Veteran banned from daughter's school over religion

[thraashman]

Shhh...facts and rational thinking have no place here. What several posters have already missed is that in many cases the Islamic empires were significantly more tolerant of other religions than Christian Europe was at the time.

Are you trying to tell me that Mary I of England wasn't nicknamed "Bloody Mary" because under her reign everyone had a "bloody good time"? Well now I just don't know what to believe.

 

[DCal430]

Shhh...facts and rational thinking have no place here. What several posters have already missed is that in many cases the Islamic empires were significantly more tolerant of other religions than Christian Europe was at the time.

Sorry but that is just bogus. When test include crap like this:

"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?"

A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

It is a write of history and a violation of a first amendment. If I was a student in that class I would file a lawsuit for violation of my civil rights.

 

[brycejones]

Sorry but that is just bogus. When test include crap like this:
It is a write of history and a violation of a first amendment. If I was a student in that class I would file a lawsuit for violation of my civil rights.

You sound very educated.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry but that is just bogus. When test include crap like this:

It is a write of history and a violation of a first amendment. If I was a student in that class I would file a lawsuit for violation of my civil rights.

Seems that you and that poor girl's father would be best buddies in ignorance and bigotry.

"Students are required to pass world history as a graduation requirement, O’Malley-Simpson said. A piece of the world history course involves studying Middle Eastern culture and the formation of its empires — the Maryland State Board of Education has dictated that Middle East be part of the curriculum for many years, O’Malley-Simpson said.

At all three levels of the course, normal, honors and Advanced Placement, students study this material. Students must also enroll in government and U.S. history.

Policies exist that allow a child to complete an alternative assignment if the parents complain, O’Malley-Simpson said, but not in the case of world history.

“If parents object to a book that’s assigned, and the assignment is to gather certain reading skills, assigning them a different book doesn’t matter,” she said. “The student still gains the skills and knowledge. In the case of world history and other subjects, it’s part of the curriculum and it’s part of the standards you’re supposed to learn.”

Students learn aspects of other religions as well, O’Malley-Simpson said. When studying the Renaissance era, they are taught aspects of Christianity and the role it played in the reformation. When students learn about China and India, Hinduism and Buddhism are both discussed, she said.

Administration will not be discontinuing the assignment in dispute, O’Malley-Simpson said."


and

“Charles County Public Schools (CCPS) social studies curriculum adheres to the Maryland World History curricular standards that are a requirement for all counties in the state. These standards include an analysis of the elements of culture such as art, music, religion, government, social structure, education, beliefs and customs in societies throughout history,” Abell wrote on Facebook. “Regarding the study of history specifically, the standards also state that students should be able to analyze the customs and beliefs of world religions and their expansion, as well as how their establishment has impacted other areas of culture, and in certain times and regions, even caused conflict.”

http://www.somdnews.com/article/20141027/NEWS/141029296/1043&source=RSS&template=gazette

 

[DigDog]

thats such an easy assignment, i don't see why she should skip it.

Q:"list the benefits of islam"
A: none

there. done.

 

[thraashman]

thats such an easy assignment, i don't see why she should skip it.

Q:"list the benefits of islam"
A: none

there. done.

But that holds true for Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, probably others but I'm not super familiar with most other religions.

 

[ThinClient]

Sounds like the soldier doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

 

[lopri]

How this is even worthy of being picked up by a national News organization is beyond me. Does Fox have nothing better to run? What happened to Benghazi?

 

[CitizenKain]

Sorry but that is just bogus. When test include crap like this:



It is a write of history and a violation of a first amendment. If I was a student in that class I would file a lawsuit for violation of my civil rights.

This would a violation of your civil rights how? Saying, "I don't wanna learn nuttin about them a-rabs and their moon god" is not a valid excuse.

 

[Jaskalas]

thats such an easy assignment, i don't see why she should skip it.

Q:"list the benefits of islam"
A: none

there. done.

Benefits? It forced ignorant people to learn how to read.

 

[ThinClient]

Benefits? It forced ignorant people to learn how to read.

LOL

No it didn't.

The Qur'an is written very differently. It's not written in any specific poetic style or literary style or any common language style. It's very very different. Back in the day, the "ignorant" would simply be taught by their spiritual leaders. They didn't read the Qur'an for themselves and figure shit out on their own. They were spoon fed the contents of the Qur'an for a long, long, LONG time.

This is partly why there are sects of Islam. The dude who succeeded Mohammad in leadership was supposed to be this one guy, but ended up being this other guy. One group of people was happy that the Dude #2 became Mohammad's successor while another group were entirely outraged that Dude #1 didn't get the job. These two men taught the contents of the Qur'an differently, each to his own understanding. They had different points of view.

This is the foundation of the rift that created the Sunni and the Shia.

Literacy was often reserved for muslim society's elite or rich, much like learning to play music was often reserved for the rich or the nobles in european culture around the same time. Even then, you had to be male to be taught to read and write which is how it remains in many Sunni-controlled regions today.

Literacy is STILL a massive problem in the middle east and much of Africa. The Qur'an and Islam is doing NOTHING to change that.

Yes, it's true that several prominent players in the world of science and math were Muslim, but those are the cream of the crop of the rare few who were allowed to become that educated. I mean, shit. The muslim conquest of Egypt in the 600's is one of the likely causes for the destruction of the ancient world's greatest treasure of knowledge, the Library of Alexandria.

During Mohammad's reign of terror across southern Europe, one of his decrees was to burn book repositories because of 2 reasons: 1) if the book disagrees with what the Qur'an teaches, then it is full of lies and must be destroyed, or 2) if the book agrees with what the Qur'an teaches, burn it anyway because we already have the Qur'an to read directly from.

