"Very, Unbelievable" High temp after installing Tuniq 120 Tower.

[Mozillauser]

I recently installed my new Tuniq 120 Tower on my asus P5B Deluxe board. I have a E6300 processor and it is overclocked at 2.8 since i had my stock cooling. When i recieved my Tower, no thermal grease was included :/, I thought.. is it really that important to have this applied for now?. I wanted to try my pc first, and then tommorow borrow some thermal grease from my friend.

While watching temps in bios, i was chocked. about 90 celcius!, and increasing. I thought, no way. this is not happening, its unrealistic for the motherboard to still run at that temp for the cpu. The cpu would not tolerate that temp aswell.

Have i done something wrong with the wiring on the motherboard, or is it simply thermal grease that really needs to be applied? This is a very newbie question. Hoping for a fast answer ;P. I might need to tighten the screws more. But i have to admit. The manual was the worst manual i've ever read, nothing was correct. I was also frustrated over that thermal grease was not included..

/Thanks a lot for your help

 

[Dravic]

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
I recently installed my new Tuniq 120 Tower on my asus P5B Deluxe board. I have a E6300 processor and it is overclocked at 2.8 since i had my stock cooling. When i recieved my Tower, no thermal grease was included :/, I thought.. is it really that important to have this applied for now?. I wanted to try my pc first, and then tommorow borrow some thermal grease from my friend.

While watching temps in bios, i was chocked. about 90 celcius!, and increasing. I thought, no way. this is not happening, its unrealistic for the motherboard to still run at that temp for the cpu. The cpu would not tolerate that temp aswell.

Have i done something wrong with the wiring on the motherboard, or is it simply thermal grease that really needs to be applied? This is a very newbie question. Hoping for a fast answer ;P. I might need to tighten the screws more. But i have to admit. The manual was the worst manual i've ever read, nothing was correct. I was also frustrated over that thermal grease was not included..

/Thanks a lot for your help

You are very lucky that you ar using a current geberation CPU, the archives are littered with post like yours about dead CPU's. thermal grease isnt a suggestion, it is an intergral part of the heat transfer between the CPU and HSF. hopefully the cpu throttled or the motherboard shutdown before any real damage was done.

 

[Mozillauser]

So i am unlucky, that would be the more exact word. because i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease, But well. The manual does not tell much. For example. How much should i tighten the screws?. I would not want to push them to hard, because then components on my board would split in half. The manual also says that i should fit everything in place and then apply the thermal grease, thats however impossible ;P. If copper are touching copper and the fan level is set to maximum, what could be the problem?. Perhaps the motherboard just show me wrong tempratures, right now, i wont start my computer until i can find out what is wrong.

 

[aggressor]

You aren't listening here. You NEED thermal paste for proper heat transfer. I don't know why you would ignore the directions and then wonder what's wrong.

I don't know much about the Tuniq 120 installation, but in general, heatsinks should be firmly and securely screwed in. If you can wiggle it around, it's too loose.

 

[Mozillauser]

Im sorry. "thermal grease isnt a suggestion, it is an intergral part of the heat transfer between the CPU and HSF", im very tired. I thought he actually meant that i would not consider thermal grease as the problem, Im not 100% in reading and understanding the English language.

Ill try apply thermal grease tommorow. I did not actually know that thermal grease did so much of the whole cooling process.
Thanks for the replies, more recomendations and sollutions are very welcome.

thanks.

 

[SergeC]

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease

And youre incredibly fortunate you dodn't destroy your CPU in the process.

You didn't follow the manual at all, and lucky for you, modern CPUs have thermal controls.

 

[Mozillauser]

Originally posted by: aggressor
You aren't listening here. You NEED thermal paste for proper heat transfer

Just read that its only recomended, but it is not usually needed (it lower temps with 5-10). So this is not the problem, if you read my thread, but thanks for trying to help me out.

 

[Mozillauser]

Originally posted by: SergeC

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease

And youre incredibly fortunate you dodn't destroy your CPU in the process.

You didn't follow the manual at all, and lucky for you, modern CPUs have thermal controls.

Thats because i've read that its not needed for a system to function, it decreases tempraturs with about 10 celcius. With Tower 120 cooler i should definetly not reach that high tempratures, trust me. There must be something else thats wrong.

 

[aggressor]

You got bad advice from somebody, because thermal paste isn't just 'recommended', It's REQUIRED for all set ups. The only way you wouldn't need thermal paste is if the two surfaces were completely even, level, and had no microscopic defects, which will never happen. Nobody here is going to agree with you on that, period.

