assume I am is a Via hater, which I am not. >>


I never called you a VIA hater. I just said that people that go OUT OF THEIR WAY to take down VIA whenever they can (Pabster comes to mind😉) are stepping over the line.


<< However, if you look right above what you stated, it looks like a good flame towards SiS: (the very loaded words I bolded)


<< And for someone to start kissing SiS's ass TOTALLY b/c they put out ONE decent chipset (which is used in the "take your chances with it" ECS K7S5A motherboard) is downright humiliating if you ask me. >> >>


Notice I said ECS when listing the motherboard that everyone likes to refer to. SiS makes a good chipset with the SiS735, but motherboards makers are the one with final reign over the chipset. And it is of my opinion that ECS's quality controls are none to good which is why people have a lot of trouble getting a K7S5A working right from the start around these parts. I guess that K7S5A FAQ over at OCworkbench comes in handy for this 😉
 
My Epox 8KHA+ is every bit as stable as the Epox 8K7A(760) I had. AMD boards aren't anymore stable than their VIA counterparts.

The majority of problems are caused by novice system builders that blame their problems on the board when they haven't set everything up correctly. Maybe if you guys read half of those motherboard "problem" threads you would see this.

 
i like these kind of responses...

"flaws? my system runs stable, therefore there's no flaw"....quite strong inferential reasoning...

(yeah right)

the flaw is evident when using certain configurations that may or may not match your own....sure, VIA chipsets might run fine in certain configurations, but they should run fine in ALL configurations...not just ones without creative cards, or ATA66 devices, or non-vortex audio cards in win2k/xp, or etc...

VIA is a sad joke...and i'm not laughing, i'm puking and spitting up all over the place.
 
Cant we all just get along,now everybody hold hand & sing.


Kumbaya

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord kumbaya

Someone's crying my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying my Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord kumbaya
 
>Also if TecChannel is wrong why is there a patch out that kinda fixes the latency problem?

Just to make sure, the Patch does not come from VIA, it's an unofficial patch produced by George Breese of Networking Resources. VIA has not addressed the issue yet. Officially anyway.
 
Flatline wrote:

"Take it or leave it, much to my surprise and delight, SiS has become an innovator and a player in the chipset biz. That's going to create more competition and innovation from all the chipset companies and will, in the end, be very beneficial to us."

BINGO! We have a winner. 😀

Some people absolutely refuse to acknowledge SiS as a player in the chipset arena. I don't know why.

VIA has made strides with KT266A, but, frankly, I'm disappointed that issues which have been known since the days of MVP3 are still affecting their most modern chipsets.

No reason to get personal here, guys. Personally speaking, my flame suit is thicker than a guy named "Hardware". 😀 NFS4 knows how I feel about it, I know how he feels about it, and I'm capable of respecting others' opinions even if I don't agree with them. Try it sometime 🙂
 
Doomguy wrote:

"AMD boards aren't anymore stable than their VIA counterparts."

That's the kind of asinine statements I enjoy refuting 🙂

AMD chipset based boards (ala my trusty Tyan S2460s and S2462) are infinitely more stable than the AMD760 boards -- all of which are coupled with the lousy VIA 686B south bridge. And I do mean infinitely. Even Anand has acknowledged just how stable these boards are. Everything works, and it works well. Just like it is supposed to.
 
Any chipmaker can have a problem, and I don't take issues over that. Its how they follow up the bug that matters to me. That is why VIA won't see any of my money for a while. They have no respect and deserve none.
Cases in point: Intel recalls buggy PIII chips = good business and shows good character
Southbridge dysfunctional VIA controllers = poor response from VIA is insulting:frown:
 
>SiS has become an innovator and a player in the chipset biz.
>Some people absolutely refuse to acknowledge SiS as a player in the chipset arena. I don't know why.

11 December 2001
VIA today announced the introduction of the VIA Eden Embedded System Platform, a revolutionary approach to enabling quiet running, small form factor designs.
Combining an ultra low power processor with highly integrated North Bridge and South Bridge chipset options, the VIA Eden Platform provides the lowest power, highest performance and most flexible embedded x86 solution available from a single vendor. With its rich integration and exceptional thermal properties, the VIA Eden Platform heralds a new era for connectivity products, including home entertainment devices such as the set top box, game console, personal video recorder and home server, and commercial applications such as the thin client, POS terminal and routers.

12 December 2001
VIA Launches World's Fastest, Most Power Efficient Mobile Chipset
The first mobile chipset to support DDR266 memory combines with the AMD Athlon 4 processor for the ultimate in performance mobile platforms.

VIA Technologies Announces Full Support for the AMD Athlon? XP Processor 1800+
VIA Announces All-Platform Support for the new AMD Athlon? XP Processor 1900+


SiS AGP driver&Support
SiS630, SiS730, SiS735 , SiS733, SiS635, SiS633, SiS645 , SiS650 , SiS740 , SiS745 AGP Driver - Release date: 12/27/2001
SiS USB Registry Patch - Release patch file for the USB devices sometimes undetectable issue on Windows® XP with SiS USB controllers - Release date: 12/17/2001

SiS Announced Its New Domain Name "SiS.com" (7/20/01)
(SiS) Licenses RDRAM Technology from Rambus Inc. (11/12/01)
SiS Announces Patent Cross-licensing Agreement with Intel (3/8/01)

Doesn't all that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside....
 


<< SiS USB Registry Patch - Release patch file for the USB devices sometimes undetectable issue on Windows® XP with SiS USB controllers - Release date: 12/17/2001 >>


I guess SiS isn't as perfect as one would believe. But at least I won't HARP on it...
 
Yea, I hate VIA fanatics too. I mean, come on now, after they slagged 3dfx all these years just to find out that 3dfx's drivers always worked and now there is no one with that kind of driver support. Hmmmph...oh wait, that wasn't VIA! 😉

Really, has anyone ever seen a VIA "fanatic"? I've seen VIA defenders, in fact I have defended them on many an occassion from Anti-VIA Fanatics, but I've never seen one person in 5-6 years who was a VIA rocks everyone else sucks fanatic.

SiS: A very good chipset, ECS, or more precisely PCChips, is another ball of wax. That's not saying that their boards are crap, it's that they have a very high rate of defects. When receiving a mobo from any PCChips variant(their are many), the first thing you should do is test every part of the mobo, all slots, ports, etc. If something doesn't work send it back for a replacement, the next board will probably be fine.


Personal experience with PCChips:

1) bro bought a MTech M-548(PCChips S7/VIA chipset), first board was DOA. The replacement worked, but was very unstable with a k6 233
2) I bought an Amptron 9600(PCChips S7/ALI chipset), this board was stable with a k6-2 300 , but later on I discovered that a serial port was DOA

ECS is probably better than these companies, but I'd still be careful with making sure everything works before letting the RMA period expire.
 
>I guess SiS isn't as perfect as one would believe. But at least I won't HARP on it...

yea but did ya notice that they release the AGP driver today.... which means that within 10 days they had two diff driver updates.
 
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