Vast Independent Majority

[MotF Bane]

If there was no difference between the parties this country wouldn't be so polarized over politics.

Politics has become a show. Each party sings a tune, dances a little bit, and tries to spin themselves. The Republicans will claim small government, fiscal responsibility, low taxes, and freedom. When in power, as we have seen recently, they expand the government, piss away money, and take civil rights. The Democrats will claim to look out for the little guy, help with domestic problems, and expand civil rights. As we can see now, they are just as much bought and paid for by corporations and interests as the R's, and have done nothing to expand civil rights (Patriot Act, body scanners, et cetera). Really, there isn't a difference. Both parties, no matter there claims, continue to spend money that we don't have, make the government larger, and take away freedoms and rights from both States and people. It's just a question of what color lipstick you want on the pig.

When they create a fiscally conservative / socially liberal party you can sign me up! Until then I'll stick with the (D)'s because I think I like their version of freedumb more than the (R)'s version of freedumb. :biggrin:

If you're voting for either of the big two parties, you're part of the problem. The closest thing we have now for fiscally conservative and socially liberal is the libertarian party. Even if you would like to argue that their ideas are untenable with globalization, they are a step in the right direction, and can't be any worse than what we have now.

 

[MotF Bane]

There's some truth to this, but there's also truth to the two sides - especially the right - having 'differences' hyped up by demonizing the other side, the way two rabid sports team fans think they're 'different'.

You almost had a true and accurate statement, which would certainly be a novelty for you, but you blew it. How sad.

He didn't say nuts who want to remove the power of the people to stand up to concentrated power and to ruin the country with dysfunctional utopian ideology resulting a return to plutocratic tyranny.

Nuts who want to remove the power of the people? Your twisted ideology of continually expanding the government's power is the best example we have of those who want to remove the power of the people. Stop just pulling buzzwords off your daily bulletin of talking points, and try thinking for yourself.

 

[Danube]

- Abortion, in general, should be safe, legal, and rare.. according to a majority of Americans.

- Nearly 75% of Americans say homosexuals should be able to serve openly in the military.

- A majority believe homosexual couples should have the opportunity to have some or most of the legal benefits associated with marriage.

- Increasing numbers of people are dropping their religious affiliations (and remaining just "spiritual"), belonging to more than one religious faith, or identifying as agnostic/Atheist.

Close to 80% of people describe themselves as Christians.

Only 30% of military wants open homosexuality in the military - and they are the ones that count in this debate.

Homosexual marriage loses every time it's voted on - including the most liberal states. Blacks and other minorities are growing increasingly angry about being compared to homosexuals and about 70% of them are against it.

http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/02/usa-today-spins-military-poll-about.html

 

[jhu]

If there was no difference between the parties this country wouldn't be so polarized over politics.

It's mostly marketing.

 

[Craig234]

Close to 80% of people describe themselves as Christians.

Only 30% of military wants open homosexuality in the military - and they are the ones that count in this debate.

Homosexual marriage loses every time it's voted on - including the most liberal states. Blacks and other minorities are growing increasingly angry about being compared to homosexuals and about 70% of them are against it.

http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/02/usa-today-spins-military-poll-about.html

I haven't seen the poll you citre on the military, but it's not only them that matter in the debate. They don't have the right to have their bigotry enacted in to policy.

You greatly misrepresent the situation gay marriage by cherry picking that one claim - gay marriage has been steadily increasing in public support, now enjoys strong majority support among young voters in a large majority of states, and is predicted to be passed by more and more states. And for example, while CA voted against it in a close election by a far smaller margin than it had before, that was only after millions poured in from right-wing funding outside the state that reversed polls long showing majority support.

Blacks who are angry at the comparison on civil rights are wrong on this. They are bigots. Blacks have a higher rate of anti-gay bigotry than other races. It doesn't prove anything on the merits.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He didn't say nuts who want to remove the power of the people to stand up to concentrated power and to ruin the country with dysfunctional utopian ideology resulting a return to plutocratic tyranny.

Sounds a lot like people who want to hand power to the government so we can have a dysfunctional utopia resulting in totalitarian tyranny.

Pick your dictators, not theirs eh?

 

[zsdersw]

Close to 80% of people describe themselves as Christians.

Not really.. http://www.examiner.com/x-7312-Miam...-as-Jews-Christians-other-organized-religions

Only 30% of military wants open homosexuality in the military - and they are the ones that count in this debate.

Actually, they're not the only ones who count.

Homosexual marriage loses every time it's voted on - including the most liberal states. Blacks and other minorities are growing increasingly angry about being compared to homosexuals and about 70% of them are against it.

I didn't say "marriage" I said the benefits; benefits that can be provided without using the term "marriage". There's plenty of polling that indicates aversion to assigning the term "marriage" to homosexual unions, not denying the rights and benefits.

 

[Infohawk]

Our electoral system makes a third party unlikely. I could see this growing group taking over one of the other parties though. Oddly, it seems like whichever party adopted the OP's platform would probably steamroll the other. But the bases of each party are fighting against the OP platform.

On the right you have the fundies. On the left you have Craig234 democrats. Overall, I think the Democrats are more likely to drop their big government leanings sooner than fundies will disappear. There are new generations of fundies whereas people like Craig234 are getting older and dying.

Clinton tried to start the shift towards a more fiscally conservative democratic party (welfare reform,etc) but Obama has not really taken the baton. The result is that Dems may be thrown out yet again and replaced with fundies. Meanwhile, this growing group of libertarians-light are not being represented.