VGA PROBLEM

[eastsmile]

My Rig
Motherboard:Gigabyte P35DS3R
VGA:Gigabyte GV-NX85T512HP
PSU:Cooler Master 500watt
Processor:Intel core 2 duo 2.66Ghz
RAM:Kingston Hyper X 2GB
HDD:Western Digital 302GB
OS:Windows Vista

After installing the Nvidia driver & rebooting it, everything seems to work fine. The problem occurs when I shut down the pc, it just shutting down [it should have 'shutting down' menu at the display when you switch off your pc right?]. So when I switched on my pc nothing display on the monitor just total black out. I've to reboot it to safe mode & roll back the vga driver.

Need help to solve this problem.

 

[Err0r404]

REMOVE all VGA drivers first, then reinstall the NEWEST drivers you can find from nvidia websitea nd this time when it said "reboot now.... "click okay and let it shut down on its own . Give it time and let it do it on its own. This may be from you rebooting manually (Forced shutdown) before it can process the driver files.

Vista is having ALOT of problems with driver issues to begin with, it may not have process some of it driver updates or got hungup in the post processing, and people thinks force shutdown will speed things up and hit the reset button when computer is stuck on "SHUTING DOWN" stage.

Also check your powerprofiles and make sure nothing wrong with all the settings...ie. Shutdown immediately or something isn't setup. 2. make sure you have an account on that computer, even if you are THE administrator, create an administrator account so you can try to LOG OFF first, and test your reboot.

Keep me posted...

 

[eastsmile]

I've removed all the VGA drivers and installed the LATEST drivers form Nvidia website. So I rebooted and let it shut down on its own and it works fine. I switched off my pc and switched it on again my monitor will black out and flash its LED (like it is in power saving mode).

 

[Err0r404]

Does your motherboard have VGA on-board? if so, can you try to connect that onboard VGA and try to boot it?

Also make sure you change the Onboard VGA to PCIExpress in cmos or possibly disabling onboard all together. I just want to make sure your computer isn't trying to display using onboard VGA card instead of your PCI Express.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Err0r404
Does your motherboard have VGA on-board? if so, can you try to connect that onboard VGA and try to boot it?

Also make sure you change the Onboard VGA to PCIExpress in cmos or possibly disabling onboard all together. I just want to make sure your computer isn't trying to display using onboard VGA card instead of your PCI Express.

kinda hard to do that wouldnt you say if it wont boot the monitor up for anything

You can try first resetting cmos on the mobo just incase there is something in there that got switched around that shouldnt of, or had a brain fart, I mean these are pc computers and anything, and I mean anything can happen. I do doubt that will work but give it a shot, should reset it to defalt everything and if it was a faulty bios what ever and boots can finally go back in and reset to how you like it to be.

BUT, I dont think thats it. You for sure need 1 of 2 things. One being another video card if handy, doesnt have to be anything special, just something you can pop in there and see if it will boot up the pc at all. But I would be looking towards your PSU taking a dump not prroviding the right ammount of current to power up your video card. this wouldnt be the first time I seen it happen, and for one customer I did, that I will never forget, all I had to do was install another stick of memory in and the psu blew up the moment I stuck it all back together. It would power up all fans, and act as if it wanted to boot but didnt. It had a nothing special anything though dell. Old PIII in here. Ran home got my other spare psu I had laying around stuck it in and it booted up. Took the other PSU apart and it was just unlucky at that moment a diode burnt up causing it not to boot at that moment. before the install it all worked great, it was just bad luck and that one time in my hands it blew up.

So if you can get your hands on either another card, any PCI, NOT PCI-E, will do just fine to test and can be had cheap at any store for a spare, and try the old bios clear and video card swap, then hit the psu, other then that LMK what its doing if anything for from there it could be bad ram, cpu took a crap, especially if its stock, old, and had the thermal pad on it for ever, or you got some bad luck and the mobo took a shit, or even a combo of it all.

PC diag is sooooo much fun.......NOT.....worst part I hate when customer brings me a dead pc and asks "fix in in a few hours? And this will just cost me around $15-$20 right?"

 

[eastsmile]

No my motherboard Gigabyte P35-DS3R does not have onboard VGA. And as for the CMOS part I had cleared it, bought a new pair of RAM nothing works. Well I don't think it is the PSU problem... when I installed the Nvidia driver & rebooting it the video work fine. Could it be an IRQ conflict?

 

[Err0r404]

Can you tell me alittle bit of how this problem started? Is your HD clean install or does it have Vista before you switched hardware? is it all due to change of video card/driver? if so, what did you have before or is this a brand new setup and install?

