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Veterans Day

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Fear No Evil

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Its pretty sad that there doesn't appear to be a single thread here about Veterans Day today and its 11:30pm. Better late than never...

I'd like to thank everyone who has served in the military of our country. Thank you for your service past and present.




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Lemon law

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I agree with FearNoEvil that such a post should be made.

Sadly Veterans day has lost must of its luster since those heady days immediately after WW2 when the greatest generation came home to a well earned national thank you.

I submit that the valor of our service men and women is no less now than it was then, but as quite a number of incompetent Presidents and Generals have totally misused that valor subsequently while not delivering any victories, there is a sad national trend to blame the soldiers while giving incompetents Presidents and generals a passing grade.

Post WW2, Gulf war one is almost the sole US exception in military veterans not mis used.

Still, a thank you to all US military veterans should be the lesson, not just today, but 24/7/365.
 

boomerang

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A salute to all those that serve, those that served and those that gave their lives so that we may still continue to air our thoughts and opinions in the land of the free. My father would not have wanted to be saluted. Let this serve as thanks for his sacrifices.
 

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While I agree that the veterans certainly do deserve our thanks, I personally prefer the original vision of Armistice Day, which developed with the end of WW I (11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month), and was meant to both honor the fallen soldiers and to reaffirm the goals of the war to end all wars-world peace. Perhaps that generation was dreamers, but it certainly is a dream worth striving for and keeping alive.

I'd like to see a whole lot less fallen and maimed.
 

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Am I the only person who thinks we thank our veterans quite enough?
As long as you are able to speak English, the answer is NO.

Way to many of us have given the ultimate sacrifice so you are able to ask such a question.
 
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fskimospy

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As long as you are able to speak English, the answer is NO.

Way to many of us have given the ultimate sacrifice so you are able to ask such a question.
So get to thanking then, I'm a veteran of the Iraq War.

There's a line between appreciation and jingoism. I think America comes dangerously close to that line far too often.
 
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Am I the only person who thinks we thank our veterans quite enough?
Most likely not the only but, hopefully one of very, very few whom do not/can not understand what those men gave so that you have the freedoms you enjoy.
 

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As long as you are able to speak English, the answer is NO.

Way to many of us have given the ultimate sacrifice so you are able to ask such a question.
So get to thanking then, I'm a veteran of the Iraq War.

There's a line between appreciation and jingoism. I think America comes dangerously close to that line far too often.
I have friends, coworkers, and family members that appreciate what I have done. I thank and appreciate those vets that I know and have given all; those that are alive have also thanked myself.


Some have been in combat, some have served during conflicts and others have served. A few conflicts are unknown with the exception of those involved.


Our country should appreciate the vets - nothing is wrong with them demonstrating how much.
 

fskimospy

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Most likely not the only but, hopefully one of very, very few whom do not/can not understand what those men gave so that you have the freedoms you enjoy.
Pssh, I'm the 4th generation in a row of my family that has served in an American war. Every person from my great grandfather to myself has known someone who was killed in one of those wars, and while I don't know what my great grandfather would think, I do know that my father and grandfather both thought that America's gigantic boner for the military has always been a little weird. So trust me, I know better than most people what 'those men gave'.

I'm saying it's a good thing to appreciate others' sacrifice, I just think we take it too far sometimes.
 

fskimospy

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I have friends, coworkers, and family members that appreciate what I have done. I thank and appreciate those vets that I know and have given all; those that are alive have also thanked myself.


Some have been in combat, some have served during conflicts and others have served. A few conflicts are unknown with the exception of those involved.


Our country should appreciate the vets - nothing is wrong with them demonstrating how much.
Well you didn't really address what I wrote. I have no problem with people's heartfelt appreciation for sacrifice. America goes just a little farther than that however with the glorification of war and the military, to a level I feel slightly uncomfortable with.
 

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Pssh, I'm the 4th generation in a row of my family that has served in an American war. Every person from my great grandfather to myself has known someone who was killed in one of those wars, and while I don't know what my great grandfather would think, I do know that my father and grandfather both thought that America's gigantic boner for the military has always been a little weird. So trust me, I know better than most people what 'those men gave'.