 

[sandorski]

How this is even worthy of being picked up by a national News organization is beyond me. Does Fox have nothing better to run? What happened to Benghazi?

Dude, War on Christianity season until the War on Christmas season can begin.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sounds like the soldier doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

open mouth insert foot......haha

 

[ThinClient]

open mouth insert foot......haha

Who.... the soldier? Or me?

 

[DigDog]

But that holds true for Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, probably others but I'm not super familiar with most other religions.

i never said otherwise. actually, i'm quite aware of the obscurantism that originated from the catholic church.

i am also aware that, historically speaking, there have been some benefits associated with the stability strong governments provide (with religions being governments, as it was back then; not that now it's so different, but still.), yet in many cases one could argue that without these, there would have been other types of improvements.

examples

alleged positive:the catholic church preserves books through the dark ages, leads to the printing press. maintained order after the fall of rome.

presumed negative:the dark ages where their own doing. they suppressed science. the reneissance would have happened anyway.


anyway, the point is that the kerfuffle happened because some girl didn't want to do a crappy politically-correct homework assignement, went and told her daddy, who got all pissy because islam guys shot at him and tried to kill him.

in my view, the daddy, instead of going to the school and trying to beat sense in their head, shoudl have taken his daughter by teh side, told her quite clearly that religion is always bad and the islam is the worst of the lot (well, maybe after scientolgy), and then to go and lie on her paper.

result? A+ for the kid and no ban for daddy.

 

[Matt1970]

Ahh, aren't you cute trying to turn the behavior of this jackass into an attack on the Obama administration.

Would you like a cookie?

I guess you missed the post he was responding to where Jimzz turned the behavior of this jackass into an attack on the Limbaugh and republicans.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I guess you missed the post he was responding to where Jimzz turned the behavior of this jackass into an attack on the Limbaugh and republicans.

You think it likely that this guy votes Democratic and watches Rachel Maddow?

 

[boomerang]

I guess you missed the post he was responding to where Jimzz turned the behavior of this jackass into an attack on the Limbaugh and republicans.

I typically don't respond to him based upon his posting history. First, he's a prog from another country that has a very inflated opinion of himself. Second, he's a faithful follower that thinks what he's told to think. In some circles he would be referred to as a useful idiot. Third, his fallback is slinging insults. His behavior is similar to the immigrants of old that when learning the English language would insert a lot of swear words to fill in the gaps. When he doesn't know what his reaction should be, he just starts disgorging insults. He didn't miss what I was responding to, he doesn't know how to respond to it.

After a while you realize you're dealing with a level of intelligence that isn't worth interacting with.

 

[TheVrolok]

'Murika. Amirite?

Should fix the thread title to be more accurate, "Raving lunatic banned from daughter's graduation over threats."

 

[brycejones]

I typically don't respond to him based upon his posting history. First, he's a prog from another country that has a very inflated opinion of himself. Second, he's a faithful follower that thinks what he's told to think. In some circles he would be referred to as a useful idiot. Third, his fallback is slinging insults. His behavior is similar to the immigrants of old that when learning the English language would insert a lot of swear words to fill in the gaps. When he doesn't know what his reaction should be, he just starts disgorging insults. He didn't miss what I was responding to, he doesn't know how to respond to it.

After a while you realize you're dealing with a level of intelligence that isn't worth interacting with.

The irony in this post is amazing.

 

[LightPattern]

I hope that is not the case.

He does indeed have the right to disagree with what is being taught at his child's school. And, he would have been better off being part of the PTA or something to collect his issues and present them. And, there wouldn't be any BS or question over whether or not he issued a threat.

I agree with the general thrust of this post.

"Made a threat" is generally interpreted as threatening violence. The school admin is knowingly implying this, when it is false.

"[Wood] was threatening to cause a disruption or possible disruption at the school," a district spokesperson said.

Sounds like he was threatening a protest.. which is within his rights, no?

Also sounds like the school administration was being vindictive as it's authority was in question. This is consistent with my experience of how school admins behave.

Non-Fox News source:
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/for...-from-daughters-school-over-101349990312.html

 

[DrPizza]

No problem with the school teaching facts and historical context about all the major religions, but this ... is BS and should not be allowed in public school.

More politically correct stupidity. Unless the guy actually made threats (he says he didn't, they say he did, he says he has witnesses etc), he should sue the school.

Actually, at one point, they WERE very tolerant of other religions. At that time, the Middle East was the center of learning.

 

[Jimzz]

I agree with the general thrust of this post.

"Made a threat" is generally interpreted as threatening violence. The school admin is knowingly implying this, when it is false.
Sounds like he was threatening a protest.. which is within his rights, no?

Also sounds like the school administration was being vindictive as it's authority was in question. This is consistent with my experience of how school admins behave.

Non-Fox News source:
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/for...-from-daughters-school-over-101349990312.html

His credibility is lacking when he admits he has said...

“I told her straight up ‘you could take that Muslim-loving piece of paper and shove it up your white [expletive],”

and

“bring a [expletive]storm down on them like they’ve never seen.”

Sorry but if someone keep calling and saying at least that then yes they should be bared from school property.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

"[Wood] was threatening to cause a disruption or possible disruption at the school," a district spokesperson said.

Sounds like he was threatening a protest.. which is within his rights, no?l

No, causing a disruption at school is not within his rights and more than likely would have resulted in his arrest for disorderly conduct. The school was well within their rights to bar him from school property.

Taking the matter to the school board and discussing the situation in a civil manner is within his rights.

 

[piasabird]

Reasonable intelligent people will never understand terrorism.