[VC]NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 980 SLI, GTX 970, 3DMark performance

[Paul98]

Seriously, stop comparing GM204 to Tonga.
GM204 will be around 60% faster than a GTX770 while using less power.

R9 285 is as fast and uses as much power as the r9 280. So there is no progression in opposite to GM204.

Even if nVidia sold GM204 for much less AMD would always lower prices much more.

If you want to compare the 980 to the 770, then you need to compare the 285 to something around the 265.

 

[96Firebird]

Low price isn't some magical requirement for an HTPC, people tend to spend more money on their home theater system than a desktop gaming computer. What people want in a HTPC setup is low noise, low temperature, and compatibility with all the other components. With the new cards coming in at such low (rumored) TDP, noise and temperature tend to follow behind, especially with the Titan cooler. Coupled with that low TDP comes performance, supposedly one of (if not the) best single-GPU cards out there. Lower power requirements means a fanless PSU is possible.

Sure, you could use a 295x2 for an HTPC. Why not? Might be a tight squeeze in an HTPC case, but doable. Fanless PSU is questionable. That extra power is converted into heat, remember, and heat is not HTPC friendly.

HDMI 2.0 is a great addition to these cards, but for HTPC the receiver also needs to be HDMI 2.0 compatible. These are pretty new, so unless the receiver is wired for sound only, it would be required for the HDMI 2.0 4K TVs.

 

[MathMan]

If you want to compare the 980 to the 770, then you need to compare the 285 to something around the 265.

GM204-GK104: 32% difference in die size.
285-265: 65% difference in die size.

After the dust settles and gm200 take the top spot, gm204 will take over the gk104 market segment. 285 and 265 play in different leagues.

 

[tviceman]

No way, 15% or even 20% over 780TI for 4K is a drop in the bucket. We need a single GPU = 290X in CF for a real 4K gaming breakthrough. A single 980 will do little for 4K gaming overall since you can't even get 60 fps at 4K with dual 290Xs overclocked..

Sorry I didn't clarify my comment. I was refering to the fears of performance degredation / poor scaling at 4k vs. the higher bandwidth GK110. In that regard, people need to STFU, quit jumping to conclusions, and wait for official reviews / analysis before they rev up their spin machines.

 

[Termie]

I think Termie was also making the point for HDMI 2.0 as well. There will be a slew of cheap 4K HDMI 2.0 TV's on sale around the Holidays, which would make a GTX 980 a decent option for an HTPC. It has official HDMI 2.0 support, low power consumption, and should handle most less demanding games @ 4K/60Hz with some settings turned down.

This.

In short order, the number of 4K TV owners will probably be orders of magnitude higher than the number of 4K display owners. The lack of any high-quality (uncompressed color, 60hz) method to display 4K PC images on TVs has been a huge issue up until now.

For that and other reasons, it's a game-changer. Anyone who says otherwise has not attempted to run a 780 Ti in an HTPC case. 250W does not equal 165W in this situation, and equal coolers do not mean equal temperatures or equal noise. And of course, the 290/X doesn't even fit in most HTPC cases, so AMD has no high-powered HTPC solution right now.

 

[Paul98]

GM204-GK104: 32% difference in die size.
285-265: 65% difference in die size.

After the dust settles and gm200 take the top spot, gm204 will take over the gk104 market segment. 285 and 265 play in different leagues.

What do you think the 285 was supposed to replace? It's the same size as the 280, after a shrink it's going to be much smaller than the 280. A long with less memory and less memory bandwidth along with the same performance. It sure as hell wasn't going to replace the 280 or 280x after a shrink. It was going to replace something like the 265 270.

Just as the 980 should have replaced the 770.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think Termie was also making the point for HDMI 2.0 as well. There will be a slew of cheap 4K HDMI 2.0 TV's on sale around the Holidays, which would make a GTX 980 a decent option for an HTPC. It has official HDMI 2.0 support, low power consumption, and should handle most less demanding games @ 4K/60Hz with some settings turned down.

