Vegans charged with death of 11 month old baby due to vitamin deficiency

[Londo_Jowo]

That's great but apparently the mother was not eating a diet that was healthy enough or had issues with producing good quality milk for her baby. It's not normal nor healthy for an infant to have a breast milk only diet for more than 6 months.

 

[JSt0rm]

How the fuck can vegans not realize that their diet is NOT natural for humans and that they NEED supplements? Oh right, because our society is now ruled by pseudoscience yoga holistic bullshit.

My girlfriend is vegan and has been for 8 years. She also knows that babies cant be on a vegan diet. This story has more to do with these 2 uneducated people. From reading a lot of the responses in this thread these 2 people aren't the only uneducated people.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's great but apparently the mother was not eating a diet that was healthy enough or had issues with producing good quality milk for her baby. It's not normal nor healthy for an infant to have a breast milk only diet for more than 6 months.

I agree. But that has nothing to do with vegan and everything to do with idiot mom.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I didn't say it had to do with being a vegan but that the mother should have researched what she needed to do to ensure the infant had a good diet.

 

[JSt0rm]

I didn't say it had to do with being a vegan but that the mother should have researched what she needed to do to ensure the infant had a good diet.

Maybe you didn't but a ton of other people in this thread did. Somehow they HATE vegans. Like I think we hate enough stuff to now hate people based on the diet they CHOOSE for themselves. Idiots.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no issue with what people choose to eat, though I do have an issue when they think they need to decide what I should eat.

I don't think these people need to serve major time as they will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they could have lived their vegan life while still ensuring that this infant had the proper nutrition to be healthy.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.35c2caa5efa0e183b7b38a2d0e2b7f40.71&show_article=1



Poor little kid.

Is vitamin B12 deficiency a common problem in vegan diets?

Some where there must be a ton of books on VEGAN mothers' nutrition for nursing babies. You dont become VEGAN without some research. No gran-mama coming over to see the grandbaby and asking why it was not gaining weight either?

 

[JSt0rm]

I have no issue with what people choose to eat, though I do have an issue when they think they need to decide what I should eat.

When has that happened? My gf is a strict vegan but tonight we are going out to eat at a very nice french restaurant. I plan on having meat in at least 2 of the 3 courses

 

[WHAMPOM]

How long does a baby last on tits only? I don't have any kids so I'm not sure how much they eat. I would guess the answer is lots.

Til the teeth come in and momma gets an "OWieee!"

 

[HumblePie]

Those people are considered vegetarians. Vegans consume no animal products. So much mis-information in this thread.

I've heard the term as interchangable. As one is just a short name for another like Tim for Timothy or Tom for Thomas or Thad for Thadeus. Vegen for Vegetarian.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I hope no vegan ever says their diet has health benefits - this proves a vegan diet can in fact be lethal.

I mean, yes us humans can cope with it, but it means vegans need to be realistic, acknowledge the shortcomings of their diet, and arrange alternatives like supplements. The alternative is your pride and ignorance killing your children.

 

[bfdd]

I've heard the term as interchangable. As one is just a short name for another like Tim for Timothy or Tom for Thomas or Thad for Thadeus. Vegen for Vegetarian.

they are very different. and yes jstorm there is obviously something wrong with the vegan diet when it requires you to eat so much processed shit to get the nutrients you require to live a healthy life. yes these people were idiots, but to say they weren't probably so full of themselves and misinformation about veganism/diet that they wouldn't have listened to anyone if they had told them anyways. OH WAIT WHICH A DOCTOR PROBABLY DID.

I have no problem with people eating what they want to eat, but allowing people to make stupid decisions and educating them on how stupid their decisions are/were are different things. I'm all for allowing morons to fuck over their lives and for us to point at them and tell them where and why they're morons.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Seems like Vegans are as dumb as fundamentalist religious people who do the anti-vaccination stuff. I don't seem to see the same vitriol against the Vegans though.. wonder why that is?

 

[JSt0rm]

I've heard the term as interchangable. As one is just a short name for another like Tim for Timothy or Tom for Thomas or Thad for Thadeus. Vegen for Vegetarian.

You heard wrong.

they are very different. and yes jstorm there is obviously something wrong with the vegan diet when it requires you to eat so much processed shit to get the nutrients you require to live a healthy life.

This is false.

Seems like Vegans are as dumb as fundamentalist religious people who do the anti-vaccination stuff. I don't seem to see the same vitriol against the Vegans though.. wonder why that is?

you are an idiot.

