Very Satisfying. IAF catches huge ISIS convoy out in the open...

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Starbuck1975

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I appear to be in the minority on this. I don't think you need to take joy in killing the enemy in order to kill them. But don't get me wrong, this is the only way to deal with them.
I understand where you are coming from. It is dangerous to dehumanize the enemy. How many young men, brainwashed into a militant belief system because they didn't know any better, died in that convoy. The only ISIS deaths I cheer are the senior leaders and influencers feeding the monster. That being said, I think it's ok to celebrate an ISIS defeat without relishing the body count.
 

MongGrel

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Have you gone insane?
My stance is that I do not take joy at the death of any person. That is just a fact and I'm sorry you find it so objectionable to state it. You apparently think I don't really believe this. I don't care if you believe it.
You've gone completely insane.

My stance has always been if it's Daesh and in the open, I'd be more than happy to see a BUFF fly over and nuke it.

You don't know me very well.
 

KK

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My stance has always been if it's Daesh and in the open, I'd be more than happy to see a BUFF fly over and nuke it.

You don't know me very well.

Hey, did you get a warning for that post supporting a nuke. Used to be back in the day that was not tolerated. I think I was warned on at least one occasion, just was curious if things have changed.
 

dawp

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Jul 2, 2005
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No matter how evil these people are I can't bring myself to feel joy that they have been killed.

Considering what they've done to the people under their rule i have a hard time feeling sorry for them. I'm not going to gloat but fuck 'em.
 

MajinCry

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Rapists, murderers, sex slavers and those that support 'em, got killed.

Good. Let's have more of that. Dinnae give a fuck if they're doing it because their religion says tae do it; get up to monstrous shite, an' ya deserve ta get blown up into a thousand charred pieces o' long pig.
 

Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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I am wondering why this does not happen everyday. ISIS should not be able to move around at all. Drones have infrared and can monitor 24/7. See a convoy and send in some brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.

Don't worry, once we get that tech on some T-600's our wars will practically fight themselves. :)
 

guachi

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They were caught out in the open and then we yelled the magic phrase "Islamic Extremism" at them and they died, right?
 

Jaskalas

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No matter how evil these people are I can't bring myself to feel joy that they have been killed.

They are warriors on a battlefield and they are hellbent to bring genocide to the planet as far as they can reach.
We are all alive and free today because men like them felt the wrath of honorable men like our soldiers.
The job isn't over, I call that slaughter a good start.

ISIS can surrender if they don't want to meet such fate.
 

Jaskalas

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I must still be salty over memories of this little gem of a topic.
I still remember feeling like it had broader support, but I do occasionally run into the notion that being attacked, aka "suckering us in", is something ISIS wants. As if we cannot or should not defeat them militarily. "Can't kill an idea". Or "They aren't a state".

Maybe it just triggers me to confront this notion, cause it really sticks with me. They mobilize, we kill them. It works.

What Daesh (ISIL/ISIS/IS) Really Wants (source: The Atlantic)
But it does reinforce my belief that fighting these guys with weapons is a mistake...
If we keep our response to these guys to a minimum I think they will implode and become just another crazy cult.
...a strategy of containment (not wholesale attack)
His tangent about how theoretically we could just annihilate their land holdings and see if that persuades some or all of them that the caliphate is dead, was not advocacy. That seems risky and expensive and he is NOT advocating that because it could backfire by drawing more crazies and feeding into their mythology.

I think he is basically advocating that we let them self-destruct. Basically a very large scale version of "let's ignore the internet troll instead of feeding it and paying attention to it." I think that is along the right track.
True which is why I believe you can't fight an ideology like this with weapons.
I don't think many want to see civilians get hurt, but Western intervention is seen as illegitimate and serves as propaganda to garner new recruits.
Did you read the article? Your proposal would put you on ISIS's man of the year poster! They would love nothing more than for the US to do what you want, it would be, in their minds, the prophecy coming true. Why would I help legitimize their cause?

What ISIS Really Wants

Bombing does nothing when the ideology will just as quickly replace them. Outside of death and physically taking land from the caliphate, there is nothing we can do will appease them so the only way for peace is to change the ideology.
They want a war against our two ideologies, our religions.
ISIS wants American troops back "in" the middle east for this war or for them what is their Armageddon.
I think Obama realizes this and is probably the only one not falling for this tactic.

Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris


My position is this, what has happened is France is a tragedy. I really have no words because its just that sad. But I don't think because 160+ people have died we need to send ground troops into the mideast to try and get rid of the problem.

1. It wont work
 

kage69

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I must still be salty over memories of this little gem of a topic.
I still remember feeling like it had broader support, but I do occasionally run into the notion that being attacked, aka "suckering us in", is something ISIS wants. As if we cannot or should not defeat them militarily. "Can't kill an idea". Or "They aren't a state".

Maybe it just triggers me to confront this notion, cause it really sticks with me. They mobilize, we kill them. It works.

No worries, plenty of salt over here too. ;)

There probably are Dems out there that conflate the act of checking off an enemy's wishlist (like say, invading and occupying a poor muslim country) with the utility of direct "in theater tactics," I just haven't heard any anywhere (let alone a Dem of note) say so. And like I said, feel free to ignore/mock them if they're encountered.

On the battlefield, I think you will find broad bipartisan support for pummeling an enemy in the open. No matter who you vote for, we're all Americans and we all understand that for every one of those bastards you put down you end a stream of future violence directed at fellow Americans.

Strategically, currently, and to which I suspect you may be recollecting, there is a debate in Washington between DoD brass and company men on how to proceed in Syria. Pentagon thinks we can do what needs to be done with Assad in power, possibly even working with the Russians and Iran in the process. CIA says we will not be able to effectively combat an ideology that thrives in instability while Syria is unstable. They maintain applying various types of assistance to a power vacuum with this many state and non-state actors involved will yield marginal results at best, and so far I feel they have been proven correct.

Killing does work, but not in all situations. IMO anyone who says it always works should be ignored the same as a person who says it never works. The utility of force is real, but even tools wear out over time. Case in point, Columbia and the FARC. That shit has been going on since Johnson was in office. The Dutch fought Spain for what, 80 years? Eventually the people doing the fighting realize killing isn't fixing the situation.
 
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buckshot24

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They are warriors on a battlefield and they are hellbent to bring genocide to the planet as far as they can reach.
We are all alive and free today because men like them felt the wrath of honorable men like our soldiers.
The job isn't over, I call that slaughter a good start.

ISIS can surrender if they don't want to meet such fate.
I agree 100%, I'm just don't get all happy when a bunch of people lose their lives. These people have been deceived their whole lives but there isn't any other way to deal with them at this point.