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Vegetarians and their Holier-than-thou attitude

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Dari

Lifer
Had a discussion with a vegetarian the other day. While eating her "hot dog" she started preaching about the virtues of being a vegetarian and how an animal dies everytime I eat meat. This piqued my interest and decided to hear her out. When she was done with her sermon I asked her if she thought a living thing had died because of what I was eating (it was a real hamburger). She said yes. Then I asked her what she was eating. She said it was a veggie dog. I asked her what it was made of. She said soy. I asked her what else. She said it was not made from animals. I then asked her if plants were living creatures. She said yes but they're not animals. I then asked her if she was discriminating between which living creatures live and died? She then went into another part of her sermon about animals being caged and in pain and on and on. I then asked if she denied that plants did feel pain? She said no, they did not. I then said "You know what, you're probably right." and moved on.

Fact of the matter is, in order for one thing to live, something else must die.
 
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Vegetarians are responsible for the non-existence of millions of animals. Non-existence is a fate worse than death.
 
Dari said:
Had a discussion with a vegetarian the other day. While eating her "hot dog" she started preaching about the virtues of being a vegetarian and how an animal dies everytime I eat meat. This peaked my interest and decided to hear her out. When she was done with her sermon I asked her if she thought a living thing had died because of what I was eating (it was a real hamburger). She said yes. Then I asked her what she was eating. She said it was a veggie dog. I asked her what it was made of. She said soy. I asked her what else. She said it was not made from animals. I then asked her if plants were living creatures. She said yes but they're not animals. I then asked her if she was discriminating between which living creatures live and died? She then went into another part of her sermon about animals being caged and in pain and on and on. I then asked if she denied that plants did feel pain? She said no, they did not. I then said "You know what, you're probably right." and moved on.

Fact of the matter is, in order for one thing to live, something else must die.
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People who point out spelling mistakes are also holier-than-thou.

It's "piqued," not "peaked."
 
The whole issue with vegetarianism is not that poor animals are mistreated, but the fact that our ecosystem just can't support the massive consumption of meat for long, especially beef. Cows are really inefficient when it comes to turning energy into meat.
 
I hate to say it, but yeah, most vegetarians/vegans I know do have an attitude about it.

What cracks me up is when people go the veggie route for health reasons, but then live off junk food - Tofurky, Boca Burgers, Rice Dream ice cream, etc. Still not healthy. The reason most Veg-oriented people don't look too healthy is because they're not balancing their protein & fat intake correctly, which you can easily do - there are plenty of Vegan bodybuilders out there, it's just about eating the right stuff.

I've tried out the Vegan diet in the past and I can honestly say it is absolutely the best I have ever felt in my life (but only when done properly!). I had massive amounts of energy all day long. In fact, the Ironman Triathlon in Hawaii was won 6 years straight on a vegetarian diet. Some of the top MMA guys only eat veggies. Heck, gorillas pretty much only eat vegetables and they're pretty dang strong :awe: For anyone interested in learning more about a proper vegan diet, check out "The Thrive Diet" book by Brendan Brazier, an endurance athlete:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Thrive-Die.../dp/0143052365

However, I love grilling meat far too much to stay committed to it 😀 Also, you have to go shopping a lot (fresh vegetables & fruits and whatnot) and it can get really expensive.
 
Baptismbyfire said:
The whole issue with vegetarianism is not that poor animals are mistreated, but the fact that our ecosystem just can't support the massive consumption of meat for long, especially beef. Cows are really inefficient when it comes to turning energy into meat.
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I watched some documentary on a vegetable-based diet awhile back and they said that something like 700 million tons of grain was produced every year just to feed farmed animals, which would be more the double the amount of needed to feed the human population who were in poverty. I might have the numbers wrong but you get the idea...pretty interesting.
 
Kaido said:
Also, you have to go shopping a lot (fresh vegetables & fruits and whatnot) and it can get really expensive.
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Supposedly the reason for that is the government supports the meat industry with government assistance much more than they do for fruits and vegetables farmers, due to all the dollar bills the meat industry has stuffed the mouth of Congressmen with. Actual meat prices is higher when you consider how much of your tax money goes intoto the pockets of the meat industry.
 
What I have found works is that I promise them I won't come on their face and then I do.
Cuts down that superior attitude.
 
Kaido said:
I watched some documentary on a vegetable-based diet awhile back and they said that something like 700 million tons of grain was produced every year just to feed farmed animals, which would be more the double the amount of needed to feed the human population who were in poverty. I might have the numbers wrong but you get the idea...pretty interesting.
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The numbers are like
7 lbs of corn per 1 lb of beef,
6.5 lbs of corn per 1 lb of pork,
2.5 lbs of corn per 1 lb of chicken.

Granted, beef will tend to have more calorie than chicken (even though it would depend on the cut, and you would also have to consider nutrients to determine which would be a more efficient use of energy), but still, the numbers seem to indicate that chickens are much better for sustainability in the long run.
 
alkemyst said:
I kill for fun, that said I love animals and wish I didn't have to eat them.
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"Gee, we would never have suspected he's a serial killer. He seemed like such a nice guy!"

Honestly, while I buy meat at the store like everyone else, I do think there's a pretty big difference between humane and inhumane slaughter methods. I'm glad we've got policies in place that shut down slaughterhouses that don't adhere to certain standards, but I wish those were better-applied.

Leading a healthy animal up to a stall in a controlled environment and putting a bolt through its head is very different than dragging a crippled animal through a noisy area and misfiring a bolt and then shoving it, injured and terrified and still alive, into the next part of the process where it gets put on a hook, hoisted up and skinned.

A good slaughterhouse is following regulations and doing the first type of slaughter. A bad slaughterhouse is cutting corners and doing the latter, and those are the ones animal activists love to infiltrate, film and put on YouTube.

I know it's not feasible for everyone but it makes me glad my husband and I are in a position to be moving towards raising our own animals (goats) and live in a community where locally raised and slaughtered meats (beef, pork, lamb, rabbit, chicken) can be purchased direct from farm.
 
Dari said:
Had a discussion with a vegetarian the other day. While eating her "hot dog" she started preaching about the virtues of being a vegetarian and how an animal dies everytime I eat meat. This piqued my interest and decided to hear her out. When she was done with her sermon I asked her if she thought a living thing had died because of what I was eating (it was a real hamburger). She said yes. Then I asked her what she was eating. She said it was a veggie dog. I asked her what it was made of. She said soy. I asked her what else. She said it was not made from animals. I then asked her if plants were living creatures. She said yes but they're not animals. I then asked her if she was discriminating between which living creatures live and died? She then went into another part of her sermon about animals being caged and in pain and on and on. I then asked if she denied that plants did feel pain? She said no, they did not. I then said "You know what, you're probably right." and moved on.

Fact of the matter is, in order for one thing to live, something else must die.
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Better watch yourself OP, she might kick your ass next time.
 
I saw a vegetarian restaurant the other day that had shrimp on the menu. I've never quite understood how some veggies don't consider fish and seafood to be meat.

I know a few veggies but they never really force it on others. One of my friends can't eat meat due to health problems. Most of these hard core animal rights activists are more than a few carrots short of a bunch anyway, so it's best not to take them seriously.
 
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