VC&G Community Poll Request (mod-sponsored)

VC&G thread-title policy should be:

  • Require thread titles to cite the source of the info used in the thread title

  • No change in the current thread-title citation policy


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Idontcare

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Hello VC&G forum members and community at large,

The topic of noting the source of information in a thread's title is very much a reoccurring theme in this forum.

We have a recent example of this on our first page, but the response on behalf of the community is neither new nor unique to the existence of this thread.

The community sentiment has long been simmering in the background in regards to citing, or the lack thereof, the 3rd party source of information that is stated/presented as if it were established fact in the thread's title.

In an effort to better understand how the community here would like to have VC&G thread-titles managed regarding the statement of apparent facts originating from rumored-to-be-true 3rd party links, your VC&G Moderator Team would appreciate your feedback in the poll above as well as by posting your inputs and feedback in a post below. :)

Note: The poll is intentionally a public poll, we feel the topic of guideline amendments is important enough of a topic as to warrant a degree of accountability and formally going on record as having voted up or down (or lack of voting altogether) will only help to diffuse innuendo and suspicion going forward. This is your community and your forum, own it with pride.

Thanks in advance for your time and effort in making sure your voice is heard by voting in the poll! :thumbsup:

Your VC&G Moderator Staff,
BFG10K, Markfw900, and Idontcare


============ tl;dr Cliffs ============

What is being proposed in the poll here is to either leave the existing guideline regarding thread-title contents "as is" or to adopt an amendment that would require thread-titles to communicate the source of the information being stated in the thread title.


============ Examples ============

For example, instead of posting this "GTX595 runs at 950 core" the guideline would be amended to set the expectation that the thread OP note the source of the info if in fact the source is a 3rd party link, like this "FUDz: GTX595 runs at 950 core".


=========== Enforcement ===========

The specific implementation of the source citation would be up to the thread starter, the mods aren't interested in micro-managing the specific edification of the thread titles, merely interested in establishing a policy regarding them per the community's wishes and then enforcing that policy with the least amount of effort required on our behalf. (can you blame us? :p)

Obviously there will be mod-discretion in play in regards to how the policy will be enforced, if adopted we naturally want the result to be a net positive for all involved, info is power and we would hope more info only helps to empower members to make more fruitful decisions in regards to their posting behaviors and approach.

Variations in how thread-starters fulfill the requirement of citing the source of the info contained in the thread-title would be tolerated and expected.


======= Expiration/Trial-Period =======

If an amendment is adopted, the moderation team here recognizes this type of guideline is very much specific to the existing "community culture" and that this culture changes and evolves over time as members themselves change their viewpoints in addition to the community ranks growing with new members.

In the spirit of accommodating this reality the moderators intend to make the guideline policy amendment, as proposed in the poll, to be in effect for 3 months by having the policy expire 3 months from the date that it goes live.

After the 3month trial-period we would have another community poll to determine if the community still wants to keep the policy or if the community changed its mind based on the experience generated while the policy was in effect.
 

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Lifer
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Whats the difference if the source is inside the thread or in the title?

You mods need to stop giving in to a bunch of crybabies with a obvious agenda.
Whats next do we have to do our own investigating to see if the source is reliable?
 

DaveSimmons

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I support this for the same reason I supported the GTX 460 850 mhz FTW in the 68xx review thread: more information is almost always better.

If the thread title must list the source of (often wild and unreliable) rumors, those who object to that source can just skip the thread without feeling like they were tricked into reading the thread's first post.

I wouldn't mind if it was even a little stronger and required "rumor" in the title, e.g.
Blotz rumor: AMD 69xx cards emit deadly gamma rays
 

nitromullet

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Whats the difference if the source is inside the thread or in the title?

It lets me know at a glance if I want to click on the thread.

For instance if I see something like "Chiphell - GTX 595 pics/pricing", I'll probably click on it. Alternately, if I see something like "S/A (Charlie) - AMD to buy NVIDIA for pennies on the dollar!", I probably won't.
 

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Lifer
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I support this for the same reason I supported the GTX 460 850 mhz FTW in the 68xx review thread: more information is almost always better.

