[vga.zol] hd 7950 ocing and 3dmark 11 results.. fermi better be scared

[Keysplayr]

Is there an English comprehension problem in this thread?

If you don't understand what is happening, then I would say, yes?

 

[MrK6]

Is there an English comprehension problem in this thread?

Yes, let's go through some of it.

why not compare fermi with AMD's last years hardware. People are just fanbois around here.

Why would you not compare what's on the market currently? Anything Fermi is no competition for the 7970. AMD has the fastest single GPU and fastest dual GPU solutions on the market, end of story.

No cause once Kepler comes out they'll be talking about 8 series being the savior of all AMD.
And if it isn't faster, they'll talk about performance per watt and price vs performance.
The key to victory is changing the conditions to suit your needs.

Kind of like what you're doing, right?

Sad....really sad. I don't even have the energy to break down your contradictory statement.

Because there's nothing contradictory in it.

The 7970 is no doubt the best buy for the money right now. Not comparing but stating.

And how is that statement different from what you just bashed several others for stating?

 

[MrK6]

I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing last gen to this gen even if Nvidia doesn't have anything out yet for this gen.

I do it myself when I get 30-50% more performance than a 7970 overclocked with considerably less invested while having enjoyed that performance for over a year now.

No you don't. You've made a habit of posting this fallacy in every 7970 thread and have yet to back up your statement, so I'll just go ahead and refute it right here.

Your GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12055
1st place water-cooled GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12179
1st place water-cooled 7970 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12459

The 7970 is 3.4% faster than your setup and 2.3% faster than the 1st place GTX 470 SLI setup. So no, your setup is not "30-50% faster" than an overclocked 7970. Every time you post this from now on, I'm going to link to this post.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, let's go through some of it.

Why would you not compare what's on the market currently? Anything Fermi is no competition for the 7970. AMD has the fastest single GPU and fastest dual GPU solutions on the market, end of story.

We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.

 

[AtenRa]

Im really waiting to see where HD7950 will land in performance vs HD7970 kai GTX580/70.

According to latest info/rumor whatever, it will have 800MHz for the ALUs and 1250MHz for the mem. If it will have 1792 ALUs at 800MHz it will roughly be ~15-20% faster on average than HD6970

 

[amenx]

We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.

Aw keys, let em have fun. Is the only time AMD folk can delight in their cards beating Nvidia, comparing it to last gen. Seems quite an achievement, so let em enjoy their moment in the sun.

 

[MrK6]

We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.

I will undoubtedly compare Kepler to whatever is on the market then as well. What's your point?

Im really waiting to see where HD7950 will land in performance vs HD7970 kai GTX580/70.

According to latest info/rumor whatever, it will have 800MHz for the ALUs and 1250MHz for the mem. If it will have 1792 ALUs at 800MHz it will roughly be ~15-20% faster on average than HD6970

By most rumors, it seems like we're looking at GTX 580-level performance. The final MSRP and unlocking capabilities will determine if this card is a dud or not.

 

[AtenRa]

By most rumors, it seems like we're looking at GTX 580-level performance. The final MSRP and unlocking capabilities will determine if this card is a dud or not.

15-20% faster on average than HD6970 will put it next to GTX580.

 

[Keysplayr]

Aw keys, let em have fun. Is the only time AMD folk can delight in their cards beating Nvidia, comparing it to last gen. Seems quite an achievement, so let em enjoy their moment in the sun.

LOL Amenx. Allright. I'll go easy on em. Not trying to bust his chops. Just want fairness later.

@ MrK6: "I will undoubtedly compare Kepler to whatever is on the market then as well. What's your point?"

Of course you will. Because you have to now. That is my point. And if for some reason you forget to do that when the time comes, I can help remind you. That's all. :thumbsup:
It's all good M.

 

[Keysplayr]

15-20% faster on average than HD6970 will put it next to GTX580.

