[vg24/7]wh40k: space marine breaks out the big guns.. new MP DLC features dready!

[IonusX]

a new DLC for wh40k: space marine is on the horizon. for an unlisted priceyou can get your hands on 2 new modes of play as well as new MP maps for existing modes.
one of the new modes is really fascinatimng in which players msut seize control of a dreadnaught idleing on a spot on the map. once captured a player must pilot it to various objectives. armed with strong melee and ranged weapons including the almighty powerfist and combi-autocannon + meltagun players will be hard pressed to fell it as it plods across the battlefield sowing destruction in its wake.
there is also the new mp mode command & control which folks will get for fre dlc or no dlc next week which on paper sounds alot like KoTH!
http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/18/dreadnought-dlc-releasing-for-warhammer-40000-space-marine-next-week/
prepare for dready!

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Is any of that DLC an extension of the story?

also, after having played through Space Marine now I want to read the books...what's the best one to start with?

 

[Elcs]

Is any of that DLC an extension of the story?

also, after having played through Space Marine now I want to read the books...what's the best one to start with?

No, the DLC is Multiplayer only.

Books? What faction interests you the most? Space Marines? Orks? Chaos? Eldar? Tyranids? Imperial Guard? The Holy Inquisition?

If you're wanting to dip your toes into the Fiction, there are a lot of short story books which will have a variety of action in them.

Recommendations:
Space Marines: Ultramarines series, Grey Knights series
Imperial Guard: Gaunt's Ghosts series (IG regiment), Ciaphus Cain series (Commissar)
Chaos: Storm of Iron, Soul Drinkers series
Inquisition: Eisenhorn series (my favourite), Ravenor series (read this after Eisenhorn)
Titans: Titanicus, Titan: War Machine (comic book)

As for Ork, Necron or Tyranid-specific books, I don't think (m)any books have been written from their perspective so cannot provide recommendations in that area.

If you want to commit yourself to learning, in detail, about how the Imperium of Man has become the monstrosity it is you should look at the Horus Heresy series. It is a very, very long series which still has not been completed. I've heard that it is very good but as far as reading goes it is not my priority.

 

[ramj70]

Elcs gave some good recommendations on books there. If you are interested in the Horus heresy series I would recommend Horus Rising, False Gods, Mechanicum, Legion, Fulgrim, Galxy in Flames, and The Flight of the Eisenstein. There are others but those were my favorites. There are also books with several short stories like Tales of Heresy and Age of Darkness. Here is where you can get the books in paper, audio or ebook format.

http://www.blacklibrary.com

This is also a good site to get lots of background information on the 40K universe.

http://www.lexicanum.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

if the DLC content/price ratio is right, i'd pick it up. space marine was lots of fun. i just have so damn many games to play that after a little while it got shelved.

i could go for a few rounds of exterminatus though. *gets out heavy bolter*

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Which books go into detail about the Emperor as far back as chronologically possible? I'm mostly interested in reading about him and Chaos gods...so I'm guessing Horus Heresy then?

 

[Elcs]

Which books go into detail about the Emperor as far back as chronologically possible? I'm mostly interested in reading about him and Chaos gods...so I'm guessing Horus Heresy then?

Horus Heresy series starting with Horus Rising (I think) by Dan Abnett.

Bear in mind, it covers the Horus Heresy in great detail and the series is still ongoing.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Horus Heresy series starting with Horus Rising (I think) by Dan Abnett.

Bear in mind, it covers the Horus Heresy in great detail and the series is still ongoing.

I definitely recommend the Horus Heresy series. You can also find a wealth of information at Warhammer 40k lexicanum website but since the release of the books they've ammended it with spoilers from the books but it gives you a good idea of what happened before the books.

IMO everything is more interesting when you get a general idea of the timeline and then when you start reading the books you get more specific details about certain events that you read about in the timeline and how things fit together.

The horus heresy series is going on about 18 books so far but they're fairly easy reads. It's usually a good idea to read it in the order that it was printed in so you don't get skipped on things that get referenced.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Also if you thought the story in the game was good then you'll definitely enjoy the books because, IMO, the storylines from the video games are nowhere near as good as the books.

