Very Good AGP Card at Nice Price

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v8envy

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Originally posted by: ariafrost
I think for about $30 less (-20%) you can get a Radeon X1600 Pro which also has 12 pixel pipelines and 500/800 clocks versus 475/900 on the X800GTO. It also is newer-gen and comes with AVIVO to boot. Only GDDR2, but for running at stock/mild OCing, it'll get the job done.


Common misconception. The X1600, whether Pro or XT is a 4 pipe card in the same way the X1900XT is a 16 pipe card. In fact, it's exactly 1/4 of a X1900XT, running at a lower clock. It's a 4 pipe card that happens to be as fast as a 12 pipe card on pixel shader operations, so does really well on 3dmark05/06 and in some game scenarios (heavy pixel shader load, no FSAA, no high detail textures)

Unless you're willing to call the X1900XT a 48 pipe card, you really shouldn't consider the 1600 a 12 pipe card. It has 12 pixel shaders, but only 4 of the rest of the pipeline.

The 128 bit memory bus is pretty lackluster, doubly so combined with the slow ram on the Pro version (the only one you can get in AGP). The bandwidth of 900 mhz at 128 bits is exactly equivalent to 450 mhz at 256 bits (and the X800 is a 256 bit interface to its ram). As Intel and AMD have demonstrated, there's more to the complete picture than just an out of context mhz number.

This is not to say the X1600Pro is a bad budget card, but it really doesn't compare to a 'mainstream' performer like the X800GTO performance wise. SM3.0 won't do you too much good on a budget level graphics card. I'd rather have a similar performing 6600GT at the $100 pricepoint to avoid ATI drivers, but to each their own.

 

Zap

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Originally posted by: QueZart
How Big a difference is the 256mb Of memory?

In was just looking at this x800 GTo with 128mb for 115 - 20 $95 after rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131425

Two differences.

One, the card listed in the OP is an AGP and your link is to a PCI-E card.

Two, I've noticed that with the Radeon X800 series (X800, X800GT, X800GTO) the 128MB versions have much slower clocked memory usually at 700MHz instead of 980MHz.
 

PhlashFoto

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Hmm, I have an Asus 9800XT 256MB card. I am wondering if I should upgrade to this...... ???
 

TitanDiddly

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Right now, I'm gaming on my old-tech system, which has a 9800 Pro. How much better is this card? Is it $160 better? Would it be a nice "life extending" upgrade to this rig?

Abit NF7-S (NForce2)
2.2GHz AthlonXP
1GB Ram
9800 Pro

Get a used mobo and ~3200 64, with AGP slot. Win. $150.
 

MichaelD

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After much researching about the best upgrade path for my aging rig, I purchased one. :) It was the cheapest, safe way to go.

I looked into a used A64/mobo, but I'm very hesitant buying any used computer parts from anyone I don't know. I know how I beat the crap out of my stuff...so who knows what YOU do with YOURS, you know? :Q

So, we'll see how it works out. Should be a nice upgrade. The 9800 can replace the POS 4200Ti in HTPC.
 

D-Man

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I have had in the last three weeks the following cards in my computer.

9800 Pro
6600 256 Memory
6600 GT 128 Memory
X800 Pro

My personal opinion is 9800 Pro to 6600/256 little better performance at higher end settings only and I did not like the Video Quality on the 6600 as opposed to the 9800 pro.

6600gt better then the 9800 and 6600 better frame rates at higher settings but personally I liked the 9800 Pro Image quality again.

X800 Pro to me is the best of all the above I have decided to keep my P4 2.8 1M 800 FSB @3.5 for a bit longer using Mushkin Special 222 on a P4P800E Deluxe.

I sold the 9800 Pro for $85 and grabbed a used X800 pro about 3 weeks ago for about $148 and considered the additional $63 a good reasonable upgrade for this machine. I thought about an Opty 144 or 146 and a new board but in my family I have 3 more machines with P4P800E boards and I just did not want to spend the additional cash.