This is exactly where I think it will land. Equal to or just a scooch faster than GTX580. Stock speeds of course. Overclocking is a bonus.

 

[MrK6]

LOL Amenx.

@ MrK6: "I will undoubtedly compare Kepler to whatever is on the market then as well. What's your point?"

Of course you will. Because you have to now. That is my point. And if for some reason you "forget" to do that when the time comes, I can help remind you. That's all. :thumbsup:
It's all good M.

So you're then insinuating that in the past, I haven't? I assume you therefore have proof? Or are you also completely lacking character as well as tact in making such baseless accusations?

My, it seems the Green team is really upset over the 7000 series. Are the forums really going to have to deal with this "cry baby" mentality until whenever Kepler is released?

 

[Keysplayr]

So you're then insinuating that in the past, I haven't? I assume you therefore have proof? Or are you also completely lacking character as well as tact in making such baseless accusations?

My, it seems the Green team is really upset over the 7000 series. Are the forums really going to have to deal with this "cry baby" mentality until whenever Kepler is released?

No, not at all. I'm talking the present and the future. That is within the scope of the context I meant to convey. Nothing more, no insinuations. Please try not to get defensive here. I'm saying that I don't want to hear anything different when the tables are turned later in the year.
An the green team, if you're referring to me, thinks the 7970 is a really nice card. It is priced where it is supposed to be. It's all good. Don't confuse my wanting fair play when the tables turn later, for me not liking the 7000 series. It's untrue.
Fermi is last gen but still holds it's own. The 7970 is a decent increase over the 6 series.

 

[MrK6]

No, not at all. I'm talking the present and the future. That is within the scope of the context I meant to convey. Nothing more, no insinuations. Please try not to get defensive here. I'm saying that I don't want to hear anything different when the tables are turned later in the year.

Why would you expect that you would hear something different in the first place if you weren't insinuating I wouldn't make an honest comparison then? Again, beyond the personal attack, where's the proof? Accusing someone of an intention to be dishonest and then adding "try not to get defensive" is obnoxious, to say the least.

 

[Keysplayr]

Why would you expect that you would hear something different in the first place if you weren't insinuating I wouldn't make an honest comparison then? Again, beyond the personal attack, where's the proof? Accusing someone of an intention to be dishonest and then adding "try not to get defensive" is obnoxious, to say the least.

You've been around long enough to know how these forums flip flop when tables turn or situations change. That's all. So, I'm not accusing you of anything, but straight out asking you to be fair later. You favor AMD and I favor Nvidia. Like our favorite football teams I suppose.
So, back OT? Or....
And apologies if you thought I was accusing you of lying. I was not. As explained above.

 

[amenx]

My, it seems the Green team is really upset over the 7000 series. Are the forums really going to have to deal with this "cry baby" mentality until whenever Kepler is released?

What do you mean green team? I think everyone can speak for themselves. Personally, as an NV owner, I am quite impressed with the OPs findings that the 79xx beat fermi. And its a proper comparison. Way to go AMD. I was similarly impressed on the CPU front when Thuban beat C2D. It just goes to show that AMD is capable of pulling out surprises every now and then. So big respect to them for that.

 

[MrK6]

You've been around long enough to know how these forums flip flop when tables turn or situations change. That's all. So, I'm not accusing you of anything, but straight out asking you to be fair later. You favor AMD and I favor Nvidia. Like our favorite football teams I suppose.
So, back OT? Or....
And apologies if you thought I was accusing you of lying. I was not. As explained above.

First, by asking me to "be fair later," you're assuming that I wouldn't be unless you called me out on it. That's a personal attack and an insult to my character, you should know better. Secondly, I don't favor AMD. I favor whatever is the best solution available using the proposed metrics. I recommend cards from either company (and even Intel as the situation may call for). The fact that you're biased reflects solely on you, no one else. Just because you choose a side doesn't mean others want to nor should they be forced to "join a side." This is an enthusiast's forum and the bottom line is great hardware, regardless of who makes it.

