Verdict - Google violated Oracle's JAVA copyright

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sciwizam

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Now the Judge will decide if APIs are copyrightable or not. The jury was told by the Judge to assume that APIs are copyrightabe while they made their ruling and he'll later decide if they are copyrightable or not.
 
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Kingbee13

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Our patent system is in such bad shape, but one would be crazy to think that google could make android without any in house ip previously without infringing on IP

My take on the 3 major powers in the great mobile patent wars

Apple: hell bent on destroying Android doesnt want to license any of thier IP to Google, just wants android banned

Microsoft: Wants to cross-license with everyone in the mobile sector (and usually gets paid to share IP)

Google: Just does whatever they want and licenses nothing, worrys about the legal ramifications when they are sued
 
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Mopetar

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sciwizam said:
Now the Judge will decide if APIs are copyrightable or not. The jury was told by the Judge to assume that APIs are copyrightabe while they made their ruling and he'll later decide if they are copyrightable or not.
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Yeah. At this point nothing has been decided and we still need to wait for the judge's decision. No matter which way he rules, the case will be appealed, so we'll need to wait for that as well. Assuming it gets reversed on appeal, we'll get another appeal. This could drag on for years.
 
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Kingbee13 said:
Our patent system is in such bad shape, but one would be crazy to think that google could make android without any in house ip previously without infringing on IP
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It was discussed inhouse at Google whether they needed a license or not to use the Java APIs, they decided not to.
 
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ChronoReverse

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It's not a guilty verdict. The jury decided that IF API's are copyrightable (the judge told to to assume it's true) THEN Google did copy. They deadlocked in determining whether Google was covered under Fair Use.

Finally (and this is important), the judge will later decide whether API's are copyrightable at all. If not, then it doesn't matter that Google has copied.
 
cheezy321

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Bateluer said:
This is why.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57...laims-61-percent-of-all-u.s-smartphone-sales/

Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
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I would really like to see their methodology on how they came up with these numbers. Actual, hard numbers from 80% of the US carriers says otherwise.

iPhone sales as % of overall smartphone sales in Q1 2012:

AT&T (78%)
Verizon (51%)
Sprint (60%)

How again does android gain market share? How does iOS lose market share in a quarter where they beat the competition for 80% of US carriers?
 
Bateluer

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cheezy321 said:
I would really like to see their methodology on how they came up with these numbers. Actual, hard numbers from 80% of the US carriers says otherwise.

iPhone sales as % of overall smartphone sales in Q1 2012:

AT&T (78%)
Verizon (51%)
Sprint (60%)

How again does android gain market share? How does iOS lose market share in a quarter where they beat the competition for 80% of US carriers?
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Do you have a source for those numbers? Seem pretty inflated when you look at documented sales, shipments, and any relevance on casual observance.

Here's the source article at NPD though, which CNET cited.

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_120502

The rise of the pre-paid market contributed to Samsung’s growth. Part of the rise for pre-paid handsets were smartphones. In the absence of an Apple prepaid option, Android phones accounted for 79 percent of the pre-paid smartphone market in Q1. Four in 10 pre-paid smartphones (38 percent) sold in the U.S. were manufactured by Samsung.
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Big market, apparently, in pre-paid. Lot of people don't want to pay ~100/month for a smart phone on AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/TMO.

NPD-Telecom-Fact-Sheet--CES-2012.jpg


24%+15%+10%+7%, thats 56% that are certainly Android based, between Samsung/HTC/Moto/LG. That 10% Other category is likely at least half Android, with some Bada, WinMo/WP7, and BREW mixed in.
 
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cheezy321

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Bateluer said:
Do you have a source for those numbers? Seem pretty inflated when you look at documented sales, shipments, and any relevance on casual observance.

Here's the source article at NPD though, which CNET cited.

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_120502



Big market, apparently, in pre-paid. Lot of people don't want to pay ~100/month for a smart phone on AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/TMO.

NPD-Telecom-Fact-Sheet--CES-2012.jpg


24%+15%+10%+7%, thats 56% that are certainly Android based, between Samsung/HTC/Moto/LG. That 10% Other category is likely at least half Android, with some Bada, WinMo/WP7, and BREW mixed in.
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Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-us-smartphone-marketshare-versus-android-for-q1-2012-5

NPD is using bunk numbers. Their report is total bullshit. I believe the actual carriers over a 3rd party source that 'surveys' 12,000 people.
 
cheezy321

cheezy321

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Bateluer said:
Err, the updates added by BI at the bottom of the article back up NPD's numbers and invalid your own claim. Try again?
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Reality, according to NPD : Enterprise customers don't matter, but the used and refurbished phone market does. They would technically count the same phone twice in their 'survey', but they wont count new a new enterprise user even once. Please tell me how this makes sense.

I highly doubt their numbers. I will look to the carriers actual sales to tell me market share. Pre-paid is infinitely hard to track. Who even knows if the person will be paying or even using the same phone the next month. This is a random survey of 12,000 people. Its weaksauce.

Edit: nevermind, I guess their survey removes people who activate used or refurbished phones, unlike the carriers numbers? I still don't get how that works.
 
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