Very confused about Conroe vs X2

[slatr]

I need the fastest dual-core cpu I can get for about 250-400 dollars for Lightwave 3d.

I have never been more out of the loop on processors. It appears from what I have seen so far, that Conroe is faster at Floating Point and SSE...

It would certainly be nice if I could get a benchmark volunteer when someone gets their grubbies on a conroe chip.

My current CPUS , p4 2.4c at 3ghz and Opteron 148 at 2.86 ghz.

I would appreciate any links/advice and if you have a link I missed concerning a lightwave/conroe benchmark.. even better!

 

[OSX]

Conroe. Outperforms every X2.

 

[MrRamon]

2nd Conroe

 

[Bobthelost]

Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

 

[kknd1967]

many are not intel controlled. many are real application performance. and your claim on artificial benchs is artificial too It has been shown even intel controlled benchmarks are not far from independent benchmarks.

you need more research

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

 

[Makaveli]

ya and someone tell me what the obsession is with Those XS guys and super Pi times. like if u get a 5 second pi time is everyone suppose to just all of a sudden bow down?

I guess I never got caught up in all this E-penis nonsense.

 

[dguy6789]

Conroe appears to be moderately faster than current AMD processors. There are only two things I can see that would make someone with logic not get a Core 2 Duo for their next system. If the rumors are true, there will be some massive price drops from AMD at the launch of Core 2 Duo. If true, these will be significant enough to make the performance difference between Core 2 Duo and Athlon 64 X2 mean absolutely nothing. The other possibility; if AMD comes out with something that is competitive performance wise and price wise with Core 2 Duo.

 

[Makaveli]

i'm pretty sure everyone knows AMD doesn't have an answer for this right away. So intel and there Core2 will be king until then. (yes I said it the scores are real OMGWTFBBQ)

 

[Furen]

Lightwave has always been kind to AMD's K8s so while Conroe will, most likely, beat AMD on it the difference may be pretty slim. If you can afford to wait for the 2+ months 'till Conroe's release (I'd guess more if you dont plan on buying from an OEM) then just wait 'till some reputable website benchmarks Conroe in lightwave.

 

[secretanchitman]

an intel core 2 duo E6600 (2.4Ghz) which costs around $300 bucks would fit your budget.

or if you cant wait or dont want intel, get an X2/opteron dual-core...though im not too sure if it would be faster at sse and floating point...

OR you can wait for core 2 duo and the very next day for the amd price cuts!

 

[JumpingJack]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

This is odd, I thought AMDs strength was game based benches. So here are a few "independent" benches, outside the Intel realm of influence:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771

We're happy to report that we gathered enough parts to build two systems while in Taiwan for Computex. We managed to acquire a Socket-AM2 motherboard equipped with an Athlon 64 FX-62 and a P965 motherboard equipped with a Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz at our hotel, along with two sets of 2x1GB of DDR2-800 (only 5-5-5-12 modules though), a pair of Hitachi 7K250 SATA hard drives, and two NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTXes (one for each system) - it helps that all the major players have offices in Taiwan. Of course we happened to pack some power supplies, monitors, keyboards and mice in our carry-on luggage, as well as copies of Windows XP, Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2, SYSMark 2004 and Winstone 2004.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/b...ore_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Some websites posted benchmark results from a pre-built test system by Intel in Europe, which they really didn't have much control over. On the other hand, we tested using a retail Intel 965P motherboard from Gigabyte, the 965P-DQ6 to be exact, without any interference from either Intel or Gigabyte. We were left on our own to build the system from scratch, install all of our own software, use our own benchmarking demos - just as we would in our own labs - it's a truly independent set of benchmark numbers on a system you will be able to buy once Intel release their processors to the market.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

We've managed to run a complete set of benchmarks for both Conroe CPUs in our own lab environment guaranteed free of bias and we've compared their performance to the Presler Extreme Edition 965 and, uniquely, also to today's newcomer from AMD, the Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2.