If the thread title must list the source of (often wild and unreliable) rumors, those who object to that source can just skip the thread without feeling like they were tricked into reading the thread's first post.

I wouldn't mind if it was even a little stronger and required "rumor" in the title, e.g.
Blotz rumor: AMD 69xx cards emit deadly gamma rays

Well that kills most forums. Why read anything but reviews and help questions then?

"disclamer" this thread contains all facts that you can read in a review, there are no opinions,rumors,guesses and other things that make a forum interesting.......
 
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DaveSimmons

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People will still click on rumor threads when they want to, they'll just know in advance that it isn't reliable information.
 

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Lifer
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It lets me know at a glance if I want to click on the thread.

When I put my cursor over the thread title it does that. I read it before I click.
So are you saying your in a hurry and it saves you time?

Whay not just ban all news sites in the forum? That makes it even easier?
 

OCGuy

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Doesnt posting the link in the OP serve the same purpose?

Are people getting that angry about having to click a thread to see the source?


I don't care if it changes or not, as long as it is enforced equally.
 

DaveSimmons

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When I put my cursor over the thread title it does that. I read it before I click.
So are you saying your in a hurry and it saves you time?

Only if we require the first sentence of the post to start with something like:

Blotz rumor: nvidia using human stem cells for self-healing GPUs ...

Whay not just ban all news sites in the forum? That makes it even easier?

False dilemma. This is just a rule for people who don't like reading rumors that aren't clearly posted as such. It makes "teaser" titles less effective but that's fine with me.
 

Idontcare

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Doesnt posting the link in the OP serve the same purpose?

Are people getting that angry about having to click a thread to see the source?

(posting as a member)

I believe the issue has many facets, but one that is of consideration is the question of whether or not posting information as if it were fact in a thread title when the source of that information is questionable (a subjective threshold) is tantamount to posting misinformation.

This question would be mitigated if the publication source of the info was cited plainly in the thread title, then there would be no question of "says who?" popping up all the time.

That is my perception on it. I personally don't mind referencing the source of the thread's contents in the thread title, if you search for thread's I have started as a member you can confirm this to be true.

Not that I feel it should be made a guideline just because that is how I post, but from experience of posting threads in a manner that would already comply with the proposed guideline I can say firsthand it does not undermine the forum nor does it reduce the value-add to the community.

(posting as a member)
 
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Idontcare

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I don't care if it changes or not, as long as it is enforced equally.

To whatever degree that you can currently trust your moderators to be fair in enforcing all the other posting guidelines of the community, you can rest assured we will enforce this one (if adopted by the community) with fairness and equality as well.

Moderator Idontcare
 

Wreckage

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2 things.

1.)Is this for every thread posted or just "rumor sites".
2.)Is this in response to people who complained about a Fudzilla article, who don't generally complain about "semi-accurate" articles?

I don't care (pun intended) either way. I just find the timing amusing. Seems like more work for the mods, not such a big deal for the rest of us. :\
 

nitromullet

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When I put my cursor over the thread title it does that. I read it before I click.
So are you saying your in a hurry and it saves you time?

Whay not just ban all news sites in the forum? That makes it even easier?

Why would you want to ban all news sites from the forum? That isn't even remotely what this new rule is proposing. You assume that people don't want to read any rumors, which I don't think is true.

Knowing the source before I click on the thread allows me to prioritize which rumors I want to read. Plus not everyone reads the forums on a PC. Sometimes I'm on my phone and I access the forums via http://atforums.mobi which doesn't have the mouse over feature.

Is it really that much to ask that someone indicate the source of their information in the thread title? I'm just not really seeing where the hardship or issue is here. A thread tile should be as concise as possible regardless of the nature of the thread IMO. By requiring that rumors be sourced, AT would simply be mandating a certain level of conciseness.
 

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Lifer
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as long as it is enforced equally

This is a good indication of why we are even having this poll.

I think these card companies PR teams don't like the google hits the titles of these threads get. What other good reason for the rule change? To make it easier to sort through the FUD? BS. It's been that way for 11 years that I know.

