[Various]Radeon Fury X and Radeon Fury coming

[DownTheSky]

Can confirm. I have 2x 280x in CFX, not even 290, and it's smooth as butter when it works.

I have other pb though, like image flashing with SMAA in witcher 3 and other games.

 

[guskline]

Love my 2 R9 290s in CF, and more than that, I love the fact I got them both for under $300 per card some time ago.

I must confess the GTX980TI sure looks tempting but want to see what AMD brings to the table.

 

[boozzer]

There's actually quite alot of people that's selling their 980 or 970 SLI to upgrade to single 980 Ti. Reasons? Can't stand the stutters on their SLI setups on some games.
I read their complaints on another forum local to my country.

While I never heard much about people complaining about CFX stutters (290 series), only CFX aren't supported complaints.

this is what keeps the nvidia boat afloat :\ they got shafted and still keep buying nv products :twisted: nv got them by the bells.

I just realized nv marketing just need to keep at it for a year or two and these customers of theirs would become the same as apple customers D: scary thought. in this case nv is actually supperior to apple because there is no app store and everything else that makes up the apple ecosystem to lock in the customers, it is 100% marketing. very very impressive. :twisted: nv really need to give out bonuses to their marketing department :thumbsup:

sorry for the ot, it was an eureka moment.

 

[boozzer]

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-06/directx-12-amd-radeon-feature-level-12-0-gcn/
http://www.hardware.fr/

Is the most used.

got some free time and did some reading. both of the german websites(one linked by hitman) are no good. they are thorough but still doesn't have what I need, they are the same as anandtech reviews. I will stick to the french one.

damn, so I am left with just 1 website again.

 

[Hitman928]

got some free time and did some reading. both of the german websites(one linked by hitman) are no good. they are thorough but still doesn't have what I need, they are the same as anandtech reviews. I will stick to the french one.

damn, so I am left with just 1 website again.

What are you looking for? For indepth analysis of architectures and such, I don't think either german site does that. The one I linked is more focused on how games perform whereas computerbase is more hardware focused. I use them both as testing references. If you want in depth analysis, unfortunately there isn't much of that any more.

 

[boozzer]

What are you looking for? For indepth analysis of architectures and such, I don't think either german site does that. The one I linked is more focused on how games perform whereas computerbase is more hardware focused. I use them both as testing references. If you want in depth analysis, unfortunately there isn't much of that any more.

they both used reference cards only in their reviews. non of them includes AIB versions, just like all of the american review sites. But the french one does. ex: in the 980 ti review. it has reference 980, 980 ti, AIB versions of both and the best of 290x in their reviews. which was exactly what I was looking for. it isn't perfect, but it is as good as it gets for what I want. perfect would be if it included 780 ti AIB n 290x reference numbers in their charts too.

 

[RussianSensation]

they both used reference cards only in their reviews. non of them includes AIB versions, just like all of the american review sites. But the french one does. ex: in the 980 ti review. it has reference 980, 980 ti, AIB versions of both and the best of 290x in their reviews. which was exactly what I was looking for. it isn't perfect, but it is as good as it gets for what I want. perfect would be if it included 780 ti AIB n 290x reference numbers in their charts too.

AnandTech is probably one of the least biased of all the top North American sites when it comes to GPU reviews. I do think they ripped R9 290 series too much and didn't do any testing on many after-market 7950/7970/R9 290 cards, but they claim AMD never sent them samples. Hard to blame them for that I guess.

TechSpot almost always exclusively switched to after-market models for AMD cards. They are from New Zealand I believe. Also, the owner is a straight shooter - he recommends i5 over i7 for most gaming rigs and I've never seen bias from him. He showed HD5800 series tanking in DX11 games with tessellation and the same for Kepler in modern games. He also values price/performance (unless some sites that threw this metric under the bus in favour of perf/watt) but recognizes the need for flagship cards and perf/watt cards for HTPC.

I also do like Sweclockers. Even though they test reference AMD cards, they run them in Uber mode and from time to time they do have reviews of specific after-market cards.

Hardware.fr and Computerbase.de often have some of the best testing for SKU specific AIB cards when it comes to noise levels and temperatures. Guru3D and TPU is also a great source for that but instead of doing round-ups, they compare SKUs individually.

For all of these sites, I look a the data but I don't let the editor's preferences sway me. For example, TechReport keeps hyping up Borderlands games and Project CARS, both that happen to be NV-sponsored games but the same site removed Dirt Showdown when it favoured AMD's cards, sighting how the advantage of Compute for global illumination is an unfair advantage for AMD, but ignoring how ProjectCARS was specifically developed ONLY on NV cards - basically ProjectNvidia or NvidiaCARS is what that game is. Sometimes obvious bias is obvious.