Here are some that had extended time on Intel provided systems, many with multimedia benches as well:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976430,00.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_conroe_benchmarks/

The data is mounting up, it would appear that the IDF benches in March were legit and we can expect a pretty decent product from Intel this go round.

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: Makaveli
ya and someone tell me what the obsession is with Those XS guys and super Pi times. like if u get a 5 second pi time is everyone suppose to just all of a sudden bow down?

I guess I never got caught up in all this E-penis nonsense.

Finally, someone who has a brain over this OCing BS.

 

[thewilson]

Originally posted by: JumpingJack

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

This is odd, I thought AMDs strength was game based benches. So here are a few "independent" benches, outside the Intel realm of influence:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771

We're happy to report that we gathered enough parts to build two systems while in Taiwan for Computex. We managed to acquire a Socket-AM2 motherboard equipped with an Athlon 64 FX-62 and a P965 motherboard equipped with a Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz at our hotel, along with two sets of 2x1GB of DDR2-800 (only 5-5-5-12 modules though), a pair of Hitachi 7K250 SATA hard drives, and two NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTXes (one for each system) - it helps that all the major players have offices in Taiwan. Of course we happened to pack some power supplies, monitors, keyboards and mice in our carry-on luggage, as well as copies of Windows XP, Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2, SYSMark 2004 and Winstone 2004.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/b...ore_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Some websites posted benchmark results from a pre-built test system by Intel in Europe, which they really didn't have much control over. On the other hand, we tested using a retail Intel 965P motherboard from Gigabyte, the 965P-DQ6 to be exact, without any interference from either Intel or Gigabyte. We were left on our own to build the system from scratch, install all of our own software, use our own benchmarking demos - just as we would in our own labs - it's a truly independent set of benchmark numbers on a system you will be able to buy once Intel release their processors to the market.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

We've managed to run a complete set of benchmarks for both Conroe CPUs in our own lab environment guaranteed free of bias and we've compared their performance to the Presler Extreme Edition 965 and, uniquely, also to today's newcomer from AMD, the Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2.

Here are some that had extended time on Intel provided systems, many with multimedia benches as well:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976430,00.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_conroe_benchmarks/

The data is mounting up, it would appear that the IDF benches in March were legit and we can expect a pretty decent product from Intel this go round.

That tweaktown bench has virtually single handedly put me off conroe, look at the system specs, 1gig of RAM and an ATA HDD for the AMD versus 2gigs of RAM and a SATA HDD for the conroe. If they didn't even try to make the systems of similar spec, what is stopping them buggering around in the BIOS?

I run gentoo linux, so my main concern is getting my compile times down as low as possible. I have an affection for AMD, but until that 'review' I was fully prepared screw AMD and wait till god knows when to get a conroe. Now I think I will buy an AM2 board, fit it with the crappiest semperon I can lay my hands on and wait till the X2 price drops.

That's just me though, conroe might well turn out to give a lot more bang for your buck, but I realised I couldn't really trust anyone to give an honest test before it is released to the masses and I can't wait that long.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: slatr
I need the fastest dual-core cpu I can get for about 250-400 dollars for Lightwave 3d.

Digit-Life just did a preview of Conroe where they used Lightwave for one of the benchmarks.

The 2.67GHz E6700 took 18:26, while the FX-62 took 22:47.

The review is at:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-conroe-2-13-ghz.html

They also have an Excel file containing all the benchmark scores here:
http://www.ixbt.com/cpu/images/intel-conroe-2-13-ghz/results.xls

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Intel fanboism is at an all-time high around here, I tell ya. Prices on the Intel Conroe chips look nice, and it looks like they've stimulated a pricing response from AMD already. I'd say for AMD and Intel users, this is a win-win scenario for the rest of this year.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If Digit-Life's results can be believed, it looks like Conroe is a winner for Lightwave.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: thewilson

Originally posted by: JumpingJack

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

This is odd, I thought AMDs strength was game based benches. So here are a few "independent" benches, outside the Intel realm of influence:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771