 

[KaOTiK]

Which books go into detail about the Emperor as far back as chronologically possible? I'm mostly interested in reading about him and Chaos gods...so I'm guessing Horus Heresy then?

As others mentioned, the Horus Heresy is where to start then. It will have the Emperor being as normal as he can be when they speak of him as they don't view him as a god yet and he isn't stuck on the Golden Throne, it also speaks a fair bit about Old Terra and the Unification Wars (stuff before he made the Space Marines/Primarchs).

As for the Chaos Gods, in the Horus Heresy they are just being known to some but most in the Imperium do not even know of their existence yet, but you get a lot of insight on how they work and how plans are set in motion over large periods of time to achieve their goals.

All that info is spread out though over many books with tidbits here and there.

Another good chaos book, though harder to find since it is a bit old is Eye of Terror (it follows more of two daemon princes though than the gods, you don't find much on the gods themselves outside of references in most books).

I do recommend reading the Horus Heresy in the order it was published though. The first 3 books must be read in order as they are basically a trilogy in their own right, the two Dark Angels books can be read back to back as well and Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns can be read back to back as well, and while the most of the rest are more like independent stories of each legion or faction, they are all following the same timeline and do reference back to stuff that is only in the previous books (most stuff isn't a big deal, but it does make the enjoyment much more when you can fully understand what is being said/implied in those cases).

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

Actually, reading the Lexicanum is the largest reason I want to read the books, I've had various things from it favorited for a couple of years but then after playing Space Marine now I want to see the actual books from which the lex articles are written; so Horus Heresy it is, then.

One thing the game Space Marine has me interested in finding out is why Chaos Marines/Nemeroth say that Titus follows the "False" Emperor. Is that explained in Horus Heresy or was that made up for the game?

 

[KaOTiK]

Actually, reading the Lexicanum is the largest reason I want to read the books, I've had various things from it favorited for a couple of years but then after playing Space Marine now I want to see the actual books from which the lex articles are written; so Horus Heresy it is, then.

One thing the game Space Marine has me interested in finding out is why Chaos Marines/Nemeroth say that Titus follows the "False" Emperor. Is that explained in Horus Heresy or was that made up for the game?

It has been explained, though maybe not very clearly. It isn't really a big thing as it is just the Chaos/Chaos Space Marines views/belief on things (more or less) while the Imperium calls the Chaos Space Marines traitors but in their eyes they are not. Basically it waters down to being an insult lol

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

It has been explained, though maybe not very clearly. It isn't really a big thing as it is just the Chaos/Chaos Space Marines views/belief on things (more or less) while the Imperium calls the Chaos Space Marines traitors but in their eyes they are not. Basically it waters down to being an insult lol

I was under the impression that Chaos Space Marines were...possessed...or at least, driven insane, in which case traitor doesn't seem accurate in a technical sense, lol.

Of course, I say that based ONLY on Space Marine and reading a fex lex entries...

 

[VashHT]

I was under the impression that Chaos Space Marines were...possessed...or at least, driven insane, in which case traitor doesn't seem accurate in a technical sense, lol.

Of course, I say that based ONLY on Space Marine and reading a fex lex entries...

They're not really possessed but I guess you could say they eventually go crazy. Basically Horus turns traitor and since the emperor has left the crusade he is able to convince several other legions to turn with him. Also I think this is why they call the emperor the false emperor, but that may also because they think the chaos gods are the true rulers of the universe. By tthe time space marine takes place though the chaos space marines are all pretty crazy and warped, after all they've spent a ton of time in the eye of terror.

 

[Elcs]

By tthe time space marine takes place though the chaos space marines are all pretty crazy and warped, after all they've spent a ton of time in the eye of terror.

By the time Space Marine takes place, Chaos has methods of creating new Space Marines and as far as my interpretation of it goes they are not crazy unless they give into the bloodlust of Khorne.

