Vegans charged with death of 11 month old baby due to vitamin deficiency

[wuliheron]

I wouldn't call the human digestive system horrendously bad. It falls somewhere between that of a carnivore and herbivore, indicating that we are meant to be omnivores. Which also happens to be common sense to most people.

Exactly, we have the great digestive system that can handle more things then a pig can eat including a vegan diet. Cows can only eat grass, have seven stomachs, chew their food twice, and fart nonstop. If that's anyone's idea of a great digestive system they need to seek professional help immediately.

 

[Texashiker]

The human digestive system is one of the reasons why our species has been so successful. Our ancestors ate everything from mastodon to berries, and anything inbetween.

There are some health benefits to limiting your meat intake. But to totally remove animal products from one diet, is just plain silly.

I am pretty sure the hard-core vegans will dismiss this incident. If a breast fed baby can not live on a vegan diet, that should be a good example that its not a natural diet and its not healthy.

 

[theeedude]

Charging a mother for breastfeeding a baby? The charges should be dropped immediately, and prosecutor who brought them should be forced to resign.
Forgot to mention disbarred and stripped of pension.

 

[Texashiker]

Charging a mother for breastfeeding a baby?

More like she is being charged with neglecting her baby.

 

[LumbergTech]

this stuff has nothing to do with a vegan diet..she was only breastfeeding the 11 month old and clearly ignored the signs of ill health..that is the problem

 

[LumbergTech]

The human digestive system is one of the reasons why our species has been so successful. Our ancestors ate everything from mastodon to berries, and anything inbetween.

There are some health benefits to limiting your meat intake. But to totally remove animal products from one diet, is just plain silly.

I am pretty sure the hard-core vegans will dismiss this incident. If a breast fed baby can not live on a vegan diet, that should be a good example that its not a natural diet and its not healthy.

did you actually read the article

Two vegans who **fed their 11-month-old daughter only mother's milk** went on trial in northern France on Tuesday charged with neglect after their baby died suffering from vitamin deficiency.

 

[Texashiker]

this stuff has nothing to do with a vegan diet..

Where did you get your degree in nutrition or medicine?

And how long have you been practicing?

did you actually read the article

Yes, I read it.

 

[LumbergTech]

Where did you get your degree in nutrition or medicine?

And how long have you been practicing?

wheres yours since you decided to make all the strong statements in the first place

 

[ShawnD1]

this stuff has nothing to do with a vegan diet..she was only breastfeeding the 11 month old and clearly ignored the signs of ill health..that is the problem

How long does a baby last on tits only? I don't have any kids so I'm not sure how much they eat. I would guess the answer is lots.

 

[LumbergTech]

How long does a baby last on tits only? I don't have any kids so I'm not sure how much they eat. I would guess the answer is lots.

my child was no longer breastfeeding at 11 months...I've never personally known anyone who was exclusively breastfed at 11 months

 

[Matt1970]

I want to go back to breast feeding.

 

[Texashiker]

wheres yours since you decided to make all the strong statements in the first place

Without knowing the diet of the mother, we can not know if she was providing the correct nutrients for the child.

After raising 4 kids, its common sense to be concerned if a baby is not putting on weight. From the article, it was clear that the baby did not weigh what it should.

Where did I get my degree? The school of hard knocks, with an internship of staying up late at night with sick kids, continuing education courses of having kids at the emergency room at 2am with 103 fever. Total on the job experience of about 25 years with raising kids.

4 kids of my own, and 12 grand kids

.I've never personally known anyone who was exclusively breastfed at 11 months

Nor I.

We usually introduce solid food at around 3 months - mashed up green beans, mashed potatoes, mashed up bananas,,,,,.

As soon as the kids started getting teeth, say 6 months, we started giving them SMALL pieces of meat they could swallow whole.

 

[LumbergTech]

Without knowing the diet of the mother, we can not know if she was providing the correct nutrients for the child.

After raising 4 kids, its common sense to be concerned if a baby is not putting on weight. From the article, it was clear that the baby did not weigh what it should.

Where did I get my degree? The school of hard knocks, with an internship of staying up late at night with sick kids, continuing education courses of having kids at the emergency room at 2am with 103 fever. Total on the job experience of about 25 years with raising kids.

4 kids of my own, and 12 grand kids

I absolutely agree that the child was neglected (based on what I have read so far). The parents failed to protect the child. I have known a number of parents who raised children on a vegan diet and they were fine. Finding one instance of something like this and making loose ties and trying to give a certain group of people a hard time is unnecessary. I wasn't trying to defend these people, just saying I don't really think it is the vegan diet in general, but the lack of feeding the child real food. The vegan diet may have been a factor in why the mother's milk did not sustain the child(I really don't know), but as we both agreed the child should have been eating solid food.