I personally would not spend much more than $80 on an AGP Card upgrade on my system as it has passed its end of life as a good dollar resellable machine. I did however find a good home for my 9800 pro at a decent selling price for me and the X800 pro did give me a good bang for the buck upgrade on this machine. The ATI card to me and this is my personal opinion was more pleasing to My eye the 6600GT was a fine card and it looked and played just fine and I really do not want to get in the Ford and Chevy debate.

This is a long winded summary and I would bet there are lots of people that went my route and used a 6800Gt and are very pleased with what they did. Good Luck
 

MichaelD

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Thanks for your detailed post, D-Man. I have a good feeling about this upgrade. The rest of the system performs quite well (it could use another GB of memory...maybe later) but I think this new videocard will be the kick in the pants it needs to last me another year.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Adam8281
Originally posted by: cubeless
tom's charts...

Unless I'm totally missing something, that review doesn't have this card. It has the X800XT, X800XL, and X800 Pro, but not the X800GTO

Isn't the X800 Pro 12 pipes? That is the closest to the X800GTO in architecture, just at a higher clock speed.

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly
Get a used mobo and ~3200 64, with AGP slot. Win. $150.

Or get a new combo from Fry's for $120 with A64 3000+ and ECS NFORCE3-A for an easy overclock to 2.5GHz.
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: Zap

Or get a new combo from Fry's for $120 with A64 3000+ and ECS NFORCE3-A for an easy overclock to 2.5GHz.


Wow...I will have to look into that. That would be a completely new rig for under $300. I could deal with that. (Reusing memory, HD, CDRs, etc, etc of course)

A check of Frys.com brings up a rather crappy webpage with no store. Do they not sell online? Forgive me; never seen a Fry's before. Heard of'em though.
 

MichaelD

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Hi all,

I'm reporting back to let you know what I think of this card.

I received it from NE in perfect shape. Card was BNIB, sealed up. Full retail box; 3-connector Molex cable, DVI/VGA adapter, driver disc, SVideo and RCA adapter cables, etc.

I went from a 9800 to this card. Though I followed proper hardware swap out procedure, I did encounter some probs and had to use Driver Cleaner to completely remove all ATI software. After a reload of .NET and the latest Catalyst drivers, all was well. VERY well. :)

This is my mid-level system; my main one is in storage right now. My image quality using the DVI connector is greatly improved over the 9800. Smaller fonts are more legible and the display is MUCH brighter. Games look twice as good, but the proof is in the benchmarks. ;)

As I said, it's a "midlevel" old-tech system. Specs are (only the videocard changed):

Abit NF7-S V2
AthlonXP 2.2GHz (200FSB)
1GB PC3200 (dual channel)
X800GTO
Single 80GB IDE HD
Antec Trupower 480
Blah, blah, floppy, blah

With 9800

3DM03 4655
3DM05 2476
3DM06 864 (How sad is that?)
Aquamark 40887

With X800GTO

3DM03 9427
3DM05 4650
3DM06 1816 (Hey, it's almost 2000!)
Aquamark 52980


The bmarks show a big improvement, but the real improvement really is in the games. Colors are much more vibrant, little things in the games like rocks, buttons and such, are a lot clearer looking.

Is the card $155 better than the 9800? Dunno. Can't say yet. But overall I'm very happy happy with this purchase. Another wallet draining good buy, courtesy of Anandtech Hot Deals! :beer::D
 

hansmuff

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Originally posted by: cmetz
What an X1600 Pro doesn't have is a 2D engine. If you're not running Windows, you will find that very painful. [...]