That's my point too: at 4K where GPU power is critical, a $600 980 would stand no chance against $700 290s. So it can't possibly be a good option for 4K gaming. And naturally if you have to use Medium settings at 4K, it's going to look worse than Ultra at 1080p/1440. Most importantly 4K gaming in the living room is an oxymoron at the moment unless you have an 70+ inch 4K TV. Videophiles actually say that sitting 10 feet away you won't resolve all extra detail than a 1080p HDTV without an 84 inch TV. 70-84 inch 4K TVs cost an arm and a leg!!!

 

[Termie]

That's my point too: at 4K where GPU power is critical, a $600 980 would stand no chance against $700 290s. So it can't possibly be a good option for 4K gaming. And naturally if you have to use Medium settings at 4K, it's going to look worse than Ultra at 1080p/1440. Most importantly 4K gaming in the living room is an oxymoron at the moment unless you have an 70+ inch 4K TV. Videophiles actually say that sitting 10 feet away you won't resolve all extra detail than a 1080p HDTV without an 84 inch TV. 70-84 inch 4K TVs cost an arm and a leg!!!

I don't think you've seen 4K content on a TV, frankly. It's is not a subtle difference, and no, you don't need an 70" TV to see it. And are you actually suggesting that 290 Crossfire is a reasonable HTPC solution?

Some of your criticisms of the 970/980 are warranted. For a high-end gaming tower hooked up to a 4K monitor, yes, 290CF is a better solution than a 980. But in attacking my comment on HTPC use, you're really at the edge of reason.

 

[wand3r3r]

Sorry I didn't clarify my comment. I was refering to the fears of performance degredation / poor scaling at 4k vs. the higher bandwidth GK110. In that regard, people need to STFU, quit jumping to conclusions, and wait for official reviews / analysis before they rev up their spin machines.

It's not hard to speculate that the exact same bus as last gen mid-range is a bottleneck. It was already demonstrated that 6->7 GHz memory was beneficial (ie. a bottleneck on GK104), now tweak it and add 50% (?) performance on the core is certainly interesting to see how it performs. How they have alleviated that, we don't know much less is it enough. Why you are adamant that it shouldn't be discussed is a little strange. It's not spin to try speculate on that. On the other hand, all the market speak trying to justify potential price increases based on lower tdp (a few $/year electric difference) seems a lot more like spin.

Then again, they have shown they don't care about pricing and will bleed the uninformed dry, especially with the titan and the titanic-z.

All I can say is I hope they have alleviated the memory concerns, especially if they are raising prices yet again. Hopefully it's 50% faster than the 780 ti so we can get some forward progress.

 

[96Firebird]

All I can say is I hope they have alleviated the memory concerns, especially if they are raising prices yet again. Hopefully it's 50% faster than the 780 ti so we can get some forward progress.

Other interesting technology is Third Generation Delta Color Compression. This technology will help increase memory efficiency, which is definitely required with 256b interface.

Source

Still a rumor at this time, but something to consider.

Not sure if you really expect 50% better than 780 Ti, but don't hold your breath.

 

[JohnWayne74]

Guys I have a 670- going from a 670 to a 980 for me is going to be a HUGE jump, thoughts?

 

[Mondozei]

Seriously, stop comparing GM204 to Tonga.
GM204 will be around 60% faster than a GTX770 while using less power.

R9 285 is as fast and uses as much power as the r9 280. So there is no progression in opposite to GM204.

2 points.

First, you just said people shouldn't compare them - and then ahead and did it. Cognitive dissonance?

Second, the 285 was deliberately downclocked and gimped to reach the same performance/price level while using far less power. Tonga's jury is still out.

Also the 980 should be compared to the 780, not the 770, which is why Nvidia named it the 980. Nice try, though.

980 is supposed to last until Pascal or 2 years+.

No to neither. Pascal is 2016. 2015 is going to be 20 nm Maxwell.

This is just a bridge card.

 

[wand3r3r]

Source

Still a rumor at this time, but something to consider.

Not sure if you really expect 50% better than 780 Ti, but don't hold your breath.

I saw that, but then I saw this and had to chuckle.

NVIDIA Maxwell GM204 has some cool features like Dynamic Super Resolution, which is basically new upscaling technology advertised as ‘4k Quality on a 1080p display’.