Just incase you are concerned about IRQ conflict, if you use the first PCI slot next to the PCI-E just swap it to the next slot down, usually IRQ is shared with first PCI slot and PCI-E that are next to eachother. I don't think this is IRQ issue as you should atleast boot to bios and crash after if this is IRQ conflict.

When you reboot with this problem, does your keyboard lights goes on at all?
Try to switch off PSU power button off completely, wait a few sec, then turn it back on and does it boot?

One Possibility is Vista issue with Nvidia drivers but usually it should boot to bios atleast from cold boot. It is possible that vista is shutting down as hybernate or sleep instead and your computer is having problem resuming from that (this is known issue)

Some privacy software could enable your Windows hibernation and visual memory cache, which could extremely ease the shut down process. Mainly, antivirus software like Norton or McAffe enable it after installation, although this feature is by default off. To determine whether or not these features are enabled on your PC, type the GPEDIT.MSC command at the Run prompt to load the Group Policy Editor. Then, navigate through the console tree to Computer Configuration >> Windows Settings >> Security Settings >> Local Policies >> Security Options. Find the Shutdown there and verify is Clear Virtual Memory Pagefile option disabled. If this option is enabled, you can disable it by double clicking on the setting and choosing the Disabled option. - Beldig (H-Desk Hardware)

Can you tell me what happen if you reset your cmos with jumper and will it boot? and if it does boots, choose safe mode by hitting F8 before vista loads and shut it down from safemode. Once its shutdown, will it reboot? If you can't shutdown properly from Safemode, obviously something isn't right from the start and we may need start w/ process of elimination.

Just out of curiousity, have you try rolling back to a few older version of Nvidia drivers instead of newst Beta drivers. (which version of nvidia do you have btw?)

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: eastsmile
No my motherboard Gigabyte P35-DS3R does not have onboard VGA. And as for the CMOS part I had cleared it, bought a new pair of RAM nothing works. Well I don't think it is the PSU problem... when I installed the Nvidia driver & rebooting it the video work fine. Could it be an IRQ conflict?

Considering your "driver" really doesnt kick in till your into windows, and it worked once and booted into windows before and after you installed the new driver the POOF it quit booting and doing anything, its a hardware problem. Like I said computers can and will do ANYTHING and any moment. One minute they are working like a charm and the next out of the blue you got what you got.

But if you look at the facts given.
It worked at one time with your card
It booted not only into bios but into windows
Then all of a sudden it quit, but luck of the draw it quit after you upgraded a SOFTWARE install and now nothing. No boot into bios windows nothing.

In order to boot into windows and get all the drivers to work right it needs to first be booted from bios. Its not even booting into bios, which all it will do will make your card turn on it all the hardware isworking right. it doesnt use any of the driver code installed in windows to make it work so saying the driver you just now installed is causing this is wrong. Just to get Bios up and showing you can forget anything you did in windows, just cross it from your mind for if it was that you would get bios to boot and the trouble youd be bitching about would be random restarts going into windows, currupt graphics, blah blah blah, you not, for again, no bios screen or anything.

Now we have to figure out why your not booting just in bios to start with. Main causes for not booting into bios:
bad ram
Bad video card
Bad PSU
Bad MOBO
Bad IDE Cables
Overclocked CPU couldnt take no more
Overclocked ram couldnt take no more (meaning it was that one last time at higher then norm volts, and the one last restart it died)
Monitor input took a shit
Mouse took off with your megahurtz

You need to start with the basics. You know it had working video before, but now not. You need to get your hands on a super cheap $30 PCI video card from best buy, walmart, kmart, sams club, a friend, just get one, and keep it forever. A spare is always needed for this.

Try the new video card on your board. No one says you need to keep it to run your games and rigs with, just to test with and if your pc turns on you have a place to start. try your card at a friends house. If it works there Id say your PSU is on its last leg. Doesnt matter when you bought it, how many watts, amps, it has, again this is pc stuff were talking about shit happeneds more so then not and seen many wtf's over the last 10+ years working on these damn things.

If it will not boot with the new video card your in for hell for it can be any combination of other hardware and thats when the fun beginds and why I asked you uptop this is where you really need to start.

But not trying to be a dick but thinking it was the software you installed causing this when it wont boot into windows to even run the software you installed is wrong way thinking. Its like trying to diag a car problem. You start with the basics. Gas, Air, Spark, you got them going for you, time to look somewhere else on why it wont start.