I'm now even more suspicious about how you mounted the heatsink itself. It looks like the Tuniq has spring loaded thumb screws, so you should manually tighten them until you can't any more, but only AFTER you put thermal paste on.

 

[Skeeedunt]

Originally posted by: Mozillauser

Originally posted by: SergeC

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease

And youre incredibly fortunate you dodn't destroy your CPU in the process.

You didn't follow the manual at all, and lucky for you, modern CPUs have thermal controls.

Thats because i've read that its not needed for a system to function, it decreases tempraturs with about 10 celcius. With Tower 120 cooler i should definetly not reach that high tempratures, trust me. There must be something else thats wrong.

You probably read that high quality thermal compound lowers temperatures versus the included mediocre thermal grease. You always need something on there.

 

[Baked]

LMAO, that's like running a brand new car w/o putting motor oil in the engine. good game man.

So the tuniq doesn't come w/ thermal grease? Should've bought a Thermalright Ultra-120. Large tube of quality thermal grease is included with every heatsink you buy.

 

[Brunnis]

Running an old P3 or AthlonXP, that didn't have heatspreaders, without thermal paste could probably work. I've heard of people trying it and the temps weren't that bad. The heatspreaders on newer CPUs, however, often don't seem to be totally flat. So, without thermal paste you could end up with a fairly bad contact and very high temps as a result.

 

[Mozillauser]

ok thanks all of you, and thanks agressor for telling me the facts. I read an old faq about thermal paste and processors, feel like an idiot. I've read some reviews and i now know how to do it the right way, and this time with thermal paste.

The tuniq tower usually comes with thermal paste, however mine did not. Im buying something good tommorow

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt

Originally posted by: Mozillauser

Originally posted by: SergeC

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease

And youre incredibly fortunate you dodn't destroy your CPU in the process.

You didn't follow the manual at all, and lucky for you, modern CPUs have thermal controls.

Thats because i've read that its not needed for a system to function, it decreases tempraturs with about 10 celcius. With Tower 120 cooler i should definetly not reach that high tempratures, trust me. There must be something else thats wrong.

You probably read that high quality thermal compound lowers temperatures versus the included mediocre thermal grease. You always need something on there.

I have many heatsinks including the Tuniq and the thermal paste that comes with those heatsinks is of a real good quality!!
Almost all top quality heatsinks at least those i have used...which includes...the Scythe Ninja and the Zalman 9500 as well as the XP 120 the XP90 copper and the Ultra 120 and the Tuniq tower all come with real good quality thermal paste!!

None of the top quality companies would dare ship a heatsink with inferior thermal paste!!

It is total misinformation to believe that all thermal pastes that ship with other components are vastly inferior to say the AS products! That just is not so!!

AS5 as well as other thermal pastes are not any better compared to the thermal paste that ships with the Zalman products or the scythe products or the ThermalRight or the Tuniq products!!

It is a total waste of time and money to use thermal paste other than what is included with the above products!!

 

[markymoo]

thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

 

[Skeeedunt]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I have many heatsinks including the Tuniq and the thermal paste that comes with those heatsinks is of a real good quality!!
Almost all top quality heatsinks at least those i have used...which includes...the Scythe Ninja and the Zalman 9500 as well as the XP 120 the XP90 copper and the Ultra 120 and the Tuniq tower all come with real good quality thermal paste!!

None of the top quality companies would dare ship a heatsink with inferior thermal paste!!

It is total misinformation to believe that all thermal pastes that ship with other components are vastly inferior to say the AS products! That just is not so!!

AS5 as well as other thermal pastes are not any better compared to the thermal paste that ships with the Zalman products or the scythe products or the ThermalRight or the Tuniq products!!

It is a total waste of time and money to use thermal paste other than what is included with the above products!!

haha... sorry, I'm sure you're correct.

I only said that in an attempt to clarify the point I was making.

I'm willing to accept that some included thermal grease is just fine

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt

Originally posted by: Mozillauser

Originally posted by: SergeC

Originally posted by: Mozillauser
i followed the manual just as it says except thermal grease

And youre incredibly fortunate you dodn't destroy your CPU in the process.

You didn't follow the manual at all, and lucky for you, modern CPUs have thermal controls.

Thats because i've read that its not needed for a system to function, it decreases tempraturs with about 10 celcius. With Tower 120 cooler i should definetly not reach that high tempratures, trust me. There must be something else thats wrong.

You probably read that high quality thermal compound lowers temperatures versus the included mediocre thermal grease. You always need something on there.