 

[Texashiker]

I wasn't trying to defend these people, just saying I don't really think it is the vegan diet in general, but the lack of feeding the child real food.

My personal goals, at 12 months old the baby should be off of formula - if breast fed, still give breast milk at bed time and snacks - and on solid food. And I do not mean baby food, I mean solid food.

My wife breastfed 2 of our kids until they were about 18 months old - but they were eating solid food by the time they were 6 months old.

I know parents that give their kids baby food sometimes until the child is 2 years old. From the looks of the child, their growth is stunted.

 

[theeedude]

More like she is being charged with neglecting her baby.

She was breastfeeding it. That is the natural way to feed a baby.
When baby became sick, the woman called the doctor. No neglect found.
Connection the prosecutor is making between mother's diet, baby's vitamin levels, higher risk of infection, and the baby's death is tenuous at best, and a major slippery slope. It makes as much sense as charging a mother for eating animal products if she catches a food borne infection from them and passes it on. There are risks and benefits to every diet.

 

[Texashiker]

She was breastfeeding it. That is the natural way to feed a baby.

Exclusive breastfeeding for 11 months is not natural.

Government guidelines suggest exclusive breastfeeding for the first 6 months, and then introduce solid food. Breast milk only provides enough nutrients for the first 6 months. At that time the babies developmental needs grow past what breast milk can supply.

None of my kids made it past the 3rd or 4th months before we started giving some kind of solid food.

 

[Throckmorton]

How the fuck can vegans not realize that their diet is NOT natural for humans and that they NEED supplements? Oh right, because our society is now ruled by pseudoscience yoga holistic bullshit.

 

[Throckmorton]

I absolutely agree that the child was neglected (based on what I have read so far). The parents failed to protect the child. I have known a number of parents who raised children on a vegan diet and they were fine. Finding one instance of something like this and making loose ties and trying to give a certain group of people a hard time is unnecessary. I wasn't trying to defend these people, just saying I don't really think it is the vegan diet in general, but the lack of feeding the child real food. The vegan diet may have been a factor in why the mother's milk did not sustain the child(I really don't know), but as we both agreed the child should have been eating solid food.

They weren't fine. They had lower IQs than if they had been raised eating meat and dairy. That's just a fact of human biology.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I hate veganism and everything they stand for. This article does not influence my opinion.

 

[HumblePie]

The human body is designed as an omnivore from birth.

One can only be a pure vegetarian, or the opposite a pure carnivore, only by using modern day supplements realistically. Sure vegens can consume some mass quantities of a very few plant types that produce rare nutrients that 99% of the worlds plants don't produce but is found easily in meat that our bodies require. But we aren't designed for that shit.

Still most vegens aren't that extreme either. Some will eat cheese, unfertilized eggs, or other animal by products. Others are the extremes and won't do that at all or at least think they aren't. Which I find funny because of they eat any sort of plant material they are eating tiny amounts of insect or worm parts regardless.

So the mother of this baby, and I'm assuming it was her first, was probably an extreme form and wasn't taking enough supplements. Babies are naturally weaker than adults and while her body was living with a deficiency, although I bet she still get sick easier than most people, to a baby that is fatal as shown. She was basically an idiot and should be punished for being so. It's one thing to screw your own body up. Something else to screw over another life because of your actions and choices.

 

[silverpig]

Darwinism at work. Sadly it was the kid who paid the price.

Also, seems kind of odd that vegans would exclusively feed their kid food that comes from an animal

B12 deficiency is the most common deficiency in vegans but it is plentiful in meat. Apparently vegans try feeding their pets vegan diets too and you can sort of make it work for dogs, but cats just straight up go blind and die if you try it with them.

 

[bfdd]

the human brain pretty much needs fat to function, the only way to get enough of that fat is through animal products. i also don't personally see the difference between offing a cow for meat or ripping some potatoes out of the ground. Both are killing a living thing to be consumed, just because one can look you back in the eyes is by no means a reason not to eat it.

 

[JSt0rm]

Where did I get my degree? The school of hard knocks, with an internship of staying up late at night with sick kids, continuing education courses of having kids at the emergency room at 2am with 103 fever. Total on the job experience of about 25 years with raising kids.

oh for fucks sake. That makes you a expert? People can eat a healthy vegan diet.

 

[JSt0rm]

the human brain pretty much needs fat to function, the only way to get enough of that fat is through animal products. i also don't personally see the difference between offing a cow for meat or ripping some potatoes out of the ground. Both are killing a living thing to be consumed, just because one can look you back in the eyes is by no means a reason not to eat it.

You dont need animal fats to get fats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond#Nutrition_and_health

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monounsaturated_fat

 

[JSt0rm]

Still most vegens aren't that extreme either. Some will eat cheese, unfertilized eggs, or other animal by products.

Those people are considered vegetarians. Vegans consume no animal products. So much mis-information in this thread.