In your case it wont even boot into windows, WHICH, if you removed the hard drive out of the computer, the card and mobo will still boot into bios, without a single driver from windows even making it do that

Hence why Im telling you your looking in the wrong places, its a hardware problem plain and simple, diag it and find out what it is. Im not the smartest problem in the software department with these damn things but my 20+ years in auto mechanics, and 30+ years in tearing apart and fixing electronics, has made me pretty good at finding the cause of a hardware meltdown and so far Im 10000+-0 in always getting my hardware issue corrected. No bring me a hard drive with currupt this and that, Im good at trying to save what you need saved and just flush that sucker and redo OS.

 

[eastsmile]

Yo funboy42 you telling me that my RM347 [equivalent to USD 118] VGA is defective. Sigh... I will try my video card at a friends house. In Malaysia they don't sell cheap PCI card.
Merry christmas to you and how I wish santa claus will bring me a brand new PCI card [Nvidia 8800 series]

 

[TemjinGold]

Originally posted by: eastsmile
Yo funboy42 you telling me that my RM347 [equivalent to USD 118] VGA is defective. Sigh... I will try my video card at a friends house. In Malaysia they don't sell cheap PCI card.
Merry christmas to you and how I wish santa claus will bring me a brand new PCI card [Nvidia 8800 series]

Just wanted to clarify: PCI != PCI-E. 8800 series and quite a few generations before it is on PCI-E, not PCI. funboy is suggesting you get a REALLY slow (and old) video card from back when they made PCI video cards (before AGP existed.)

You may have better luck simply seeing if your friend would lend you his/her card to try in your system.

 

[eastsmile]

Hi Err0r404

Its a brand new pc. Bought the pc component part by part and assembled it myself. Initially I used winXP pro sp2. Sadly it couldn't detect my VGA even after installed its driver and also there're IRQ conflicts:

1.Input/output range 03B0-03BB used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
2.Input/output range 03C0-03DF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
3.Memory Range 000A0000-000BFFFF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1

With Vista Operating system I didn't get these conflicting devices.
One question:Is it only after we installed the drivers then the motherboard can detected the VGA type we're using? Or with or without installing the VGA drivers the motherboard still can detect the VGA type?

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: eastsmile
Hi Err0r404

Its a brand new pc. Bought the pc component part by part and assembled it myself. Initially I used winXP pro sp2. Sadly it couldn't detect my VGA even after installed its driver and also there're IRQ conflicts:

1.Input/output range 03B0-03BB used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
2.Input/output range 03C0-03DF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
3.Memory Range 000A0000-000BFFFF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1

With Vista Operating system I didn't get these conflicting devices.
One question:Is it only after we installed the drivers then the motherboard can detected the VGA type we're using? Or with or without installing the VGA drivers the motherboard still can detect the VGA type?

As I mentioned with any mobo and video card, you do not need a driver, or even a hard drive on the mobo for it to fire up and start bios. If you dont have a hdd installed and it goes past the bios screen all you will get is a error saying it cannot find os. Its not using any driver at all at first cold start up when it first turns on and runs through bios then goes into loading your os. Why I made mention that if its not even booting into bios, and you have cleared bios, and at one point or another it was starting up, there is a hardware conflict. You just have the pleasure right now of going through the many steps to see why. But since its not showing a screen, and if this was my PC, I would start at Monitor, Video Card, PSU, and go further from there if those all turned up just fine for it can get much harder after that.

And that is really the problem your having because without even getting ino bios at all, you cant wipe out your hard drive, set bios functions, nothing, and why I suggested to you just to get a old PCI, not PCI-E, video card just to use as a starting testbed, or to get your card over to a friends and see if your card will boot on his/her system. if it doesnt then you know its just your video card, if it does it can be many other things. But still my money rests on Video card or psu for the time for you need a set voltage jsut for the card to operate and for your mobo to go into bios. So its right now a toss up as for which one, but as I mentioned if it were my PC, thats where I would start at. And if it is your video card or psu, it should have a warranty on it for some period to have it replaced, another reason to have spare parts laying around so you can make due while they are gone, or your saving up to replace what broke

And as I re-read your OP, I am getting a bit further confusied by you saying it blacks out, but you boot into safemode. Are you saying it doe go on, through bios, into os, then takes a dump, or are you not getting anything when you turn it on just a black screen?

I read your op, then a reply a bit down and you talk as if you hit the power and you get nothing at all, but then I just read in the op you can get it into safe mode, which means no black out monitor till it hits the os. So if I could know which it is so I can then rethink what all I wrote, that would be great.

Let me know is it:
1. Hit power dont get jack crap just the monitor blinking at you, no bios screen, absolute nothing but the fans and lights coming on
or
2. Goes past bios, acts as if it wants to load windows, then you get the monitor blinking at you.