I have many heatsinks including the Tuniq and the thermal paste that comes with those heatsinks is of a real good quality!!
Almost all top quality heatsinks at least those i have used...which includes...the Scythe Ninja and the Zalman 9500 as well as the XP 120 the XP90 copper and the Ultra 120 and the Tuniq tower all come with real good quality thermal paste!!

None of the top quality companies would dare ship a heatsink with inferior thermal paste!!

It is total misinformation to believe that all thermal pastes that ship with other components are vastly inferior to say the AS products! That just is not so!!

AS5 as well as other thermal pastes are not any better compared to the thermal paste that ships with the Zalman products or the scythe products or the ThermalRight or the Tuniq products!!

It is a total waste of time and money to use thermal paste other than what is included with the above products!!

Wrong just wrong...AS5 has a more pure silver content than the generic "paste" that you get with a heatsink. It is a better conductor than the usual crap. Don't give me that BS about "it's all the same" when there are various sites that test As5 against the other stuff and the results speak for themselves. You get what you pay for, and free isn't always good.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: markymoo
thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

lol yeah tell me about it!
You don't deserve it! Give it to me!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: markymoo
thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: markymoo
thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

What's even funnier (to me, at least) is that he's now arguing when he's told that he needs thermal paste.:shocked:

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Wrong just wrong...AS5 has a more pure silver content than the generic "paste" that you get with a heatsink. It is a better conductor than the usual crap.

Wrong, just wrong. It all depends on which thermal compound they come with. This: Arctic Cooling MX-1, which comes already applied on all Arctic Cooling heatsinks, is considerably better than anything that Arctic Silver makes.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: markymoo
thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

What's even funnier (to me, at least) is that he's now arguing when he's told that he needs thermal paste.:shocked:

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Wrong just wrong...AS5 has a more pure silver content than the generic "paste" that you get with a heatsink. It is a better conductor than the usual crap.

Wrong, just wrong. It all depends on which thermal compound they come with. This: Arctic Cooling MX-1, which comes already applied on all Arctic Cooling heatsinks, is considerably better than anything that Arctic Silver makes.

Pfft, go read some reviews in closed testing that puts AS5 against others. AS5 was on top all the time. Although the difference was small, there was a difference in favor of AS5.

 

[customcoms]

And that tube you linked to happens to look IDENTICAL to the AS5 tubing except for the label....

 

[aka1nas]

We had some pentium D machines at work that were running XP-90Cs with the included compound. AS5 dropped the load temps by about 20C.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: customcoms
And that tube you linked to happens to look IDENTICAL to the AS5 tubing except for the label....

It's nothing like AS5. It cools better, I've tried both. Scythe recommends it: http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/103/actcmx1_detail.html

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: markymoo
thats so funny everybody wants a tuniq tower and they sold out and you got one and running it without any thermal paste lmao!!!

What's even funnier (to me, at least) is that he's now arguing when he's told that he needs thermal paste.:shocked:

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Wrong just wrong...AS5 has a more pure silver content than the generic "paste" that you get with a heatsink. It is a better conductor than the usual crap.

Wrong, just wrong. It all depends on which thermal compound they come with. This: Arctic Cooling MX-1, which comes already applied on all Arctic Cooling heatsinks, is considerably better than anything that Arctic Silver makes.

Pfft, go read some reviews in closed testing that puts AS5 against others. AS5 was on top all the time. Although the difference was small, there was a difference in favor of AS5.

I don`t know if your just argumrntative by nature...but you obviously haven`t donw any tests using thermal the thermal pastes that ship with heatsink verses AS5....
I have compard AS5 to the thermal paste that ships with the Zalman 9500 and the the Scythe Ninja as well as the ThermalRight XP-120.....there was No discernable difference even after allowing for the burn in of the AS5.

The problem with all your arguments cmdrdredd; is they are based on supposed articles that you have read that have nothing to do with first hand experience using the thermal pasts or the heatsinks.

if you went back 6 months or more you would see thread after thread saying there was no discernable difference by many many proplr on these forums.

You would also find thread after thread saying why do i get lousy temperatures from the Zalman 9500....or from the Ninja or from the Tuniq Tower and I get better temps from various other heatsinks.....
Again it has to do with the fact the even though reviews are a good tool for making a purchase; they are no substitute for first hand experience.

There are so many variables from computer to computer there truly can be no BEST heatsink and again AS5 is way over rated......

I know its hard to admit your wrong but its good for the soul to do that once in a while!!