They just believe in different things to the Space Marines (and their different Chaos aspects) and use various different methods to achieve their goals.

They are seen as traitors by Space Marines loyal to The Emperor because they sided with Horus against The Emperor.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

They're not really possessed but I guess you could say they eventually go crazy. Basically Horus turns traitor and since the emperor has left the crusade he is able to convince several other legions to turn with him. Also I think this is why they call the emperor the false emperor, but that may also because they think the chaos gods are the true rulers of the universe. By tthe time space marine takes place though the chaos space marines are all pretty crazy and warped, after all they've spent a ton of time in the eye of terror.

No, they're not crazy. Many legions had perfectly legitimate reasons to turn to chaos.

Chaos isn't a "bad" thing. It's simply pure emotion, it brings out the most base of emotions and pleasures and amplifies them millions of times. Space Marines do things in the name of the primarch or the Emperor. Chaos space marines tend to do things for themselves.

They call him the "False Emperor" because he was seen has a god to the Imperium, though even he knew he wasn't and attempted to quell such notions. However, even the Space Marines ended up worshiping him, and after the Emperor acted like an asshole to the marine legions, the seeds of dissent spread, and ended with the traitor legions denouncing him and turned to chaos.

Not all traitor marines are crazy and warped. The Red Corsairs are traitor marines, but are not chaos, they're rengade marines. Younger Chaos Marines tend to be less warped and mutated, but they start changing after they start showing preference for a God.

If you MUST read the HH series or any 40k book, don't read everything. Don't read the Dark Angels HH books, they're trailer trash. Don't read anything by C.S Goto, he's terrible.

I recommend against reading the HH series because it changes alot of the fluff around usually not for the better.

 

[KaOTiK]

I was under the impression that Chaos Space Marines were...possessed...or at least, driven insane, in which case traitor doesn't seem accurate in a technical sense, lol.

Of course, I say that based ONLY on Space Marine and reading a fex lex entries...

Nope, not possessed. The only Chaos SM's that are possessed are the ones that give into Khorne (the blood god) and the ones that become deamon princes (but they aren't really SM's anymore than either). A lot of Chaos SM's will receive "gifts" from the Chaos god(s) they follow. I say "gifts" because to ones that are not chaos they are not (anything from having boils and a whole host of diseases (Nurgle) to having claw like arms and transparent skin (Tzeentch).

There is a lot to it at first, but a lot of what everyone has said in here is basics such it isn't spoilers.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Nope, not possessed. The only Chaos SM's that are possessed are the ones that give into Khorne (the blood god) and the ones that become deamon princes (but they aren't really SM's anymore than either). A lot of Chaos SM's will receive "gifts" from the Chaos god(s) they follow. I say "gifts" because to ones that are not chaos they are not (anything from having boils and a whole host of diseases (Nurgle) to having claw like arms and transparent skin (Tzeentch).

There is a lot to it at first, but a lot of what everyone has said in here is basics such it isn't spoilers.

No. Khornate Marines are no more possessed then any other marines. Khorne is not about mindless killing, blood must be shed, but honor and skill are a huge part of it. Khorne berserkers are a type of Khornate marine that rejects that and goes in fully BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, and sadly, it the only part of Khorne that gets emphasized. But otherwise Khorne is about the thrill of the Duel, the fight to the death with an opponent of skill.

Possessed Marines are a very particular subtype. Very very few marines want to be possessed, because robs them of the very reason they turned to chaos in the first place. Why would a marine, who turned to chaos for freedom, want to become possessed and bound to another daemon?

Daemon princes are not possessed, they simply receive a gift that gives them the advantages and disadvantages of being a daemon.

 

[KaOTiK]

No. Khornate Marines are no more possessed then any other marines. Khorne is not about mindless killing, blood must be shed, but honor and skill are a huge part of it. Khorne berserkers are a type of Khornate marine that rejects that and goes in fully BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, and sadly, it the only part of Khorne that gets emphasized. But otherwise Khorne is about the thrill of the Duel, the fight to the death with an opponent of skill.