 

[eastsmile]

Ok its a normal process after you've installed the VGA drivers the pc will tell you to reboot. I followed the instruction and the pc goes past bios, load windows. I can play movie and bla bla bla so I tell to myself everything seems to work fine. But when I switched off the pc it just 'POOF' you know straight away shutting down [normal shut down it would display 'shutting down' then the pc will switch off by itself right].

Out of curiosity I switched on the pc again and 'Goes past bios, load windows' and what I got is just a black screen 'absolute nothing but the fans and lights coming on'. I reboot it again still I got the black screen and after a few seconds flash its LED (like it is in power saving mode).

You don't have to be a genius to figure out the root of this problem. So I restarted the pc into safe mode and roll back the VGA driver, reboot it and back to normal [that is before I installed the VGA drivers ]. Problem only occurs when I installed the VGA drivers [the Gigabyte GV-NX85T512HP drivers that came with it also didn't help].


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[funboy6942]

AH, OK, I was confuised thinking it wasnt going past bios at all, this makes a huge diff then.

Alright. So for starters, you do have net 2.0 installed right?

If not do it, then go here and download this program:
Reg/driver/software cleaner

Go into your remove programs sections and remove all nvidia drivers in it and reboot.

After rebooting install the above program, after do and you click yadda yadda to get it to run go into the software section and delete anything that has to do with nvidia, or the older driver. Then go into remove programs of that program and make sure all Nvidia and older driver stuff is removed out of there. Then go into start up and make sure there is nothing in there related to the vga drive new and old that would start up when the computer boots and starts up. After that go into tools, select reg cleaner, then do them all and let it go through and clean up all the clutter and crap from the reg, and after that, reboot your pc, then install just the newer Nvidia driver, and that should make all right with the world finally.

Sorry for the other confusion, I got mixed things from you on the replies and took it as just not going into bios at all. But this shoudl clean up anything new and old in the reg, at start up, and just hanging around in old software that didnt get deleted properly for what ever reason and start with a fresh slate.

Hope this helps, and have a merry you know

 

[eastsmile]

I reformatted my pc [all the drivers and bla bla were deleted right. No left over]. First I installed Microsoft SDK and the VGA drivers the same thing happened again.

My next option is to bring the video card to a friend house.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: eastsmile
I reformatted my pc [all the drivers and bla bla were deleted right. No left over]. First I installed Microsoft SDK and the VGA drivers the same thing happened again.

My next option is to bring the video card to a friend house.

Well then its not going to be your card, its now a software problem. Have you tried to reformat and do XP only and the hell with VISTA till they and everyone else gets their act together? If it works in XP I can forward you to a program that simulates all the Vista eyecandy with not near all the bs that goes with it.

Dont get me wrong vista is cool and all, and I would even love to run it too, but not at the expense of system crashes, and games that no longer work, half ass work, or programs or hardware I have to replace just so I can run it all. XP is still doing just fine for me. One huge stopper is Game tap. That place only runs on 98 and xp, and vista is I guess giving them such hell they cant get it to run yet on it, and Im not about to give up game tap to go oooooo ahhhhhhhh thats cool look at my huge e-wang everyone I run Vista now. Thats right who wants to touch me, I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME!

ANyway, if you have already formatted it, take the 20 more minutes and see if it is a software crash between vista and your mobo and VGA drivers. If all is good with xp, its not your card, nor the drivers in XP, but a conflict between VISTA and all else.

 

[eastsmile]

Befor I switched to Vista operating system, I used winXP pro sp2. Sadly it couldn't detect my VGA even after installed its driver and also there're IRQ conflicts:

1.Input/output range 03B0-03BB used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
2.Input/output range 03C0-03DF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
3.Memory Range 000A0000-000BFFFF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1

With Vista Operating system I didn't get these conflicting devices.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: eastsmile
Befor I switched to Vista operating system, I used winXP pro sp2. Sadly it couldn't detect my VGA even after installed its driver and also there're IRQ conflicts:

1.Input/output range 03B0-03BB used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
2.Input/output range 03C0-03DF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1
3.Memory Range 000A0000-000BFFFF used by Intel(R) G33/G31/P35 Express chipset PCI Express Root Port-29c1

With Vista Operating system I didn't get these conflicting devices.

WOW, that thing is a PITA! Well since it happens under XP and VISTA ID say then maybe a bad bios. have you tried to update it yet? If so maybe, just maybe it is your card but wow, this is yet another example that computers can and do anything really messed up at anytime to drive you up the damn wall.

 

[eastsmile]

Hi funboy42

What I feared most happened to me. You're right it is a hardware problem. My brand new PCI-Express VGA card is defective. I tested it at a friend's house. The same thing happened, BLACK screen. Sigh... I've to dig deeper into my pocket to buy that video card and if I'm going to replace that video card I've to travel 900km.

Thanks funboy42