 

[Grooveriding]

What a dosage of deja vu in this thread. Nvidia fans crying because nvidia can't compete; due to once again poor execution on a new node and no product out or in sight.

Why not stop thread crapping and the tears and just wait for nvidia to manage a 28nm release, instead of making excuses for them not having good execution and crying about 'fairness' in comparisons. Better yet, contact nvidia and explain as a loyal nvidia customer you're not happy by their continued poor execution on new nodes as you need them to have a product available so they still look good in benchmarks....

 

[KCfromNC]

We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.

Assuming nV actually manages to release a faster card before AMD refreshes their line, why would you think that anyone would be upset if a company released a faster, cheaper product than the competition?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

No you don't. You've made a habit of posting this fallacy in every 7970 thread and have yet to back up your statement, so I'll just go ahead and refute it right here.

Your GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12055
1st place water-cooled GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12179
1st place water-cooled 7970 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12459

The 7970 is 3.4% faster than your setup and 2.3% faster than the 1st place GTX 470 SLI setup. So no, your setup is not "30-50% faster" than an overclocked 7970. Every time you post this from now on, I'm going to link to this post.

Link this one it has actual games..

7970 @ 1125 (highest he can do with voltage added was 1175 but has chosen to use 1125 because it doesn't require extra voltage)

VS

470 SLI @ 930 core

CoP:

470s are faster by:

Test1: 35%
Test2: 50%
Test3: 55%
Test4: 55%

Crysis 2:

Bottom 3 are @ 1125/1575 470s @ 940 core

470s are faster by:

TimeSquare: 24%
Downtown: 28%
CentralPark: 38%

Still though, if you're comparing a $630-$700 single water cooled card to a $450 last gen setup and getting 3.4% more performance you're probably doing something wrong if you weren't seeking epeen only.

 

[MrK6]

Link this one it has actual games..

7970 @ 1125 (highest he can do with voltage added was 1175 but has chosen to use 1125 because it doesn't require extra voltage)

VS

470 SLI @ 930 core

So you get to overclock your GTX 470's to the maximum, but the 7970 is gimped to CCC limits? How is that a fair comparison? I mean, didn't you already say in this thread:

The key to victory is changing the conditions to suit your needs.

Hypocrisy much?

Still though, if you're comparing a $630-$700 single water cooled card to a $450 last gen setup and getting 3.4% more performance you're probably doing something wrong if you weren't seeking epeen only.

It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.

 

[SirPauly]

Fermi was already obsoleted with the 7970 launch. Well, at least the GTX580 was. But AMD won't be competing with the GTX5xx forever.

What makes one say this? I would wager that Fermi GTX 580's and Fermi Sku's are still selling solidly. Eventually, when there is more volume with GCN and competition from Kepler -- wouldn't disagree.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So you get to overclock your GTX 470's to the maximum, but the 7970 is gimped to CCC limits? How is that a fair comparison? I mean, didn't you already say in this thread:



Hypocrisy much?

It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.

Unable to read much?

(highest he can do with voltage added was 1175 but has chosen to use 1125 because it doesn't require extra voltage)

940/950 isn't my max, sorry

 

[James3shin]

Where are the benchmarks? I would like to know if the 7950 is going to perform better than a 580.

 

[Quantos]

Right, so, how about you find what's your max, and we find somewhere what's a 7970's max on water, and compare that?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.

Which is saying what? I won't have these cards long enough for the power draw difference to make up for the initial cost difference. Not even close, I'd have to keep them for decades.

You never proved anyone wrong, 3Dmark11 isn't a game.

Let's talk about your card, maybe you'll download a few benches so we can have a go at it.

$560 initial cost, $10 to return it, 15% restocking fee, another $560 purchase, plus your $60 block.


84 + 10 + 60 + 560 = $714 single card setup

Now post some benches at your max clocks and we'll discuss the performance difference with $714 invested vs $450 and you'll have your chance to "prove me wrong".