We're happy to report that we gathered enough parts to build two systems while in Taiwan for Computex. We managed to acquire a Socket-AM2 motherboard equipped with an Athlon 64 FX-62 and a P965 motherboard equipped with a Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz at our hotel, along with two sets of 2x1GB of DDR2-800 (only 5-5-5-12 modules though), a pair of Hitachi 7K250 SATA hard drives, and two NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTXes (one for each system) - it helps that all the major players have offices in Taiwan. Of course we happened to pack some power supplies, monitors, keyboards and mice in our carry-on luggage, as well as copies of Windows XP, Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2, SYSMark 2004 and Winstone 2004.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/b...ore_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Some websites posted benchmark results from a pre-built test system by Intel in Europe, which they really didn't have much control over. On the other hand, we tested using a retail Intel 965P motherboard from Gigabyte, the 965P-DQ6 to be exact, without any interference from either Intel or Gigabyte. We were left on our own to build the system from scratch, install all of our own software, use our own benchmarking demos - just as we would in our own labs - it's a truly independent set of benchmark numbers on a system you will be able to buy once Intel release their processors to the market.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

We've managed to run a complete set of benchmarks for both Conroe CPUs in our own lab environment guaranteed free of bias and we've compared their performance to the Presler Extreme Edition 965 and, uniquely, also to today's newcomer from AMD, the Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2.

Here are some that had extended time on Intel provided systems, many with multimedia benches as well:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976430,00.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_conroe_benchmarks/

The data is mounting up, it would appear that the IDF benches in March were legit and we can expect a pretty decent product from Intel this go round.

That tweaktown bench has virtually single handedly put me off conroe, look at the system specs, 1gig of RAM and an ATA HDD for the AMD versus 2gigs of RAM and a SATA HDD for the conroe. If they didn't even try to make the systems of similar spec, what is stopping them buggering around in the BIOS?

I run gentoo linux, so my main concern is getting my compile times down as low as possible. I have an affection for AMD, but until that 'review' I was fully prepared screw AMD and wait till god knows when to get a conroe. Now I think I will buy an AM2 board, fit it with the crappiest semperon I can lay my hands on and wait till the X2 price drops.

That's just me though, conroe might well turn out to give a lot more bang for your buck, but I realised I couldn't really trust anyone to give an honest test before it is released to the masses and I can't wait that long.

Wait, so tweaktown releases a dodgy test, and you blame intel for this?

Not the smartest peanut in the turd are ya mate? That's like saying OMG top gear did this really biased review of a BMW, so i'm never buying BMW again, just can't trust them! :roll:

 

[Skott]

Its looking more and more like Intel has finally got something up on AMD if you read the so called early official reviews. About time too. Its not like Intel doesnt have the resources, technology, expertise, and the time to come up with something. Kinda suprised it took Intel this long to come up with something. Personally i like both products for various reasons. I'm still of the opinion though to wait and see actual shipping product before choosing a new King or not. Also, we dont know how well the new Conroes will overclock. Thats something yet no early review has even touched upon. Assuming Intel does pull it off the nearest thing AMD has is their AM 4X4 chip but its not due out till sometime latter half of the year. even then Intel rolls out their quad chips in Q1 2007. So maybe expect to see some leapfrogging in a rapid succession over the next 6-9 months?

 

[Jeff7181]

Even if there has been extensive overclocking testing done on these pre-production samples that some sites are getting their hands on, I wouldn't consider it indicative of how the final products will act.

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: Makaveli
ya and someone tell me what the obsession is with Those XS guys and super Pi times. like if u get a 5 second pi time is everyone suppose to just all of a sudden bow down?

I guess I never got caught up in all this E-penis nonsense.

Finally, someone who has a brain over this OCing BS.

Ahmen!

I'm so darn sick of all the idiots running around like headless chickens when someone happends to set a new super Pi record. Who the heck cares about super Pi? It's not like anyone actually *uses* it.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Furen
Lightwave has always been kind to AMD's K8s so while Conroe will, most likely, beat AMD on it the difference may be pretty slim. If you can afford to wait for the 2+ months 'till Conroe's release (I'd guess more if you dont plan on buying from an OEM) then just wait 'till some reputable website benchmarks Conroe in lightwave.