I'm saying it's a good thing to appreciate others' sacrifice, I just think we take it too far sometimes.
Well, you think how you'd like and the majority of us will feel how we like.......I can trace my fathers families involvement with the US military back to the revolution and my mother had family fighting for both the US and Germany in both world wars. I myself am a veteran of Desert Storm via USAF 509th.

I can speak for myself, my father, my uncles and many other friends and family from local VFW's and Legions that we believe there is nothing wrong with the tributes paid by our country especially to those whom never returned home. The problem is, the world wars and all prior conflicts are becoming so far removed that the younger people do not understand what was sacrificed by those men to assure the freedoms we enjoy were preserved.
 

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Well you didn't really address what I wrote. I have no problem with people's heartfelt appreciation for sacrifice. America goes just a little farther than that however with the glorification of war and the military, to a level I feel slightly uncomfortable with.
Where do you feel the line should be drawn.

No acknowledgement
No business closing
No parades in their honor
No discounts from business as appreciation for serving
No government benefits as a result of serving

Our military has allowed us the freedoms - we are not looking forward to pursuing war, but acknowledging that our people have prevented this from living under a foriegn boot for over 200 years.
 

fskimospy

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Where do you feel the line should be drawn.

No acknowledgement
No business closing
No parades in their honor
No discounts from business as appreciation for serving
No government benefits as a result of serving

Our military has allowed us the freedoms - we are not looking forward to pursuing war, but acknowledging that our people have prevented this from living under a foriegn boot for over 200 years.
Well if you want to be like this about it I will spell it out.

Yes acknowledgement.
Yes business closing.
Yes parades in their honor.
Yes discounts from business as appreciation for serving.
Yes government benefits as a result of serving.
Yes allowing people to say negative things about our military without being attacked.
Yes to ending the glorification of war.

I could go on. Our country is far too militaristic/jingoistic for my liking and I wish we would change. War should be an unfortunate necessity, not a rock-n-roll, fireworks going off chance to kick ass. The fact that when I, a veteran myself, asked if maybe America should chill out a little bit on the whole thing, was met with statements like as long as I can speak English I can never thank vets enough, that I'm unable to understand sacrifice, all that crap speaks to this.
 

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As long as you are able to speak English, the answer is NO.

Way to many of us have given the ultimate sacrifice so you are able to ask such a question.
How has anything after ww2 secured our libertys? There were imperialist/resource wars or proxy backdoor crap.

WW1 WW2? 100%!

Iraq, Korea or Vietnam? Not so much. Although I do respect those who were drafted, but its not like there was a choice there.
 

Red Dawn

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How has anything after ww2 secured our libertys? There were imperialist/resource wars or proxy backdoor crap.

WW1 WW2? 100%!

Iraq, Korea or Vietnam? Not so much. Although I do respect those who were drafted, but its not like there was a choice there.
Well they had to fight the Iraqi's in the Gulf War to protect our supply of oil.
 

shiner

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Nice to see the usual dickheads show up to ruin what should have been a respectful thread showing our thanks to those who fought and died so that we could live the way we do today.

Good going guys. Bravo!
 

Steeplerot

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Nice to see the usual dickheads show up to ruin what should have been a respectful thread showing our thanks to those who fought and died so that we could live the way we do today.
So if you disagree lets hear an example of exactly how the imperialist wars since ww2 secured our freedoms. Armistice day is over btw.
 

shiner

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Disagree or not this is not the thread to be bringing this kind of crap into. If you want to have a discussion about that then start another thread.
 

Steeplerot

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Disagree or not this is not the thread to be bringing this kind of crap into. If you want to have a discussion about that then start another thread.
Funny how you guys get your panties all in a politically correct bunch when it comes to anyone questioning you guys jingoistic military worship. (the biggest big gubberment socialist wing of all lol.)

Sorry if I offend you kind rainbow brother *holds hangs to sing kumbaya to the beat of dying foreigners who happen to be born on strategic resources*
 

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Our company gave a standing ovation to all the vet employees yesterday.

As to our resident troll Steeplerot, just wait he'll start telling us all about how he served and all the black ops he participated in.
 
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Red Dawn

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Nice to see the usual dickheads show up to ruin what should have been a respectful thread showing our thanks to those who fought and died so that we could live the way we do today.

Good going guys. Bravo!
Yeah I think it's in bad form but it does demonstrate that those lives weren't given in vain, assholes have the right to be assholes thanks to our brave soldiers.
 
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