But yes, TechReport and PCPer were the first to push FCAT usage, PCPer even went as far as hiding the fact NV gave them the tool & told them to examine frame latency & runt frames.

^ Dirt Showdown removed from TR's testing. ProjectCARS is in it and promoted as the best racing game since sliced bread. How come that site is never "in the moment" with any AMD GE titles? Now expect to see Project CARS in every GPU review for 12-24 months from that site....

 

[boozzer]

just checked techspot 980 ti review and reference cards all over. so no. I don't buy reference cards ever, so they are useless to me. they are only useful for gamers who buy reference.

hardware.fr is what I will be using exclusively from now on. hopefully it will improve instead of getting bought out also.

 

[exar333]

just checked techspot 980 ti review and reference cards all over. so no. I don't buy reference cards ever, so they are useless to me. they are only useful for gamers who buy reference.

hardware.fr is what I will be using exclusively from now on. hopefully it will improve instead of getting bought out also.

Or people that can do simple math?

Reference comparisons are fine, as long as they are not comparing reference to non-reference and using correct profiles (labeling uber, etc.).

 

[swilli89]

Or people that can do simple math?

Reference comparisons are fine, as long as they are not comparing reference to non-reference and using correct profiles (labeling uber, etc.).

But why defend it? Just for arguments sake? For many generations "reference" was so rare you couldn't even find them in stores. For even more generations reference designs were horrible in very metric and just didn't represent what gamers actually bought.

Reference reviews are a holdover from when AIBs mainly slapped on stickers and served as distribution networks more so than true custom card builders.

 

[jackstar7]

As someone with a FT-02, I mostly want to see blower performance, and most AIB custom cards eschew that design.

And I think most people (read: non-enthusiasts) don't pay enough attention to design to note benefits over reference designs...

 

[boozzer]

if you buy 300$+ gpus you are an enthusiast, don't kid yourself. whether or not you care enough to do some research is another matter entirely.

 

[bystander36]

But why defend it? Just for arguments sake? For many generations "reference" was so rare you couldn't even find them in stores. For even more generations reference designs were horrible in very metric and just didn't represent what gamers actually bought.

Reference reviews are a holdover from when AIBs mainly slapped on stickers and served as distribution networks more so than true custom card builders.

If you are sampling a new reference card, for the sale of fair play, it makes sense to compare to other reference cards. You'd expect the same improvements for both cards when moved to non-reference models.

When you get a non-reference card, it makes sense to compare to non-reference cards. Ultimately, having both of the new sample and older cards is the best.

 

[jackstar7]

if you buy 300$+ gpus you are an enthusiast, don't kid yourself. whether or not you care enough to do some research is another matter entirely.

Plenty of consumers have more money than desire to understand what they're paying for.

Hence boutique builders still in business... somehow.

 

[tential]

But why defend it? Just for arguments sake? For many generations "reference" was so rare you couldn't even find them in stores. For even more generations reference designs were horrible in very metric and just didn't represent what gamers actually bought.

Reference reviews are a holdover from when AIBs mainly slapped on stickers and served as distribution networks more so than true custom card builders.

This seriously.

After reading boozers comments I'm going to use that site too. I don't care about reference numbers at all. It's why I don't like American sites. They use reference numbers, then use aib numbers only when it's convenient for them (or nvidia).

Sites that use the "No one send me a non reference model!" justification is just ridiculous. If my ad revenue doesn't pay for anything then I'll use adblock on your site from now on.

 

[swilli89]

If you are sampling a new reference card, for the sale of fair play, it makes sense to compare to other reference cards. You'd expect the same improvements for both cards when moved to non-reference models.

When you get a non-reference card, it makes sense to compare to non-reference cards. Ultimately, having both of the new sample and older cards is the best.

Agree with everything you said except for the bolded text. Sometimes an OEM's reference design is HORRIBLE. Actually pretty much every generation one or the other has had a bad one. You can't expect "the same improvements for both cards".

I do agree completely about reference vs reference and AIB vs AIB. More importantly, I postulate that they compare same time vs same time.

If one card has excellent AIB cards 6 months after and the other still only has reference available? Well in that situation you evaluate what is on the market at comparable price points. Because isn't that the point? To inform potential buyers? (Tech enthusiasts aside).

