Verizon FIOS changing IPs when using bittorrent

[kevnich2]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: kevnich2
Well the problem IMO is that the infrastructure in places like downtown NY are so old, it needs replaced. But the pains it would take to get it all overhauled is huge because of all the work that is involved with replacing it. I was talking with a tech from that area and they constantly find old copper lines that are several decades old that are rusted or eaten through that usually cause the issues with internet or phone service in those areas. But the sad thing is, take into account the number of subscribers times how much their paying per month. Yes, they can afford to upgrade it but they just don't want to dip into all their profits in order to do it. The same thing, I think, applies to the bandwidth cap that is going around. I'm SURE Spidey will disagree with me but frankly I don't care. ISP's can afford to increase their bandwidth instead of giving it's subscribers to a measly 40gb on their highest tiers (TWC). In my opinion, that is not going forward in trying to make better the internet in the US but is a giant step backward and it's mainly because of companies enjoying all the profits they get by not re-investing and making the technology better for it's customers.

The reason that cable ISPs all have horrible caps, is because that is an anti-competitive step that they are taking. What with online video taking off, if everyone had uncapped broadband, they would watch their TV shows and movies online, and stop subscribing to the cable company's video services. They can't allow that to happen, because their video services generate so much gravy compared to their internet services, so they cap, to prevent users from being able to actually use their internet connections for what they want. Instead, they have to pick and choose.

Yeah that's about 50-75% of it. It'd be nice if they'd give a higher tier for like $70/month that had zero cap at all, which would make up the price *if* that person did cancel their TV anyway. I know I'd rather have that. I don't mind spending more if I'm relying on my internet so much but I'm probably one of the few with that mindset as well.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

The reason that cable ISPs all have horrible caps, is because that is an anti-competitive step that they are taking. What with online video taking off, if everyone had uncapped broadband, they would watch their TV shows and movies online, and stop subscribing to the cable company's video services. They can't allow that to happen, because their video services generate so much gravy compared to their internet services, so they cap, to prevent users from being able to actually use their internet connections for what they want. Instead, they have to pick and choose.

Common sense eludes you. People want to turn on the TV and watch it. Not spend their hours trying to "beat the system".

This is not some evil conspiracy, just freaking common sense.

 

[kevnich2]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

The reason that cable ISPs all have horrible caps, is because that is an anti-competitive step that they are taking. What with online video taking off, if everyone had uncapped broadband, they would watch their TV shows and movies online, and stop subscribing to the cable company's video services. They can't allow that to happen, because their video services generate so much gravy compared to their internet services, so they cap, to prevent users from being able to actually use their internet connections for what they want. Instead, they have to pick and choose.

Common sense eludes you. People want to turn on the TV and watch it. Not spend their hours trying to "beat the system".

This is not some evil conspiracy, just freaking common sense.

Some people do just want to watch TV, other people would like to watch specific things they want to watch which are available online via streaming video. Unless you've been living in a cave, these service are becoming very popular. Netflix, Amazon VOD, etc. And yes, they'll never admit it but the cable companies are getting worried about losing their tv subscriber base to this. I know of several people that have cancelled their TV and only use streaming video because they never really watched their tv that often to justify the $50/mo price but still wanted to watch things every now and then and what they wanted was available at the various sites such as netflix or hulu.com

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

Originally posted by: kevnich2

My FIOS is DHCP and I had leave my modem unplugged overnight to get a new IP (Was having lots of disconnection issues and the WAN failing to renew the IP but when it did, same IP) After I got a new IP with new subnet on the WAN, I've had that same ip for almost 3 months now and not a single issue.

It is quite sad to begin with, we would expect that the ISPs would disclose to work about of the system used by its subscribers. :shocked:

Then we try to pull togather info (like this thread) and get No where either. :brokenheart:

On the other hand I currently get daily telemarketing phone call from Verizon trying to convince me that I am better off switching my current service to 1Mb/sec. PPPOE DSL for $17.99 a month.

FIOS, Nah. In New York City it is Not easy to upgrade the delivery system, so why should they bother. :|

what? fios is vastly superior to anything else in the united states, they do not in any way shape or impede their customers. And what do you mean this thread is going nowhere? we firmly established that the reason his IP changes is because his router crapped out and he has PPOE, not because verizon is traffic shaping him.