 

[Throckmorton]

My girlfriend is vegan and has been for 8 years. She also knows that babies cant be on a vegan diet. This story has more to do with these 2 uneducated people. From reading a lot of the responses in this thread these 2 people aren't the only uneducated people.

The reason they didn't realize the mother needed supplements is that the vegan movement spreads bullshit about veganism being natural for humans. Most vegans seem to not realize that they need supplements, and that children especially need supplements or a natural omnivorous diet for brain development.

I'd love to see vegans come out and acknowledge that feeding a child a pure vegan diet causes IQ deficiency, but they won't, because they really do believe it's natural. Their ideology forces them to deny reality. Sound familiar?

 

[Throckmorton]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/vegan-diet-problems.html

If you show that article to the typical vegan he'll go into a denialist rage and make wild anti-science conspiracy claims.

 

[sactoking]

Q: What's worse than a strict vegan?

A: A raw-foods vegan.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

They weren't fine. They had lower IQs than if they had been raised eating meat and dairy. That's just a fact of human biology.

It's been proven that humans got their higher brain power (Debatable if that still exists in some people) because they had a diet of easy to find plants, AND meat, which introduced additional protein to help the brain develop.
There's a reason herbivores all have flat teeth made for grinding, like our back teeth, and no incisors.
Humans have both because we through evolution or be design of <insert religious diety>, were made to eat meat and plants.

 

[Powermoloch]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.35c2caa5efa0e183b7b38a2d0e2b7f40.71&show_article=1



Poor little kid.

Is vitamin B12 deficiency a common problem in vegan diets?

Yes it's really common, the only way to get a round that is by having B12 supplements or B12 fortified foods. lacto-ovo vegetarians can get around this problem because they consume milk and eggs as part of their diet.

I think it's the responsibility of the parents to ensure that their baby shouldn't be malnourished in the first place. I wonder if they had any education during the pregnancy, but then again, the baby was already in bad shape in conception if the mother was already a vegan in the first place because the lack of nutrients.

 

[Broheim]

All of which tells me that Humans are meant to have at least some meat in their diets.

meat is the sole reason we're top of the food chain, protein was/is necessary for the development of the brain. the majority of the smartest animals have protein rich diets for instance (not necessarily meat, but meat is the best source of protein).

besides vitamins meat also provides us with essential amino acids(that the body cannot produce itself), iron and Creatine among many other things, completely essential to your health and body.

had we been herbivores, we would have the intelligence and mental acuity of a cow.

 

[bfdd]

The reason they didn't realize the mother needed supplements is that the vegan movement spreads bullshit about veganism being natural for humans. Most vegans seem to not realize that they need supplements, and that children especially need supplements or a natural omnivorous diet for brain development.

I'd love to see vegans come out and acknowledge that feeding a child a pure vegan diet causes IQ deficiency, but they won't, because they really do believe it's natural. Their ideology forces them to deny reality. Sound familiar?

Exactly. I've dated the same kind of chick Jst0rm is in a relationship with at the moment. I've heard all that non-sense from her and her friends. It doesn't mean shit. It's just some moral movement that started way back by some people who didn't want to hurt the cuddily wuddily animals. The human brain evolved in the way it did due to the ANIMAL FATS our ancestors consumed.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Q: What's worse than a strict vegan?

A: A raw-foods vegan.

God yes. People who think raw food is somehow healthier than cooked food are just idiots. Oh, its natural, it must be better. See also: Dihydrogen monoxide and its lethal effects. Its a "chemical" therefore its unhealthy.

Some foods are in fact healthier cooked, like potatoes, which have poisonous solanine in their skin. Plus you cant digest them raw anyway.

 

[ShawnD1]

God yes. People who think raw food is somehow healthier than cooked food are just idiots. Oh, its natural, it must be better. See also: Dihydrogen monoxide and its lethal effects. Its a "chemical" therefore its unhealthy.

lol. I thought the whole point of cooking food was to kill the bacteria on them. Some things actually have quite a bit of bacteria until you cook them.

 

[Brainonska511]

lol. I thought the whole point of cooking food was to kill the bacteria on them. Some things actually have quite a bit of bacteria until you cook them.

It's not just to kill bacteria. Cooking stuff breaks down some of the fibrous material you can't digest which helps release some nutrients when you eat the product.