This should be a mod decision on a case per case basis. I don't think its too hard to tell the real rumors from the credible ones.
Changing rules everytime a certain dozen people pm each other, and complain by reporting a thread, shows a lack of leadership.





OK I don't want to start handing out infractions here, but I will.
You are perilously close to calling out the mods here. We are giving the membership a chance to speak up. This is not the "happy medium" thread. Catch my drift???????

You made you feelings known on the subject and you do not need to respond to every comment that every poster is making here. As a matter of fact. Stop. We want to hear what the other have to say


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Lifer
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Why would you want to ban all news sites from the forum? That isn't even remotely what this new rule is proposing.

It seems if you get enough complaints from crybabies,you can change any rule. whats next?

Hey, they even cried enough about a gtx460 ftw card in a review to get a response from the author.
It seems some people have to grow a set of them or this forum and its reviewers might just as well let the card companies PR people write there own articles and mod this forum.
 

nitromullet

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It seems if you get enough complaints from crybabies,you can change any rule. whats next?

Hey, they even cried enough about a gtx460 ftw card in a review to get a response from the author.
It seems some people have to grow a set of them or this forum and its reviewers might just as well let the card companies PR people write there own articles and mod this forum.

Well, people aren't always going to agree, so let them voice their opinions.

Aside from the fact that this proposed rule came about because of a thread you were apparently involved in, you still haven't shown why/how it's a bad idea. I just cannot see any negative aspects to having people post the source of their info in the title.
 

Nintendesert

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I can't see why anyone would not want to cite the source of the information in the thread title. Citing the source of information is one of the most basic practices in academics and journalism.

The only reason I can see that someone wouldn't want to cite the source of information is if they are purposefully trying to mislead the readership.
 

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Lifer
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I can't see why anyone would not want to cite the source of the information in the thread title. Citing the source of information is one of the most basic practices in academics and journalism.

The only reason I can see that someone wouldn't want to cite the source of information is if they are purposefully trying to mislead the readership.

I cant see why anyone would care enough to try and change it. Its been this way for 11 years.
 

WelshBloke

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You can probably find sites to back up any rumour you want, the internet is a big and weird place.

I think this would be a good thing (the change to citing sources), you can still post rumours but its not going to annoy other members as much. Remember, none of us own this place, its a communal area, and if people aren't going to be considerate then its their fault when rules are made.

Fact is if you try to wind up the other members then don't cry when action is taken.


Disclaimer: the 'you' in this post is not aimed at anyone in particular.
 

BoomerD

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To whatever degree that you can currently trust your moderators to be fair in enforcing all the other posting guidelines of the community, you can rest assured we will enforce this one (if adopted by the community) with fairness and equality as well.

Moderator Idontcare

<shudder>
Being a regular in Off Topic and a more-than-occasional visitor to P&N, "fair in enforcing all other posting guidelines" is a strange concept to me...I don't think I've ever seen such a thing...:p

BUT, at the same time, the mods are USUALLY far from being over-zealous in their moderation...so I don't see it as a problem as long as the fanboi's can be kept in their place. (there's nothing wrong with favoring one GPU manufacturer, CPU manufacturer, football team, etc. over one of the competition, just be civil about it and accept that other people may have differing opinions...even if they are wrong)

As for the topic at hand, IMO, as long as the link is posted in the thread, instead of merely being mentioned, should be good enough...but I'll abide by whatever rule is forced down my throat...I mean...decided would be the best for the community.
 

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Lifer
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<shudder>
Being a regular in Off Topic and a more-than-occasional visitor to P&N, "fair in enforcing all other posting guidelines" is a strange concept to me...I don't think I've ever seen such a thing...:p

BUT, at the same time, the mods are USUALLY far from being over-zealous in their moderation...so I don't see it as a problem as long as the fanboi's can be kept in their place. (there's nothing wrong with favoring one GPU manufacturer, CPU manufacturer, football team, etc. over one of the competition, just be civil about it and accept that other people may have differing opinions...even if they are wrong)

As for the topic at hand, IMO, as long as the link is posted in the thread, instead of merely being mentioned, should be good enough...but I'll abide by whatever rule is forced down my throat...I mean...decided would be the best for the community.

You said it better then me.
 
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