 

[Netcraazzy]

Just wanted to post an update in this thread. I took cmetz suggestion and tried a different router, an old netgear prosafe I snagged from work, and that does appear to have solved the changing IP problem. As for the PPPoE issue... the Verizon tech, after playing dumb at first, said that they do offer DHCP but they would have to upgrade the ONT and would charge me to do that. Since I'm not going to pay just for that I guess its PPPoE for me. The tech also tried to fight me about giving out the PPPoE password once he discovered that I was trying to setup my own router instead of using some Actiontec router that I guess is the one they are using these days.

 

[taltamir]

if a tech is being a pain, call another one... heck, why use your own router? just nag them until they:
1. Replace the router for free
2. Upgrade the ONT for free...

You have a genuine problem and they should fix it. Also if your contract is up you can threaten to cancel.

 

[Netcraazzy]

Originally posted by: taltamir
if a tech is being a pain, call another one... heck, why use your own router? just nag them until they:
1. Replace the router for free
2. Upgrade the ONT for free...

You have a genuine problem and they should fix it. Also if your contract is up you can threaten to cancel.

I use my own router because from everything I've read the router Verizon provides isnt all that great. Work was kind enough to donate a nice 8 port netgear prosafe router and I have a feeling its a much better router than anything Verizon would give me. It has a lot more granular options for setting up port forwarding rules and for doing VPN which is good since I frequently remote into my network from work and host a few private servers for things such as Ventrilo.

As for upgrading the ONT, I thought about complaining about that and I may just try to twist their arm to get them to do it for free. My wife has had FIOS for quite a few years so we are not under any contracts. Having to use PPPoE is really more of an infrequent annoyance. Now that I know the username and password I can just put it into any future routers I may upgrade to.

 

[mundane]

My install was last week, and they provided a Westell 9100em. It seems to be fairly capable

 

[taltamir]

their old action tech routers are dated, their new westell routers are very powerful, more powerful then your average home router, it has a two 64bit processors on it, I think each at 600mhz, which is very impressive for a router, better then what you will get in any "home" class router. And that is the ONLY router currently available for them to give as a replacement, the others are discontinued and out of stock...

 

[Netcraazzy]

Originally posted by: mundane
My install was last week, and they provided a Westell 9100em. It seems to be fairly capable

This is interesting, I may have to do a little more research on that Westell router. Do you have their VOIP or TV service or just ISP? I'm curious if they integrate the components needed for VOIP and updating the STB guide into one router now or if they still use a seperate box.

 

[kevnich2]

FIOS phone doesn't go thru the router at all, it goes to the telephone wires at the ONT. If you have FIOS TV, your required to use the FIOS router (STB's use Moca for their networking) and the internet goes thru the Moca (coax) to the FIOS router which has capabilities for WAN on either the moca or ethernet. Only way to actually run separately is to purchase two FIOS accounts (one for tv and another separate for internet) but obviously that doesn't have the bundled pricing.

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: Netcraazzy

Originally posted by: mundane
My install was last week, and they provided a Westell 9100em. It seems to be fairly capable

This is interesting, I may have to do a little more research on that Westell router. Do you have their VOIP or TV service or just ISP? I'm curious if they integrate the components needed for VOIP and updating the STB guide into one router now or if they still use a seperate box.

TV + Internet, no phone.

I tried to ask them questions as the installation progressed (the infrastructure is fascinating), and what kevnich2 says below rings a bell.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: kevnich2
FIOS phone doesn't go thru the router at all, it goes to the telephone wires at the ONT. If you have FIOS TV, your required to use the FIOS router (STB's use Moca for their networking) and the internet goes thru the Moca (coax) to the FIOS router which has capabilities for WAN on either the moca or ethernet. Only way to actually run separately is to purchase two FIOS accounts (one for tv and another separate for internet) but obviously that doesn't have the bundled pricing.

you are not required to, its just that their TV guide goes through it, if you do NOT use the fios router then you have no TV guide.... also if you use cable cards you have no guide...