Possessed Marines are a very particular subtype. Very very few marines want to be possessed, because robs them of the very reason they turned to chaos in the first place. Why would a marine, who turned to chaos for freedom, want to become possessed and bound to another daemon?

Daemon princes are not possessed, they simply receive a gift that gives them the advantages and disadvantages of being a daemon.

I'm pretty sure Daemon princes are possessed, at least some. Like Fulgrim for example, he has no control over himself anymore once he allowed the Daemon to possess him.

The Khorne thing, you are right, though I didn't type it out and should of, they aren't truly possessed but certainly act like it being nearly full out crazy most the time with minimal amount of lucid moments.

 

[VashHT]

No, they're not crazy. Many legions had perfectly legitimate reasons to turn to chaos.

Chaos isn't a "bad" thing. It's simply pure emotion, it brings out the most base of emotions and pleasures and amplifies them millions of times. Space Marines do things in the name of the primarch or the Emperor. Chaos space marines tend to do things for themselves.

They call him the "False Emperor" because he was seen has a god to the Imperium, though even he knew he wasn't and attempted to quell such notions. However, even the Space Marines ended up worshiping him, and after the Emperor acted like an asshole to the marine legions, the seeds of dissent spread, and ended with the traitor legions denouncing him and turned to chaos.

Not all traitor marines are crazy and warped. The Red Corsairs are traitor marines, but are not chaos, they're rengade marines. Younger Chaos Marines tend to be less warped and mutated, but they start changing after they start showing preference for a God.

If you MUST read the HH series or any 40k book, don't read everything. Don't read the Dark Angels HH books, they're trailer trash. Don't read anything by C.S Goto, he's terrible.

I recommend against reading the HH series because it changes alot of the fluff around usually not for the better.

Well yeah you're right not all of them are crazy, I always liked alpha legion a lot because they're traitor marines but they haven't given into the chaos gods.

Anyways you can argue that chaos isn't a bad thing but I won't agree with you. All the followers of chaos slaughter innocents, and the chaos entities themselves devour and enslave souls, I'm not sure how you can say they aren't "bad", they're pretty classic evil bad guys.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

One of the reasons why I like the WH40k universe. There's no real 'good guys'. Every faction is messed up for their own reasons and will do terrible things to their own. At best it's greater evils vs lesser evils.

 

[KaOTiK]

One of the reasons why I like the WH40k universe. There's no real 'good guys'. Every faction is messed up for their own reasons and will do terrible things to their own. At best it's greater evils vs lesser evils.

Isn't that the truth lol.

The good guys, the Imperium would be bad guys in most other universes lol.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Well yeah you're right not all of them are crazy, I always liked alpha legion a lot because they're traitor marines but they haven't given into the chaos gods.

Anyways you can argue that chaos isn't a bad thing but I won't agree with you. All the followers of chaos slaughter innocents, and the chaos entities themselves devour and enslave souls, I'm not sure how you can say they aren't "bad", they're pretty classic evil bad guys.

The point of the Universe is that there are no actual good guys.

Chaos is no worse than the Imperium itself. Chaos has its military base but it's also has its non military functions.

Khornate followers offer themselves in self sacrifice to their gods and are infatuated with increasing their fighting ability.

Nurgle followers tend to be the sick, the dying, wanting to do ANYTHING to live, and are taken in by grandfather nurgle, who makes them immune to their sickness and showers them with love. Nurgle is really the only guy in the entire universe that actually loves his followers and personally cares for them.

Slaneesh followers escape the harshness of the universe by throwing themselves into anything they want. They master the arts, they master singing, painting, beautification, and anything they desire to have a skill in.

While tzeentchians want to learn about the truth of the universe and the ultimate plan.

Compare this to the Imperium, who drafts millions and millions of soldiers a day to send to war, hive worlds of billions of people ruled by a single noble with absolute power over them with no governing structure and are slaves to his will. The imperium is allowed to destroy the population of entire worlds under the guise of protecting it from chaos, and the death of a billion citizens is merely a note in the millions of beaurocratic notes sent every second.