QFT!

For Lightwave, you're going to have to wait for full benchmarking to see...and for pricing of Conroe, you're going to have to wait for the launch. While Intel has already announced their prices, what you pay for the Conroe will depend on the availability.

 

[thewilson]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: thewilson

Originally posted by: JumpingJack

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Wait, odds are that it's going to be conroe, but we don't know yet.

We're yet to get a full scale test of conroe, the majority of tests run are on conroe systems held by intel and with artifical benches. The lot over at XS have some more but they are skewed towards artifical and game based.

This is odd, I thought AMDs strength was game based benches. So here are a few "independent" benches, outside the Intel realm of influence:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771

We're happy to report that we gathered enough parts to build two systems while in Taiwan for Computex. We managed to acquire a Socket-AM2 motherboard equipped with an Athlon 64 FX-62 and a P965 motherboard equipped with a Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz at our hotel, along with two sets of 2x1GB of DDR2-800 (only 5-5-5-12 modules though), a pair of Hitachi 7K250 SATA hard drives, and two NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTXes (one for each system) - it helps that all the major players have offices in Taiwan. Of course we happened to pack some power supplies, monitors, keyboards and mice in our carry-on luggage, as well as copies of Windows XP, Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2, SYSMark 2004 and Winstone 2004.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/b...ore_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Some websites posted benchmark results from a pre-built test system by Intel in Europe, which they really didn't have much control over. On the other hand, we tested using a retail Intel 965P motherboard from Gigabyte, the 965P-DQ6 to be exact, without any interference from either Intel or Gigabyte. We were left on our own to build the system from scratch, install all of our own software, use our own benchmarking demos - just as we would in our own labs - it's a truly independent set of benchmark numbers on a system you will be able to buy once Intel release their processors to the market.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

We've managed to run a complete set of benchmarks for both Conroe CPUs in our own lab environment guaranteed free of bias and we've compared their performance to the Presler Extreme Edition 965 and, uniquely, also to today's newcomer from AMD, the Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2.

Here are some that had extended time on Intel provided systems, many with multimedia benches as well:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976430,00.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_conroe_benchmarks/

The data is mounting up, it would appear that the IDF benches in March were legit and we can expect a pretty decent product from Intel this go round.

That tweaktown bench has virtually single handedly put me off conroe, look at the system specs, 1gig of RAM and an ATA HDD for the AMD versus 2gigs of RAM and a SATA HDD for the conroe. If they didn't even try to make the systems of similar spec, what is stopping them buggering around in the BIOS?

I run gentoo linux, so my main concern is getting my compile times down as low as possible. I have an affection for AMD, but until that 'review' I was fully prepared screw AMD and wait till god knows when to get a conroe. Now I think I will buy an AM2 board, fit it with the crappiest semperon I can lay my hands on and wait till the X2 price drops.

That's just me though, conroe might well turn out to give a lot more bang for your buck, but I realised I couldn't really trust anyone to give an honest test before it is released to the masses and I can't wait that long.

Wait, so tweaktown releases a dodgy test, and you blame intel for this?

Not the smartest peanut in the turd are ya mate? That's like saying OMG top gear did this really biased review of a BMW, so i'm never buying BMW again, just can't trust them! :roll:

Well I see basic comprehension is beyond you, so maybe I should break down my comments to nice little words for you:

My version - "I was fully prepared screw AMD and wait till god knows when to get a conroe"
dug777 special edition - "Me want get conroe"

My version - "I realised I couldn't really trust anyone to give an honest test before it is released to the masses and I can't wait that long"
dug 777 special edition - "Me think man test chip wrong. Me think man bad, who else bad who test chip? Me not know Me need chip now. Me get X2."

Edit: Incidentily I wonder where tweaktown got the chip from in the first place? Do you suppose they had to do anything special to test/keep them?

KTHNX BYE