That is intriguing. I googled but could not find information on confirmation of this. Would you happen to have a link?
The closest I could find was a tidbit saying that the X1xxx series doesn't have a Radeon 2D core. That could mean it has a new 2D core.
Any further information would be appreciated, thanks.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: MichaelD

As I said, it's a "midlevel" old-tech system. Specs are (only the videocard changed):

Abit NF7-S V2
AthlonXP 2.2GHz (200FSB)
1GB PC3200 (dual channel)
X800GTO
Single 80GB IDE HD
Antec Trupower 480
Blah, blah, floppy, blah

With 9800

3DM03 4655
3DM05 2476
3DM06 864 (How sad is that?)
Aquamark 40887

With X800GTO

3DM03 9427
3DM05 4650
3DM06 1816 (Hey, it's almost 2000!)
Aquamark 52980


The bmarks show a big improvement, but the real improvement really is in the games. Colors are much more vibrant, little things in the games like rocks, buttons and such, are a lot clearer looking.

Is the card $155 better than the 9800? Dunno. Can't say yet. But overall I'm very happy happy with this purchase. Another wallet draining good buy, courtesy of Anandtech Hot Deals! :beer::D

Awesome review, thanks. :thumbsup: I have a nearly-identical system, only with a 9600XT, and was looking for one more AGP upgrade before the Big Upgrade. This sounds like it may be worth it.

Have you benched any games? My main reason for wanting the upgrade is that I went from a 17" CRT at 1024x768 for most games, to a wide-screen LCD with a native res of 1440x900. I love the native res, but some games just don't perform quite well enough any more. :(
 

MichaelD

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Jan 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: MichaelD

As I said, it's a "midlevel" old-tech system. Specs are (only the videocard changed):

Abit NF7-S V2
AthlonXP 2.2GHz (200FSB)
1GB PC3200 (dual channel)
X800GTO
Single 80GB IDE HD
Antec Trupower 480
Blah, blah, floppy, blah

With 9800

3DM03 4655
3DM05 2476
3DM06 864 (How sad is that?)
Aquamark 40887

With X800GTO

3DM03 9427
3DM05 4650
3DM06 1816 (Hey, it's almost 2000!)
Aquamark 52980


The bmarks show a big improvement, but the real improvement really is in the games. Colors are much more vibrant, little things in the games like rocks, buttons and such, are a lot clearer looking.

Is the card $155 better than the 9800? Dunno. Can't say yet. But overall I'm very happy happy with this purchase. Another wallet draining good buy, courtesy of Anandtech Hot Deals! :beer::D

Awesome review, thanks. :thumbsup: I have a nearly-identical system, only with a 9600XT, and was looking for one more AGP upgrade before the Big Upgrade. This sounds like it may be worth it.

Have you benched any games? My main reason for wanting the upgrade is that I went from a 17" CRT at 1024x768 for most games, to a wide-screen LCD with a native res of 1440x900. I love the native res, but some games just don't perform quite well enough any more. :(

Thanks! :) No; I've not benched any games...I really don't know how. :eek: I'm a huge gamer, but I just play them...and judge how they look. I have UT2004 loaded up and play it at 1280x1024. I can give you average FPS if you tell me what map (DM) to use.

Or, if you like, I'll DL and run a benchie for you. The card really is nice. I had software issues, but that may have been just me. Once I cleaned everything out and reloaded drivers it was fantastic!
 

nataku00

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Hopefully Newegg gets more of these in. I'm not quite ready to jump to dual core and pci-e either for the games I play so this seems like a worthwhile upgrade to extend my current system's life. Plenty of good info in this thread.
 

cKGunslinger

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Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: MichaelD

Thanks! :) No; I've not benched any games...I really don't know how. :eek: I'm a huge gamer, but I just play them...and judge how they look. I have UT2004 loaded up and play it at 1280x1024. I can give you average FPS if you tell me what map (DM) to use.

Or, if you like, I'll DL and run a benchie for you. The card really is nice. I had software issues, but that may have been just me. Once I cleaned everything out and reloaded drivers it was fantastic!
In all honestly, as much as I like number-crunching, I just like to know if games "feel" faster or smoother. I don't run FPS benchmarks when I'm playing. :D