They have black ships that steal people and torture them, thousands people are kidnapped, tortured, forced to have surgeries without anesthesia and wallow in their own filth are fed to the emperor's shriveled husk every single day to keep him "alive". The inquisition has absolute authority and can kill anyone they deem a danger, with almost no oversight or reprucussions.

Can you really say the Imperium is much better than the freedom that chaos offers? Chaos offers freedom and safety. You are yourself under chaos, with no one that can really tell you what to do.

 

[surfsatwerk]

The point of the Universe is that there are no actual good guys.

Chaos is no worse than the Imperium itself. Chaos has its military base but it's also has its non military functions.

Khornate followers offer themselves in self sacrifice to their gods and are infatuated with increasing their fighting ability.

Nurgle followers tend to be the sick, the dying, wanting to do ANYTHING to live, and are taken in by grandfather nurgle, who makes them immune to their sickness and showers them with love. Nurgle is really the only guy in the entire universe that actually loves his followers and personally cares for them.

Slaneesh followers escape the harshness of the universe by throwing themselves into anything they want. They master the arts, they master singing, painting, beautification, and anything they desire to have a skill in.

While tzeentchians want to learn about the truth of the universe and the ultimate plan.

Compare this to the Imperium, who drafts millions and millions of soldiers a day to send to war, hive worlds of billions of people ruled by a single noble with absolute power over them with no governing structure and are slaves to his will. The imperium is allowed to destroy the population of entire worlds under the guise of protecting it from chaos, and the death of a billion citizens is merely a note in the millions of beaurocratic notes sent every second.

They have black ships that steal people and torture them, thousands people are kidnapped, tortured, forced to have surgeries without anesthesia and wallow in their own filth are fed to the emperor's shriveled husk every single day to keep him "alive". The inquisition has absolute authority and can kill anyone they deem a danger, with almost no oversight or reprucussions.

Can you really say the Imperium is much better than the freedom that chaos offers? Chaos offers freedom and safety. You are yourself under chaos, with no one that can really tell you what to do.

Why don't you have a seat over there?

 

[xSkyDrAx]

The point of the Universe is that there are no actual good guys.

Chaos is no worse than the Imperium itself. Chaos has its military base but it's also has its non military functions.

Khornate followers offer themselves in self sacrifice to their gods and are infatuated with increasing their fighting ability.

Nurgle followers tend to be the sick, the dying, wanting to do ANYTHING to live, and are taken in by grandfather nurgle, who makes them immune to their sickness and showers them with love. Nurgle is really the only guy in the entire universe that actually loves his followers and personally cares for them.

Slaneesh followers escape the harshness of the universe by throwing themselves into anything they want. They master the arts, they master singing, painting, beautification, and anything they desire to have a skill in.

While tzeentchians want to learn about the truth of the universe and the ultimate plan.

Compare this to the Imperium, who drafts millions and millions of soldiers a day to send to war, hive worlds of billions of people ruled by a single noble with absolute power over them with no governing structure and are slaves to his will. The imperium is allowed to destroy the population of entire worlds under the guise of protecting it from chaos, and the death of a billion citizens is merely a note in the millions of beaurocratic notes sent every second.

They have black ships that steal people and torture them, thousands people are kidnapped, tortured, forced to have surgeries without anesthesia and wallow in their own filth are fed to the emperor's shriveled husk every single day to keep him "alive". The inquisition has absolute authority and can kill anyone they deem a danger, with almost no oversight or reprucussions.

Can you really say the Imperium is much better than the freedom that chaos offers? Chaos offers freedom and safety. You are yourself under chaos, with no one that can really tell you what to do.

Well the thing about chaos is mainly, imo, about obssession. This obssession drives people to the chaos gods and what starts as a reasonable thing i.e (don't want to die, submit to nurgle, want more power submit to khorne/tzeentch, more pleasure slaneesh) but ultimately turns into an all consuming obssession in which you become a slave to chaos.