Wow! Now you don't even need a 4k display.
Maybe we should go back to 960 x 540 and use this "technique" to get "1080p quality"! Now I don't even need to get a 4k display anymore!

What's next, 8k on 1080p so we never need a new display?

/sarcasm (both companies have ridiculous marketing)

That page actually sounds like maxwell will have a few improvements, which is really needs to compete especially at high resolutions. It's hard to know what those will actually mean or do when they have marketing points like 4k on 1080p screens.

 

[wand3r3r]

2 points.

First, you just said people shouldn't compare them - and then ahead and did it. Cognitive dissonance?

Second, the 285 was deliberately downclocked and gimped to reach the same performance/price level while using far less power. Tonga's jury is still out.

Also the 980 should be compared to the 780, not the 770, which is why Nvidia named it the 980. Nice try, though.



No to neither. Pascal is 2016. 2015 is going to be 20 nm Maxwell.

This is just a bridge card.

We don't know when they will get 20nm AFAIK. We've been hearing in 6 months forever so I'll believe it when I see it.

If GK104->maxwell grew by 30%+, they might need 20nm to even make a reasonable sized 780ti/290x successor.

 

[96Firebird]

It's hard to know what those will actually mean or do when they have marketing points like 4k on 1080p screens.

Yup, that is why I am waiting for reviews before full judgement.

Are they still slated for tomorrow?

 

[Termie]

Yup, that is why I am waiting for reviews before full judgement.

Are they still slated for tomorrow?

Wasn't it the 18th (Thursday)? Coinciding with Nvidia's 24-hour event: http://game24.nvidia.com/info

Specifically says 6pm PDT start time.

 

[96Firebird]

Oh yeah, forgot about that event.

Somewhere earlier in the thread it was rumored the 17th, now I have to wait another day!

 

[SirPauly]

That page actually sounds like maxwell will have a few improvements, which is really needs to compete especially at high resolutions. It's hard to know what those will actually mean or do when they have marketing points like 4k on 1080p screens.

I think it's neat to potentially have official and supported tools to improve the experience for the most popular resolution. It's these kinds of gaming experience abilities that create the loyal customer base and creates brand awareness, imho.

 

[FatherMurphy]

Per Videocardz: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications, the unveiling is set to occur September 19. Don't know if review sites will be able to post reviews before then or not.

 

[Vesku]

Per Videocardz: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications, the unveiling is set to occur September 19. Don't know if review sites will be able to post reviews before then or not.

Friday releases are usually done to minimize coverage. =S

 

[JohnWayne74]

Per Videocardz: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-final-specifications, the unveiling is set to occur September 19. Don't know if review sites will be able to post reviews before then or not.

If the reveal is the 19th, they will not be allowed to post scores.

 

[Enigmoid]

Here is a GM107 vs. GK107 comparison.

http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/gtx-860m-vs-gtx-850m/
http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/gt-750m-gddr5-vs-gt-750m-ddr3-gaming-performance-tested/

Difference between the 860m (5 ghz GDDR5) and the 850m (2 Ghz DDR3).

The 860m has 2.5x the bandwidth (80 GB/s vs. 32 GB/s).

The performance difference (using notebookcheck numbers) averages 38%.

The 750m GDDR5 (5 ghz effective) vs. DDR3 (1.8 ghz effective) averages 58%.
However GM107 has moved the performance bar about 80% clock for clock.

An 80% performance bump at the same bandwidth yet the bandwidth dependence has decreased. Maxwell should have no problem providing 780Ti performance at 2/3 the bandwidth.

Edit: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

 

[Rvenger]

I really hope the GTX 970 comes the same day as the 980. I may buy one to play with. It will give me a good excuse to go to microcenter this weekend.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Mobile Maxwell get a huuuge boost over previous cards. Doesnt do too bad against the top desktop chips either. Only 4% from GTX 780

GTX 880M

GTX 980M

Desktop chips

 

[skipsneeky2]

The 980 looks to be a obvious 680/770 replacement more then a 780 ti killer. Most 4k gamers are most likely running 6gb 780/780ti cards in sli so going back to 4gb isn't a win.