 

[bystander36]

Agree with everything you said except for the bolded text. Sometimes an OEM's reference design is HORRIBLE. Actually pretty much every generation one or the other has had a bad one. You can't expect "the same improvements for both cards".

I do agree completely about reference vs reference and AIB vs AIB. More importantly, I postulate that they compare same time vs same time.

If one card has excellent AIB cards 6 months after and the other still only has reference available? Well in that situation you evaluate what is on the market at comparable price points. Because isn't that the point? To inform potential buyers? (Tech enthusiasts aside).

You can expect the same or similar boosts, but like you said, it doesn't always happen. But until you see otherwise, you kind of need to start there. It is certainly more accurate than comparing a reference card to a non-reference card and it is only the fault of AMD or Nvidia if their reference designs suck.

 

[boozzer]

Plenty of consumers have more money than desire to understand what they're paying for.

Hence boutique builders still in business... somehow.

glad we are in agreement :thumbsup:

about those sellers. I would 100% recommend them to relatives and friends. when they have problems they can easily call up the free 24/7 support without bothering me.

 

[MrTeal]

Plenty of consumers have more money than desire to understand what they're paying for.

Hence boutique builders still in business... somehow.

Some people don't want to deal with building a system. It's not necessarily that someone doesn't understand what they're paying for, some people just want a nice system and will pay for the service of having it assembled rather than doing it themselves. I could save $20 cutting my own hair too, but I'd rather just pay the cash and save the 1/2 hour and the frustration, along with the potential to screw something up.

 

[Silverforce11]

^ Dirt Showdown removed from TR's testing. ProjectCARS is in it and promoted as the best racing game since sliced bread. How come that site is never "in the moment" with any AMD GE titles? Now expect to see Project CARS in every GPU review for 12-24 months from that site....

That and FCAT shilling made TechReport lose any credibility they had. But the question is will it affect them? With the market heavily in NV's dominance, these shill sites end up preaching to the choir..

 

[bystander36]

That and FCAT shilling made TechReport lose any credibility they had. But the question is will it affect them? With the market heavily in NV's dominance, these shill sites end up preaching to the choir..

I'm sorry, but using FCAT does not a shill make. It showed real problems with CF, and AMD made major improvements as a result. They showed the truth using it.

 

[96Firebird]

^ Dirt Showdown removed from TR's testing. ProjectCARS is in it and promoted as the best racing game since sliced bread. How come that site is never "in the moment" with any AMD GE titles? Now expect to see Project CARS in every GPU review for 12-24 months from that site....

Project CARS is a great racing game, I'm glad the reviewer is having fun with it. You can most definitely "get in the moment" with the helmet cam, one of the best views I've ever used in a racing game. The head focuses on the apex of the turn, it is an awesome feature.

A guy on my local car forum was raving about the game, he has a nice setup with wheel/pedals and the Oculus Rift. :thumbsup:

 

[Abwx]

I'm sorry, but using FCAT does not a shill make. It showed real problems with CF, and AMD made major improvements as a result. They showed the truth using it.

And currently they are lying by not using it...

So they are against the truth when it doesnt suit some interests.

 

[boozzer]

I'm sorry, but using FCAT does not a shill make. It showed real problems with CF, and AMD made major improvements as a result. They showed the truth using it.

you don't understand silver, he is saying the moment amd fixed their gpus, these review sites suddenly stop using FCAT in their reviews. get it yet?

 

[Silverforce11]

I'm sorry, but using FCAT does not a shill make. It showed real problems with CF, and AMD made major improvements as a result. They showed the truth using it.

You obviously were not aware. They pushed FCAT like its the next coming or revolution in gaming benchmarks. After AMD fixed CF smoothness, they stopped using it. When the 970/980 was released, they didn't even bother to examine SLI with FCAT... when other sites still did, to be consistent, they found SLI suffered horrible frame latency. Suddenly FCAT wasn't important anymore in their benchmarks.

TR is hypocritical* and inconsistent. That is NOT a good way to run a tech review site. Your credibility as a reviewer depends on your unbiased, consistent approach. It's like in news outlets, report the news unbiased or inject commentary, as soon as you do, you're a tabloid journalist. TR shilling makes them an NV marketing arm.

* They refused to bench Dirt Showdown because one AMD feature, DirectCompute Global Illumination ran poorly on NV. A feature that can be disabled. They said the game was heavily biased towards AMD so they cannot include it. They include Project Cars, even shoving it with glorious reviews, a game that heavily favors NV and doesn't have settings to disable for it to run better on AMD, like HairWorks or Global Illumination, the entire game was built around PhysX and runs like dog on everything except Maxwell 2.